People who were wrong about literally everything
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Were did Heidegger fuck up?
Marx and Freud are probably the two most discredited thinkers in the history of humanity
Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Cicero and Aquinas are okay.
Heildegger was a god damn nazi.
Anti-Science nazi obscurantist.
And rightly so.
ME, myself and I
I can see why Freud, since psychoanalysis has been rendered obsolete ages ago, but
>Marx
>discredited
lolno
>psychoanalysis has been rendered obsolete ages ago
Not in Europe.
He liked the underlying principles and got butthurt when confronted with how it ended. A bit like Chomski and Zizek who say some rather smart things but still hope for a commi utopia and woukd have rooted for the reds during the 70s. Still does it invalidate all his ideas?
> anti-science
He didnt believed in its validity or rejected it out of ethical reasons?
France isn't the entire Europe
t. European
This semen receptacle.
yea, economics is way more complicated than marx imagined.
incentives matter. a lot
This faggot.
But Europe doesn’t really matter anymore lol
It wont matter 2050 but at the moment it still matters a lot if you look at the economy.
any and all post war french "philosophers"
seriously, name one that wasnt a complete retard.
>Marx
>discredited
>lolno
Spotted the tankie.
They’re not discredited, they’re obsolete, there’s a difference.
Marx got the ball rolling on thinking about the way we organize labor, and Freud got us to think about mental issues as health problems. Later thinkers took these concepts and ran with them
CharLacan
There is a difference between a retard and a con man.
Marx constantly emphasized the importance of incentives. Have you actually read Das Kapital?
>Russian Jew butthurt that her family didn’t make out like bandits in the Bolshevik revolution
>got her college education in (((humanities))))
>moved to America, mooched off her family members while trying to break into Hollywood.
>fucked her career in the ass when she ratted on her colleagues to the house of Unamerican activities and fucked herself out of a professional network
>wrote shitty plotless novels where she predicted shale oil deposits would be the silver bullet to fix all the economic issues.
>mooched off of Nathaniel Brandon, who turned her ideas into a cult/business, and was the brain behind the scenes. She chucked her husband with him.
>pitched the mother of all bitch fits when she discovered that Brandon had a third, younger hottie on the side, disowning him over the most petty bullshit imaginable, took over the business and promptly ran it into the ground.
>retired, lived off the social safety net she spent her career attacking. Defiantly smoked cigarettes her entire life until every doctor she went to told her that her lung cancer was caused by tobacco.
And that’s on top of the fedora atheism, the pointless veneration of “reason” (as defined by Ayn Rand, of course), her naive trust in human selfishness, her shitty taste in overromancitized art, and her shitty political beliefs that rich white people are the world’s most oppressed minority
>A bit like Chomski and Zizek who say some rather smart things but still hope for a commi utopia and woukd have rooted for the reds during the 70s
Chomsky strongly opposed Marxist-Leninist regimes and Zizek was liberal democratic dissident under socialist Yugoslavia. Both of them celebrated the fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc.
Some people think all Marx did was related to communism, and since they consider communism wrong, they think that Marx was wrong about everything.
But Zizek does not believe in dinosaurs.
It’s funny because Marx wrote comparatively few things on communism and socialism. He was more focused on criticizing capitalism rather than presenting any concrete alternative to it.
He was right about the quickest way to defeat France. [spoiler]And he was right about the Jews.[/spoiler]
>Some people think all Marx did was related to communism, and since they consider communism wrong, they think that Marx was wrong about everything.
All he did was bitch and whine about capitalism and the very few solutions he did offer created more fucked up issues than capitalism did. I used to agree on him with religion until I can to the conclusion that secularization made religion non-oppressive. I would also chose Christian bullshit over Jewish degeneracy any day.
>rather than presenting any concrete alternative to it.
he literally did that
>concrete alternative
No he didn't.
he did
Jordan Memeterson
You mean that shit that doesn't work that you dumb asses keep wanting to try?
Marx didn’t exactly advocate Soviet-type economic planning.
>Marx didn’t exactly advocate Soviet-type economic planning.
Yes, but communism doesn't exist without the state and every movement will turn into a Soviet-style cluster fuck.
>every movement will turn into a Soviet-style cluster fuck.
not really
Yes it will but please tell, I want to hear your retardation on why your communism is different from all the other retarded iterations of communism.
>Yes it will
not necessarily
>why your communism is different from all the other retarded iterations of communism.
>your
"my" communism is regular communism, USSR at the core was barely more communistic than USA, communism only in the name.
He advocated the workers seize the means of production, which logically can only be done by a workers state, which henceforth would plan the economy. He didn't advocate for a super bureaucratic, chauvinist, with unrealistic expectations planned economy which is what the SU had.
>China becomes the world's largest economy and overtakes the US
>Marx discredited
Choose one.
This.
>communism doesn't exist without the state
What? A communist society is by definition stateless.
Zizek doesn't believe in anything. He's that based.
>He advocated the workers seize the means of production, which logically can only be done by a workers state, which henceforth would plan the economy.
Workers can own and control the means of production while also voluntarily exchanging goods and services in a free market. That’s what market socialism is about.
China is not Marxist
Ummm yeah it is. The state rose out of a peasants and workers revolution and owns the most important sectors of the economy. It's like the USSR during the NEP phase.
But what's securing their ownership of the Mop, and what established it in the first place? The bourgeoisie didn't hand it over voluntarily. Every socialistic country was founded by a revolution.
Nice revisionism and reinterpretation of Marxism.
China still has a very low standard of living. It is so powerful primarily because it has the largest population in the world.
It's Marxist but isn't in the socialism mode of production. It can't be done in one country.
Not an argument
>What? A communist society is by definition stateless.
Brainlet detected.
>State:
A nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
>Government:
The governing body of a nation, state, or community.
>Tax
Make heavy demands on (someone's powers or resources).
Collectivism can't be stateless that's an oxymoron.
>Workers can own and control the means of production while also voluntarily exchanging goods and services in a free market.
What is the stock market & investment banking?
>That’s what market socialism is about.
You just explained capitalism.
At least the pic you posted was on topic.
this, we got blitzed to heaven. afaic, his ideology was 100% utter shit: "Muh pure blood, no race mixing please :'( ", like /pol/ shitpostung but on a bigger scale.
Not many workers actually own stock or shares though.
For (you).
How isn't it? They are ostensibly trying to get to the point of socialism but can't because most of the country lacks the development prerequisite.
China is one of the best examples of a commie country going "haha no but seriously guys we need wealth, and let's be honest..."
>China
>commie
nice memes
>Be Hitler
>Rant about "muh Semitic fifth column"
>You wars lead to the death of countless Europeans and to the demise of Europe as a global power
>Be E1b1b
MY SIDES
Having a command economy doesn’t make your country communist. Contemporary China isn’t less socialist or communist than Maoist China.
>>Marx
>>discredited
>lolno
A high IQ population. China has biological capital.
>meme pic
discarded
communism was right
>le hitchfap
He exposed as a hack when that Jew mopped the floor with him and he couldn't respond to someone calling Hitler an atheist.
some of those fellas are alright.
this
>implying any of this is wrong
But Marx can be discredited from any investigation into Science or History, man has never ever ever lived in the way that Marx said he had, Marx even stated that everything he postulates for the future is contingent upon Man in the past, and he was proven wrong.
Marxism is one of the few political and economic theories that is falsifiable and has been falsified.
yes, modern psychology is not psychoanalysis.
Modern psychology is rooted much more in neuroscience and the cause and effects of phenomena influencing chemistry than it is in psycanal.
It's not wrong tho
>t's not wrong tho
it is tho
Amusingly enough, all his criticisms had already been refuted in the works of Adam Smith.
The state is dominated by an obscenely wealthy elite few. If that's Marxism, then Marx isn't a Marxist.
I lol'd.
>nuh-uh!
>Freud
>Discredited
It doesn't appear that the economic trends Marx outlined for a revolution to occur are happening No falling rate of profit, all studies done so far claiming the opposite have left out major economic variables in determining profit. It's basically empirically impossible to prove and there's very little to say otherwise. With this issue it's apparent he made some major flaws in his core economic theory.
1). A country can't be Marxist because its a system of analysis, not a political system. 2.) China became the world's largest economy (in terms of GDP) because of market reforms under Deng Xiaoping. 3.) None of this matters because it's bait
Every single attempt thus so far at establishing a stateless society through socialist revolution has led to totalitarianism or short-lived shitholes. The historical reality is that a socialist revolution has always led to opression and economic stagnation.
Adam Smith was a socialist, Marxism is merely the logical conclusion of his work.
>Adam Smith was a socialist
>Early models of market socialism trace their roots to the work of Adam Smith and the theories of classical economics, which consisted of proposals for cooperative enterprises operating in a free-market economy. The aim of such proposals was to eliminate exploitation by allowing individuals to receive the full product of their labor while removing the market-distorting effects of concentrating ownership and wealth in the hands of a small class of private owners.
This post needs to be screencapped.
Also, the bitch went full authoritarian on Brandon.
Is this the power of lolbertarian/objectivist autism?
He was just a bleeding-heart liberal. He never argued that people shouldn't be allowed to employ others or work for wages themselves.
Market socialists based their work on Smith, so Smith was a socialist? Fuck off, dimwit.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
- Bertrand Russell
"Religion belonged to the infancy of humanity. Now that humanity had come of age, it should be left behind."
- Sigmund Freud
"Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody - not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms - had the smallest idea of what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge. Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion."
- Christopher Hitchens
"Rreligion is the first, but indirect, self-consciousness of man. That is why religion precedes philosophy everywhere, in the history of mankind as well as in the history of the individual. Man transposes his essential being outside himself before he finds it within himself. His own being becomes the object of his thought first as another being. Religion is the essential being of man in his infancy."
- Ludwig Feuerbach
All wrong
Whoever wrote the bible
Psychoanalysis is pseudoscience.
Not even an exaggeration.
(OP)
Moses - or, rather, the person who invented that story about him - whomever that was.
what the fuck am I watching? That channel has nothing but these videos with random shit thrown together