I know we get a lot of althistoryfags, but I've been thinking. Hypothetically if the Confederacy won the civil war, would it still use the Stars and Bars or switch to the Battle Flag? Would the stars increase if it gained more states?
I know we get a lot of althistoryfags, but I've been thinking. Hypothetically if the Confederacy won the civil war...
Ian Rivera
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Evan Adams
This was the final national flag of the CSA, although a version without the red stripe had been adopted in 1863 and was more popular.
Sebastian Ross
Forgot pic
Gavin Sanders
Depends on what year the CSA wins the war.
If the war ends prior to 1863, the South might opt to stick with the Stars and Bars. After 1863, they’ll probably continue development of the Stainless Banner.
I’m actually working on a pregnant Anne Frank fanfic right now with a sideplot where Anne embarrasses herself (and mildly angers her rescuers) by mistaking Confederates for Americans on account of their similar accents and flags. She finds the famed battle flag an almost alien symbol because it’s still exclusively used as a military flag (the CSA is known diplomatically for its use of the Stars and Bars). Peter is somewhat more knowledgeable of the Confederacy but still demonstrates a great deal of ignorance regarding the mysterious nation.
Isaiah Green
>Many Confederates disliked the Stars and Bars, seeing it as symbolic of the centralized federal power the Confederate states were seceding from.[18] As early as April 1861, a month after the flag's adoption, some were already criticizing the flag, calling it a "servile imitation" and a "detested parody" of the U.S. flag.[19] In January 1862, George William Bagby, writing for the Southern Literary Messenger, wrote that many Confederates disliked the flag. "Every body wants a new Confederate flag," Bagby wrote, also stating that "The present one is universally hated. It resembles the Yankee flag and that is enough to make it unutterably detestable." The editor of the Charleston Mercury expressed a similar view, stating that "It seems to be generally agreed that the 'Stars and Bars' will never do for us. They resemble too closely the dishonored 'Flag of Yankee Doodle' … we imagine that the 'Battle Flag' will become the Southern Flag by popular acclaim." In addition, William T. Thompson, the editor of the Savannah-based Daily Morning News also objected to the flag, due to its aesthetic similarity to the U.S. flag, which some Confederates negatively associated with emancipation and abolitionism. Thompson stated in April 1863 that he disliked the adopted flag "on account of its resemblance to that of the abolition despotism against which we are fighting."
TL;DR the Stars and Bars would likely have been replaced no matter what
Nicholas Murphy
So probably a situation similar to how Nazis used both the old Imperial flag and the swastika separately, until eventually just settling on the swastika. Probably the same thing would happen with the Confederacy.
Sebastian Wilson
The Confederacy actually had a rationale for initially maintaining a battle flag that was substantially different for its national flag
>General Joseph E. Johnston: "I wrote to [Miles] that we should have 'two' flags—a 'peace' or parade flag, and a 'war' flag to be used only on the field of battle—but congress having adjourned no action will be taken on the matter—How would it do us to address the War Dept. on the subject of Regimental or badge flags made of red with two blue bars crossing each other diagonally on which shall be introduced the stars,... We would then on the field of battle know our friends from our Enemies."
Ryan James
They would have ended up using the CSA navel jack
Charles Evans
Blood Stained Banner, which I think looks pretty nice personally.
Levi Lee
Disgusting, banners of traitors, they belong in a fire
Kevin Gomez
Better go back to flying his majesty's flag then faggot.
Jayden Carter
*burns Constitution (literally)*
Eli Barnes
post yfw the Confederacy turns into the European Union
Michael Mitchell
>if you don't support betraying your country then you should betray your country
>dixieboo logic
Cooper Foster
>demanding unconditional obedience and loyalty to a government that itself was founded on insurrection
Jacob Bailey
Please no
Adam Edwards
>Demanding unconditional obedience
But it wasn't unconditional. Dixies just had a massive chimpout and refused to accept any sort of olive branch offered by the federal government then attacked federal property all because they didn't like the results of an election.
Meanwhile the founding fathers attempted repeatedly to seek peaceful resolutions with Parliament and King George culminating in the petition to the King sent in 1774 which plainly stated they were loyal to the crown and nothing was done about it.
Christian Barnes
>REEEEE THEY WON'T LET US OWN PEOPLE
Parker White
I refuse to have a inbred retard who can't win wars against small, pathetic nations be the leader.
Christian Nguyen
Absolute madman
Ryder Parker
Probably the correct answer
Blake Jenkins
i'd read it
Landon Murphy
Same
Cooper Myers
Unironically the best flag
Matthew Rogers
Stars and Bars is criminally underrated as a flag desu
Jose Walker
This
Kayden Carter
These are the most likely answers
Camden Barnes
How did the Naval Jack come to be seen as the symbol of the Confederacy and not the national flag?
Nicholas Anderson
It was the original proposed battle flag
Noah White
>funds and trains slave revolts in your land
>agitates against you in the newspapers
>militarily occupies two of your states
>blockades your ships
>shuts your representatives out of Congress
>"those evil Confederates were chimping out for no reason. "
Yankees are the original dindus
Ryan Moore
>hundreds of thousands of people dying just so the 1% could continue enslaving their christian brethren and not even spilling their own blood
southerners, what a joke
Juan Sanders
Sounds cute
Leo Watson
Awww fuck it
Elijah Miller
Rebels or heroes, that flag is aesthetic as fuck.
Noah Harris
Agreed, it shares the distinctive shape of the American flag the design is more simplistic and less crowded
Michael Johnson
voted
Caleb Martin
Here's the outline if you want to take a look at it.
Jonathan Martinez
Probably the only election I'll ever take part in where my vote is actually worth a damn
Jacob Robinson
Holy shit you’re right
Anthony Ward
Vote you faggots
Cameron Ortiz
>FUCK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR NOT LETTING THE STATE GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPPRESS ITS OWN PEOPLE
i never understand what dixieboos meant by this
Jaxson Johnson
Cool
Grayson Jenkins
you seem mentally stunted
Connor Cooper
Which flag you lads talking about? Stars and Bars or battle flag?
Gavin Moore
The CSA winning is counterfactual. The Confederacy had no chance to win the war.
Kayden Garcia
Oh I get it, you're one of those faggots that calls compromise you getting something for me getting nothing.
Julian White
Hypothetically if the Confederacy won the civil war, the North would have smacked their shit down 5 years later.
David Rivera
The UK would be interested in a weaker US so would probably back them up, especially if the Confederates concede on slavery and essentially become non-monarchist serfdom-era Russia.
Luis Allen
wow they are fucking disgusting
Brody Howard
>Hypothetically if the Confederacy won the civil war, the North would have smacked their shit down 5 years later.
And why would the Northern public support restarting a war they had so miserably lost?
Henry Jenkins
>the North would renege on it's promise and restart the war without good reaso-
Isaac Morales
Literally bullshit
Joshua White
This
Daniel Ross
Funny enough this guy was calling for disunion years before the South even considered it.
Michael Bell
>people
Sure thing pal
Jackson Baker
the north at the time had one of the largest populations on earth and the biggest industry on earth at the time, its highly unlikely that the UK would be able to intervene thousands of miles away right at the beginning of the scramble for africa
Charles Torres
nps.gov
it was never a possibility that they would win
Carson Butler
The CSA would probably have switched to a battle flag-inspired design at some point. As other posters have mentioned, the Stars and Bars wasn't very well liked because of its similarity to the American flag.
Evan Harris
Third National for the win.
Cameron Fisher
>Depends on what year the CSA wins the war.
>If the war ends prior to 1863, the South might opt to stick with the Stars and Bars. After 1863, they’ll probably continue development of the Stainless Banner.
This
Matthew Sullivan
Voted
Cameron Gutierrez
This
Luis Brown
What a total Jew
Logan Jones
>nps.gov/civilwar/facts
Bentley Edwards
t.
Cooper Morgan
No
Benjamin Ross
I'm liking these results...
Jack White
Why is the Blood banner so loved? I thought the Stars and Bars is pretty chad.
Also here's a question to add onto OP's, if the Confederate states increased, would they add additional stars? I think they'd keep the 13, as it adds onto the American Revolution symbolism.
Tyler Hill
The Bonnie Blue flag was the best banner and song, southerners just have shit taste and feel a need to imitate the North, their own favorite tune, Dixie's land, was written by a yankee for fucks sake.
Brayden Johnson
Dixie is not my favorite tune. I much prefer Wearing of the Gray.
Adrian Edwards
>Dixie is not my favorite tune. I much prefer Wearing of the Gray.
Same
Liam Moore
Jason Ward
>government statistics arent reliable
just because holocaust numbers are made up to you doesnt mean every official statisitic ever reported is a lie
Levi Smith
It's the most unique flag in terms of appearance.
Liam Thompson
>saying this and expecting to be taken seriously
Sebastian Morris
>funds and trains slaves revolts
>list this as a reason for war
>unironically claim the war wasn’t about slavery
Joshua Jackson
>if a country has more men, arms, and money, they are 100% guaranteed to win the war without exception
Did you graduate elementary school?
Kayden Davis
>saying niggers are humans and expecting to be taken seriously
Brayden Williams
>when a y*nKoid creates an alt history where we side with the axis in WW2 or WW1
Why are y*nKoids so ignorant bros?
Hudson Campbell
>Axis
>WW1
Talk about ignorance
Andrew Lopez
Leo Lee
nice facebook gif, maybe you should head back there
Lucas Ross
name one war NOT the american revolution where this happens.
Jayden Phillips
maybe because european countries still wouldnt piss off the union since foreign policy would shift to an equivalent of the 'one china policy' where only edgy countries back it
Grayson Gonzalez
Rwandan Civil War