What would the world be like if he won?

What would the world be like if he won?

Srs thread, no stormfagging, tankies or moralfags pls

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Better.

Depends how long the economy could hold out. A collapse is likely but not inevitable.

Worse

Assuming:

>Barbarossa was a complete success and Moscow was captured
>Rommel took Tobruk and the Suez canal
>the British sued for peace in late 1941
>The germans do not declare war on the united states

Then the world would be divided into two superpowers, the Third Reich and the United States.

Both would probably suck absolute balls to live in at first but after a few decades of cold war I assume one would fall. The US would probably win again because dictatorships are brittle.

Also, way less jews in the old world and Africa.

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The Illuminati/Freemason agenda of a New World Order through Globalism would be vastly delayed and hindered.

Read my post again, no shitposting pls.

Can you elaborate?

Honestly, what did you expect? The stormies and tankies are having a death brawl in the non-holocaust nazi atrocities thread, of course they're gonna shitpost elsewhere in the meantime.

But it's your beloved leader who teamed up with communists invading Eastern European territories. Not to mention that it's your beloved leader who implemented a shitty economic system bound for collapse like a good socialist.

Shithole.

Third Reich would've fallen due to guerrilla insurgencies across the "empire", as well as deterioration of Jap-German relations, they wouldn't have lasted until the 60s

>No Korean War.
>No Cold War.
>No nuclear arms race.
>No Vietnam war.
>No War on Terrorism.

>Also, way less jews in the old world and Africa.
That's not a bad thing.

>socialist
>inherently bad
hi mutt

Depends user, who and how would have someone succeded Hitler if he died naturally?

He would rule over an irradiated ruin of most of Europe in a state that would basically be a sprawling version of North Korea.

T. Lefty retard

>implying simmilar wars wouldn't take place

Just because its the US vs. Nazis instead of commies doesn't mean they wouldn't fight over the same shit. Both sides would scramble for countries in Africa and south East Asia to bring into their sphere of influence, just like in the cold war.

No, just with an understanding of history. Nazi Germany was enormously reliant on slave labor to keep the war economy going by 1943 onwards. And they had no capacity whatsoever to stop Britain or American from fighting the war on their terms for as long as they wished. "Winning" the war for Hitler involves beating the USSR somehow and then enduring western attacks until they decide they can't knock him over and recognize his gains. That's almost certain to go nuclear.

Hitler would nuke the USA into oblivion.

>Both would probably suck absolute balls to live

wrong kiddo

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i'm not too sure there would be user with commies gone and japs controlling asia there's not much places left in the world to start wars against communism

If you're not German (with several generations of proof) then you're fucked. Your country being on the Axis side would mean you're only eternally a servant to the German ubermensch. Anything else means you get Lebensraum'd

>Japan
>Winning the Pacific War

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Most of Europe would be taken over, besides the teammates of Germany. Japan would still be bombed but Hitler would go no where near the United States. Even if he did we had no idea how much nuclear power was enough so we could build a nuclear bomb powerful enough to nuke all of Germany.

Shithole that would make europe literally garbage while the regime itself lasts for 4-9 years untill Hitler kicks the bucket and everything goes to even more shit
>Eastern insurgence would continue even bigger
>Soviets would never give up and border clashes would be eternal and over streched
>Nazi manpower would be depleted to entire europe to garrison the gigantic insurgency especailly in the east
>5-4 millions of abled soldiers reserved in all around europe
>Draining entire economy to build retarded architectural megaprojects
>Every ideas of Liberty and Freedom purged due to being considered "degenerate poison"
>All of Nazis leadership were fanatical narcomans who obeyed every Hitlers command, the totalitariat shihole never survives death of it's leader.
>Who will succeed Hitler? Goering? a fucking mega corrupt fatman who will leach entire economy? Himmler?A fanatical retard who is so much obsessed with race he would kill half of europe with his SS fanatics? The military that despised more then half of nazi policies?
The state would collapse into civil war after Hitler's death between the Military, SS and Administration and leave europe in more of a piles of ruins and even more millions of death.
By 1950's european population would be depleted to -30% post-war.
No fucking economical golden age because Nazi economy relied only on war economy.
No space race because nazis would continue to rely on more and more weapons and wunderwaffe, biggest nightmre of van Braun.
No rebuilding europe because half of it would be spent to create architectural megaprojects in Germania.
No colonisation of the east due to unsafe environment due to gigantic insurgence, warzone, and german man reserved into military.

Wow, what a Wünderbar world the nazis have created for us european. Thank you Adolf, at least all the kikes are dead.

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>Strongest German state in history
>Exists because of the sacrifice of Germans in WW1, not in spite of it
>Largest European economy
>Largest army
>Growing navy
>National pride at all time high
Was Danzig worth it?

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t. Jew

Yes. Fuck border-gore.

>What would the world be like if he won?
>Srs thread, no stormfagging, tankies or moralfags pls
You realize that discussing this topic necessarily entails taking a stand on whether Hitler was good or bad, right?

If he had won, the world would have been more filled with German autism. Spirituality/Religion would be very different, considering there would be a major split between Pauline Christians and Positive Christians. More people would know how to read and speak German.

Wrong. That country is aesthetic enough for now. Hold off and develop the navy (which will be ready for war in 1941 according to the admiralty) and economy further. France and Britain are actually not natural allies if you don't force them together, and given enough time they will drift apart. If you don't invade Poland you can keep Chamberlain in office who is much easier to deal with. Stalin will eventually invade Eastern Europe by himself, which will give you the opportunity to fight a war with him with Britain on your side, potentially with a neutral France.

I honestly don't think the world would even be here. If Nazi Germany had somehow survived WW2, then they likely would have acquired nuclear weapons sometime very soon after the war was over. And Hitler would probably be dumb enough to use them at the first opportunity, triggering a nuclear war the destroys all of civilization.

>no stormfagging
Then how tf am I supposed to give you an answer that doesn't end in the apocalypse?

For the Nazis to prevail, they cannot go to war against the USSR or the USA. They might get lucky and destroy the USSR leadership and force them to peace out. They might get lucky and cockblock the US from intervening (by forcing the UK to submit in 1940-41). Hitler will likely die before 1950, and the power shuffle will be ugly. I don't think Nazi Germany gets much beyond their historical territorial gains, perhaps a bit in Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. They never linkup with Japan. The US wipes out Japan as per historical. Mussolini and the Nazis eventually squabble and Africa and elsewhere remain indeterminate for both. The US kibitzes and prosecutes a cold war. No UN. The Chinese revolution takes a different course, perhaps the Nationalists take over absent a strong USSR to support Mao. India fragments completely.

How would you develop an economy increasingly based on the military further without going to war?

Goring did a good job running Yugoslavia but chose no sucessor and it went to shit.

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Assuming he achieved a peace deal/ceasefire with Stalin, the Nazi regime would have held onto most of Europe either before or shortly after Hitler died (probably the 1960s-70s), and then violently break apart like Yugoslavia. Separatist resistance movements in France and elsewhere would never be completely extinguished, so there would be occasional terrorist attacks and skirmishes. The postwar Nazi state would be a lot like Franco's Spain.

They would never have a chance in hell off occupying the US unless they supported some kind of neo-confederate white nationalist insurgency in some part of the South or Midwest (possible).

They probably would have developed The Bomb around the same time the USSR did, so there would be a three-way nuclear standoff instead of two-way.

The Nazi economy, at least for many of it's more ambitious projects, was unsustainable and based on plundering the resources of neighboring occupied lands and displaced/exterminated minorities like the Jews. There would obviously be no Jews in Nazi areas, just like most Arab states today, but they would not succeed in genociding them completely.

>literal crazy guy addicted to a bunch of drugs and who doesn't listen to anyone's advice.
awful, incredibly awful. I'm sure he wouldn't last long though - assassination would have eventually succeeded.

>neo-confederates
>taking Nazi aid

Not in 1940, not in 1960, not now, not ever.

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>Goring
you mean Tito

There were nazi parties in the US around than time, Nazism didn't go out of fashion until after WW2

>There were nazi parties in the US around than time

Yeah, up in Yankeeland

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With Berlin supporting the KKK/Dixiecrats and Moscow supporting the Blacks, the Civil Rights Movement would be a lot bloodier on this timeline.

Austim and destruction for all, eventual collapse a few years after victory.

nazism couldn't survive without Hitler and all of his diseases and drugs guaranteed he wouldn't have survived for more than a few years after the war

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He would be propped up as a figurehead well into his 90s, like some Weekend at Bernie's type shit. Power struggles behind the curtain would be pure chaos, but kept out of the press.

t. economic illiterate

The world would know that he wasn’t intersexed.

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There's an HOI4 mod about this in the works, and it actually looks really good:
>Germany BTFOs the Soviets, white peace with the US
>implement Generalplan Ost in the East, put Himmler in charge of a buffer state between France and Germany
>start doing all of Speer's crazy architectural projects in Berlin
>decide to dam the Mediterranean and form Atlantropa
>ignore Mussolini and Franco because what do those chucklefucks know, anyway?
>be surprised when it nearly bankrupts Germany, annihilates the Mediterranean economy, and only creates a lot of desert
>be even more surprised when Mussolini and Franco quit the Axis
>set up the German economy so that hardly any Germans work in industry, just hire slaves to do the rest
>three-way Cold War between Germany, Japan, and the US
>millions of liberal students protesting in the streets
>Himmler is starting to arm all the SS units in Germany
>1962
>Hitler dies
>Germany immediately disintegrates into a four-way civil war between Albert Speer (backed by America because he's the least crazy), Hermann Goering, Martin Bormann, and Reinhard Heydrich (backed by Himmler and the SS) for control of Germany

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>Germany BTFOs the Soviets, white peace with the US
Unlikely, but okay
>decide to dam the Mediterranean and form Atlantropa
lmao

The entire premise of the mod is basically "what if we gave the Nazis everything they wanted then let reality do the rest?"

the KKK was anti nazi y*nKoid

No one could because he didn’t have a legitimate son.

Why does this not shock anyone???????

????????????????

Okay then, mite b cool

>Berlin supporting the KKK
Go back to the oven faggot, real life isn't Wolfenstein

The question isn't whether it would be cool or not, the question is would it be worth buying and installing HoI4 for this specific mod?

Amazing, if you were a German of course

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Like Saddam's Iraq but with Germans instead of Arab Sunnis, French and Polish instead of Kurds, and Russians instead of Shiites.

Wunderbar!

It seems fashionable here to trigger wehraboos by claiming they had no chance. The truth is it was totally feasible for them to hold out until they developed the atom bomb by digging in after taking France.

Not even bothering with North Africa, just help Italy pull out when they inevitably lose. Italy was perfectly capable of naval area denial and without 100000s of men and enormous amounts of fuel and materiel wasted an invasion of Italy wouldn't be feasible.

The Luftwaffe should have received a substantial investment aimed at air defense, a mass pilot training scheme, experimentation with new technology and constant patrols and forays into the channel and med, more to test their ability to respond to an attempted landing and partly to deter it also.

On the eastern front they should have prepared a formidable defense in depth with hidden bunkers to hold out and bog down the enemy until a preprepared armored counter-attack reaches them. This plus intentionally buying oil from Russia at inflated prices to help keep the peace.

The Germans were mining uranium in Jáchymov, it was only a matter of isotope separation. Easier said than done of course, but Germany had plenty of silver and gold to use in cyclotrons.

>They probably would have developed The Bomb around the same time the USSR did
Germans had uranium bombs by 1942, mate.

It never could have won. Fascism is inherently unstable. However, if he did, he would have faced massive debts and likely would have needed to either enslave his own people or import slaves from elsewhere. The issue with fascism is it only works if you have "others" to blame for everything. The working class would soon have bore the brunt.

>Fascism is inherently unstable
How exactly?
> The working class would soon have bore the brunt.
Weren't those parties primarily pro-worker in each sense? From Mosley, to Mussolini, to the socialist in national socialist? Nevermind, fuck off back to leftypol.

>What would the world be like if he won?

Considering that naziniggers used to back up on every single ideal that their autism was sprouting, while pushing for the same degeneracy as the "left" nowadays, i'd say the result would be pretty much the same.
Only it wouldn't collapse, like USSR, just implode in the end.

>How exactly?

Because it relies on continuous expansion and war. If Hitler stopped at Europe (which he wouldn't), the government would have faced protest from industry leaders. Hitler paid them with what were essentially IOUs, promising them money after the war. When they went to cash that in, the government wouldn't be able to pay for it and the industry leaders likely would have had Hitler overthrown. Rule number 1 of being a dictator is that you don't piss off the people who keep you in power. Even if another fuhrer replaced him, the money problems wouldn't go away. And there's not even the money problems, eventually people would have gotten sick of being ruled over and having no freedom. And this is assuming the allies wouldn't try to fuck it up for them if it were still around. Fascism is doomed because of its core principles. I don't really think its a true coherent ideology, its more a state of mind.

>Weren't those parties primarily pro-worker in each sense?

No? Hitler greatly reduced workers conditions. He used them to get power. If you really don't know that, then you're a fucking idiot and you don't know what you're talking about.

Nazism would take the place as burger boogeyman.
And boomers would be bitching about young stormfags ruining golf and being too lazy or something.

>You realize that discussing this topic necessarily entails taking a stand on whether Hitler was good or bad, right?

It's a stormfag trying to sound "innocent", of course he knows that.

Peaceful id assume.
The US would probably join the reich due to pressure of its civilians. Public view of germany and the reich in itself was extremly positive before the propagand machine really got rolling.

Probably more degenerate than it was now.

Nazi Germany was much more closer to Weimer modernism than it was to some vague idea of 'Aryan traditionalism' or whatever. It might even be possible that the initial racial ideal gets perfected into a worldwide eugenic system for the creation of a afro-eurasian uber race. Consider the fact that Americans revere the constitution which explicitly said it would only admit 'free white men of good character', the Nazi ideology's baseline is even more infirm than that of the United States, it would be more degenerate and less Christian

>What would the world be like if he won?
First, let it be clear, nothing short of supernatural intervention would allow Hitler to win.

The closest historical case would be Alexander the Great Conquests. The Reich would erupt in bitter civil wars, both due to internal struggles and colonial conflicts. Colonial governors would drop Racial stuff, as they would have to assert power within their holdings.

Most powerful Reich successor would be a couple of colonies. Least powerful Reich successor would be Germany.

I remember reading somewhere the had master plans laid out once they conquered the west. Th world was to be split in half between germany and japan and certain countries (Britain) would be turned into mass work camps. Eventually Germany would wage war against Japan as well.

Mass relocations leading to mass death
No processed food, no meat factories, no corn syrup, no GMOs, as a consequence Americans still look human
Fashion and architecture survive to the present day

what the fuck is wrong with Italy?

>The US would probably win again because dictatorships are brittle.
China is going to fuck you so hard this century.

Complete chaos and destruction in europe
>Nazi were completely abhorent and incopetent at ecomony and only relied on unsustainable military economy that could only survive by war, Nazis started entire WW2 just because of this shit so they could plunder resources of other nations Imagine what kind of shit would happen when Reich is overstretched and there's no more rich countries to plunder

>Stormiggers refuse to acknowledge this, but nazi politics were extremely divisive and only thing holding them together was Hitler, they were so much divisive due to Hitler's own autistic competition theories. The military(wehrmacht) despised SS and all of their fanatical party obedience which served to nothing but good boy points and powergrab, civilian administration(civil consumer industry) also despised the party and the military due to them interfiering in everything, Speer grew to despize nazis due to this
As soon as Hitler dies, a giant civil war(s) will erupt between these groups and they wouldn't hold up united as the soviets did after Stalin did, since entire nazi larty were fanatics hating other fanatics who loved competition

>If nazis will literally go full with general plan ost, it's will also fuck them over. The east european population was 3 times bigger that on german one, starting and killing civilians would create insurgency groups much more bigger and destructive than simple partisan groups, imagine every city uprising one even bigger level then Warsaw in 1944, Nazis would need to reserve so much troops to quell this shit while still defending their borders and controlling other puppet states. When the civil war erupts, it's basically all ogre for the military, even if Reichskommissariat drop general plan ost plans and drop racial policies and even that would be too late
Is this what stormfags want europe to become? Is this better than how it went IRL? At fucking least europe managed to rebuild itself and european population grew instead of decrease

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FPBP

Hahaha not really. The US was way too libertarian to ever join a dictatorship. Even FDR was too autocratic for most people at the time. Nazi sympathizers were considered kooks and not any more common than Putin/Assad shills today.

Chinese value conformity more than Europeans.

>No processed food, no meat factories, no corn syrup, no GMOs, as a consequence Americans still look human
>implying Germany wouldn't wind up developing that to make up for their lack of arable land

>Nazis somehow manage to develop a shitty atom bomb and nuke London
>Allies respond by glassing Berlin and Hamburg or something

>The US would probably join the reich due to pressure of its civilians.
>a nation that fought for eight long years at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives to win its independence would just give it all up because of some Kraut PR stunts.
>Public view of germany and the reich in itself was extremly positive before the propagand machine really got rolling.
>implying the world's leading democracy would ever have a positive view of an aggressive expansionist dictatorship that was a polar ideological opposite of them in virtually every way
>being this delusional and so out of touch with American society and culture that you would unironically spout this utter horseshit

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If you're on the fence, just wait until a steam sale where you can pick it up for $15 or less, and the mod would probably be pretty polished by that point.

The Atlantropa project significantly lowered the Mediterranean's water level, causing the Adriatic Sea and the Strait of Messina to almost completely dry up.

what was the point of Atlantropa?

Won in what year?
Hitler would probably annex some part of the Ukraine for muh lebensraum and try to divide the rest of the SU as much as possible along ethnic lines under firm German influence.
I dont really see how he would manage those huge territories when he didnt have a surplus of Germans availaible.

Presumably to showcase the might of Nazi engineering while they were still on their post-war 'we can accomplish literally anything and everything' high

Turn the Mediterranean into an uninhabitable salt flat.

>Public view of germany and the reich in itself was extremly positive before the propagand machine really got rolling.
You realise surveys existed during those times, user.

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And a more "modern" one in the contemporary sense

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Who comes up with these? I mean, I ship it, but still. Someone edit him into an SS Officer Please.

Wehrmacht-SS Civil War from Russia to London as the German economy collapses

lol no, they're already headed in a bad direction as we speak.

Besides, they can't do anything to seriously harm us without harming the global economy they are also dependent upon.

>three-way Cold War between Germany, Japan, and the US
How the fuck does Japan not get skullfucked by the US military again?

You absolute mong

>implying germany wouldn't have reach fusion first

Go watch The Man In The High Castle.

After that, read the book of the same name by Philip K Dick.

Similarly, read Starship Troopers by Heinlein

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I think you're forgetting how serious Empire of Japan really was at the time.

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I'm not a stormfag but the Germans have genetic predisposition towards high GDP

>Hitlers death would cause civil war
This is a stupid meme. If the Soviet Union had collapsed before the death of Stalin we would say the same thing about the USSR. In reality we know that a post-Stalinist USSR can exist, so long as the transition happens during a period of stability. If Hitler dies in the 1960's in a victorious, booming post-war Germany a strongman will safely emerge as his spiritual successor to lead a post-Hitler Nazi party. A man like Khrushchev coming after Stalin would have seemed unthinkable to most people in 1945, but just look at history.

More like an uneasy ceasefire after years of staring at each other across the sea with little hope of ever ousting the Nazis and the first A bombs being tested by both sides.

pretty damned terrible

A great world

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