How did China manage to have a large population throughout its history? What was their secret?

How did China manage to have a large population throughout its history? What was their secret?

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Asexual reproduction. Chinks are hivemind subhumans who lack any human qualities like love, originality, creativity, individuality. They are a hoard of mindless pawns to be used at will by their emperor or chairman overlord. They are submissive, without feelings, devoid of empathy. That is why they all look the same as well, because they reproduce by mitosis

Same as India: rice.

Fertile lands.
OP, you question is silly because a population will always maintain some sort of average dependent on how much food can be produced from the land. If a plague or war wiped out more 2/3 of a population the survivors will breed faster because now there is more food and land to be had. If an area is completely wiped out, you can bet that after some time new people will come to settle the land and breed like mad.

I think what you should be really asking is:
"how did old China maintain such a huge border which is largely populated for so long ?"

Now that answer is a bit more complicated but can be mostly attributed to excellent governing.

ok then
How did the predecessors of China managed to maintain a large border which is populated for so long?

and how excellent was their governing?

So why wasn't North America just as massively populated with how ridiculously fertile the Mississippi delta is?

Big if true

You're comparing a group of people whom didn't leave the stone age to an empire that already grasped basic agriculture more then a thousand years before.

It was very good.
Despite suffering many civil wars and hardships like the Roman empire they managed to maintain unity for longer time then the Romans.

Not sure, but they eventually all got conquered by Qin Shi Huang whome formed the Chines empire.

Because the people wanted to be Chinese. Don't think of China as a nation-state so much as something like Europe or India, a huge expanse of lands containing a lot of different languages and cultures. The core of China had developed in such a way that it had been much more advanced, in technology, cultural development, military organization, than everyone sorrounding it. And since the very beginning, these non-Chinese that would come into China to trade or whatever, liked what they saw, and wanted to be part of it.

So the people from outside adopted the Chinese ways, and that's really how early China expanded its territory. Consequently, early China didn't develop any sense of ethnic pride like in the west. "Chinese" was not a people, but a way of life. To be "Chinese" was to live in this specific way, and have these specific beliefs, which were superior to everything that existed outside that area.

So post unification, whenever bad shit happened, no one blamed the system, but only the people running it. Every once in a while there would be wars to depose the emperor and install a new dynasty, but there was never an attempt to reform the state until the Taiping. So there were no wars for independence, no one wanted to not be a part of China. Conflict only happened when there were more than one emperors, fighting one another for the whole of the Middle Kingdom. so better to just have the one leader and not have civil war. We all know how bad civil wars can get in China.

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so being chinese back then was akin to Europeans trying to assimilate to Romans?

Eurasian trade networks, access to domesticated horses, cows, and other beasts of burden

They probably went through a process of genetic pacification through the millenias. Western Europe managed to make a difference in only a couple hundred years of the state giving violent men death penalties. This led to less wars and conflict and the relatively low murder rates.

>Through its monopoly on violence, the State tends to pacify social relations. Such pacification proceeded slowly in Western Europe between the 5th and 11th centuries, being hindered by the rudimentary nature of law enforcement, the belief in a man's right to settle personal disputes as he saw fit, and the Church's opposition to the death penalty. These hindrances began to dissolve in the 11th century with a consensus by Church and State that the wicked should be punished so that the good may live in peace. Courts imposed the death penalty more and more often and, by the late Middle Ages, were condemning to death between 0.5 and 1.0% of all men of each generation, with perhaps just as many offenders dying at the scene of the crime or in prison while awaiting trial. Meanwhile, the homicide rate plummeted from the 14th century to the 20th. The pool of violent men dried up until most murders occurred under conditions of jealousy, intoxication, or extreme stress. The decline in personal violence is usually attributed to harsher punishment and the longer-term effects of cultural conditioning. It may also be, however, that this new cultural environment selected against propensities for violence.

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This.

This. Confucianism (Traditionalism really) + The Mandate of Heaven = China.

In no particular order:

>lack of livestock
>lack of rice, the cornerstone of cheap easy population growth
>lack of universally-embraced governmental philosophy focused on societal structure

And the Mississippi still got very populated despite all that, even if they never got to the tech levels China did. We know there were Mesoamerican-style cities all along the Mississippi, but with "pyramids" made of earth and wood rather than stone. The best comparison I can think of, using a European example, would be Pre-Roman Celtic towns. But these cities became MASSIVELY depopulated after European expeditions introduced foreign bacteria the locals had no immunity against - they got wiped out by plague. But now I'm way off-topic for the thread.

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>excellent governing.
such as the great leap forward?
sure China might have had good policies for the case but chinese rule in retrospective wasn´t good, much less execelent

>Chinese history is only 50 years long
Wew, lad.

Actually the Mississipian collapsed before colombus touched down in 1492. We don't really know why they fell, but some guess it had something to do with climate

Veeky Forums ain't /pol/ with dates user

You can't stand anyone speak even a lightly positive thing about China, right?

>chinese history wasn´t a clauster fuck since the revolution and even previous to that during the warrning states and mongol conquest

I am getting tired of you gooks paid for by the People´s Repulic of China shitposting in here

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reeeeeee

What i hate about the chinese is that they are arrongant as fuck, a great country, but somehow thinks they have the world in their bellies despite heavy flaws, look at the webms of kids getting ran over and people not giving a fuck, it´s like they are subhumans, insects.

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What history isn't a cluster fuck? Rome? Medieval Europe? The Middle East?

>4000 years of imperial history is invalidated because of retarded shit 50 years ago.
You're just as bad as the chicoms

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that is precisely the point user, other than a few rulers like Octavian, Trajan are rare, that is not to say they don´t exist and that the aren´t golden eras
I just cringe when people mention those things without providing examples, seems like and undeserved fellacio

>One child policy 1979 - 39 years ago
>Cultural revolution 1966 -52 years ago
>Great leap forward 1960 - 58 years ago
>War with japan 1937 - 81 years ago
>China republic civil war 1927 - 91 years ago
>Chinese Revolution 1911 - 107 years ago
>Boxer Rebellion 1899 - 119 years ago
>2nd Opium War 1856 - 163 years ago
>1rst Opium War 1839 - 179 years ago

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One child policy was nessesary.

>i still can't understand the difference between 4000 years of governance versus 200 years of governance

>Expanding the goals from 50 years to 200
>Compulsory abortions rather than proper sterilization programs

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>talking about how ancient and Medival China had good governace.
>hurr but what about the PRC and late Qing
You're arguing in bad faith. Knock it off.

Because you specified events from mainly 50 years ago than 200 years ago. Judging the whole history of a civilization from it's worst moments is retarded. It's like saying Rome was a dysfunctional middling power that never amounted to anything because it sucked during the migration period and Nero's reign. If you're going to just write off 4000 years of history fuck off to .

>You're arguing in bad faith
Fair enough, how did China bonce back from
>Cultural revolution 1966 -52 years ago
>Great leap forward 1960 - 58 years ago
>War with japan 1937 - 81 years ago
>China republic civil war 1927 - 91 years ago
to the point of needing the one child policy?

user China had brutal and bloody times previous to that to. wasn´t it a mongol that killed as many chinese as the plague killed europeans and tifus killed indians?

No ones denying that, all I'm saying is that you can't say in good faith a civilization always sucked when all you do is highlight the events at the time it was at it's weakest like still can't seem to grasp.

I was quoting myself to save the time of writting to ask you a specific question, it´s been about an hour since i asked for some example of good policies chinese did There were some states with bachelor taxes, there as also been nazi Germany´s state funded repaiment of private debt in percentage per baby, Kadafi´s regime offered houses to newly weed couples. trully asking what chinese did

Interesting. Could the same process be applied to blacks?

t. Dying white race

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>China was a glorious paradise before the communists took over

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