What causes the rise and fall of certain art styles anons? For example, why do we no longer see the detailed and realistic paintings that we used to see in older art? Is it because we have cameras and photography now? And why didn't anyone come up with the anime art style until after WW2? Did people not appreciate cuteness in their artwork until very recently? If one were to introduce anime artwork to your average 17th century person, what would they think of it?
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John Gray
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Lincoln Clark
>why do we no longer see the detaile dand realistic paintings that we used to see in older art?
Post-modernism / Cultural Marxism.
Luis Williams
In Epcot Japan, there is a display case talking about the origins of "Kawaii." It serves as an explanation for all the Hello Kitty and stuff with cute faces on it, no doubt a source of polite puzzlement for people from Wisconsin or Texas. They explained Kawaii grew out of the trauma and upheavals of war and post-war poverty as an aesthetic reflex to counter the dreadful circumstances that were so recently near.
Ayden Flores
Why just Japan after WW2 though? Surely after seeing their families get raped and pillaged by (insert bad guys here) the (insert literally any civilization here) would want a little Kawaii in their life as well?
Andrew Clark
I think the reason "we don't see" is because you don't look for that art style. There's a great deal of beautiful art but you don't see it pushed in the mass cultures. Anything good in life, such as locating beautiful compelling art, is difficult.
Zachary Evans
Their society rebounded and rebuilt to an extent there was widely available time and artistic resources. It's Japan were talking about. They're virtually a superpower, and have great art movements you'd expect with such an ambitious civilization.
Liam Brown
>For example, why do we no longer see the detailed and realistic paintings that we used to see in older art?
en.wikipedia.org
You don’t see it because you are ignorant memespouting polshit.
Michael Davis
>polshit
Weeb though he may be he never brought up any /pol/ish stuff in his post.
Jace Diaz
>polshit
d-d-dem neo nazis! dont uppreciate muh art
Kevin Gonzalez
You’re both retarded. Realism isn’t dead just because new art styles are also becoming more popular. Pretty much every well respected art style in history retains a few modern adherents.
Oliver Taylor
If you looked at Japanese any art older than Astro Boy this would be clear to you. Japan has been doing cartoons for centuries. And the cartoon has been a commodity in Japan for far longer than any other place I can think of. People all over the world have enjoyed cartoons in newspapers etc, but there was always a pretty big market for prints that you could compare to a modern comics industry.
Many of the features of popular Japanese character art can be seen in anime. Strong outlines, a more or less unified style, clear features and little to no shading made this stuff easy to produce and easy to make good prints of. Similarly, most features of anime and manga are labor and cost-saving techniques, so no surprise that cartoons like Gigantor, with about six frames per episode, were born out of country with a devastated economy and a generation of children who had childhoods if they were lucky. Postwar Japan was known for making shitty shit on the cheap. Now they make lots of good stuff, but continue to get away with utter trash animation, because it turns out people dig the simplicity.
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Caleb Collins
>come up with the anime art style until after WW2
That descends directly from Disney style stuff.
>Where did Disney's art come from?
Fucked if I know. But it's paedomorphic as opposed to gerontomorphic superheroes.
Lincoln Lopez
WTF is going on in that pic?
Joseph Collins
>tfw just trying to have a nice walk but the giantesses won't stop ruining the landscape with their unkempt koochis
Luis Foster
Drumpfkins BTFO! Hahaha
Brayden Jones
That's a vagina and a butthole up there.
People still paint realistically I'm sure; it's not as though the skills are completely extinct. But these must be things that end up on rich people's walls, not in museums. I very rarely see contemporary naturalistic paintings in museums, but I see a lot of arranged found objects and jars of used condoms and Inuit soapstone prints and such like.
The market for art may have changed more than art has, I dunno.
Lucas Williams
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Oliver Smith
Prints by Kuniyoshi, 1836
‘Ghost Stories: Night Procession of the Hundred Demons (Kaidan hyakki yagyô)’
Sebastian Sanchez
Technology has always driven artistic developments.
>we no longer see the detailed and realistic paintings that we used to see in older art?
Because it used to take an art master wth decades of experience to produce them, so their scarcity made them desirable to wealthy investors. Nowadays we have cameras and photographic reference so that even cut rate artists can generate realistic art, but most people just save on time and costs by taking a picture.
>hy didn't anyone come up with the anime art style until after WW2?
High volume printing techniques forced Japanese mangeka to make stylistic choices that lent themselves to mass production. They took most of their inspiration from Walt Disney, who also stylized his illustrations in order to make them amenable to hand drawn animation.
>cuteness
Understand the difference between high art and low art. Low art is commercial art, made for individual consumption, disposable by nature. High art is made for mass consumption, created by governments, and the art you see in a museum reprepresents a “best of the best” anthology.
>17th century person seeing anime
They would be utterly mystified by its production techniques
Dylan Thompson
This is correct, and Disney took his inspiration from animation pioneer Winsor McCay, a carnival showman who would crank out animations by hand like an absolute madman (at any given time there would be giant stacks of drawings in his office, tens of thousands of them) to incorporate into his acts, Gertie the dinosaur being his most famous.