Prussian Genocide 1945-1950

Because deportation isn't genocide, einstein

>Romanticizing the only uncivilized part of Europe
Like romanticizing Moldova today or something

>(((civilisation)))

People who say it was not a genocide are as bad as people who say holocaust didn´t happen

there is a difference between killing people and telling them to go away

>the jews gave us bach, mozart, enlightenment, greatest strandard of living mankind has ever seen
>random cuck on Veeky Forums wants to go back to being a celt and rape women like isis
neck yourself don't credit everything to jews you knucklehead

oh yeah im on Veeky Forums.
people use echoes unironically here...

>People who say it was not a genocide are as bad as people who say holocaust didn´t happen
If that's the case, it wasn't genocide.

>the jews gave us bach, mozart, enlightenment, greatest strandard of living mankind has ever seen

>the jews gave us bach, mozart, enlightenment, greatest strandard of living mankind has ever seen
Citation needed.

I used > to imply that was his argument retard

Because the ethnic Germans in every country in Eastern Europe collaborated enthusiastically with the invading armies to subjugate their host peoples, thereby proving themselves to be an unreliable fifth column.

If they didn't want to get kicked out maybe they shouldn't have gleefully taken the property of murdered Czechs, Poles, and Jews and formed Selbstchutz battalions to help the Nazis clear out undesirables.

Was there any historic justification for ceding Prussia to Poland and not giving it to Eastern Germany? Were there a lot of Pole living there? Was it just a concession arbitrarily made to make Germany weaker?

Germans lost the war (after they started it and committed unspeakable atrocities) and Stalin took Eastern Poland.

>Was there any historic justification for ceding Prussia to Poland and not giving it to Eastern Germany?
the medieval Kingdom of Poland (pre-Ostsiedlung) had its borders pretty much like the modern Polish-German one
>Were there a lot of Pole living there?
some will dispute their accuracy but the map in the OP gives you a good estimate. in the continuous areas there was an absolute German majority with almost no other foreigners.
>Was it just a concession arbitrarily made to make Germany weaker?
there was no reason to make Germany weaker as it already was occupied by the Soviets and Western Allies
it was revenge to Germany and a concession to Poles - also made to enable the expulsion of Poles from territories farther east: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_population_transfers_(1944–1946)

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It was arbitrary to make Germany unable to become a threat again. Prussia as a nation was founded by, and majority German for 700 years until the the expulsion. There were Poles living there, but they were a small minority, just the biggest minority there, and if anybody would fill the lands it would only make sense for it to be Poland

The reason given was to litterally destroy Prussia. Germany under Prussian dominance caused two world wars, and they didnt want to take the chance of a thrid one. Abolishing Prussia, so the Allies thought, would cause "Preußentum" (all things you associate with Prussia baisically) to 'die out'.

Also yeah they gave it to Poland because the USSR kept eastern Poland. And some areas in Prussia had large polish minorities yeah...

I thought the whole "abolish Prussia" initiative was an Allied thing not a Soviet one.

>the allies
It's literally all Stalin. West Germany accepted the new border only in 1970. They considered them territories under temporal Polish administration (based on the text of Potsdam conference).

Yeah it was, but Prussia was in the soviet sphere of influence now...
Allies pushed the point, Soviets agreed, among other things to not piss off the poles too much iirc

>Germany under Prussian dominance caused two world wars
Prussia was completely irrelevant in the Third Reich and WW2, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preußenschlag

>West Germany accepted the new border only in 1970
>the country full of Nazis accepted the border reluctantly
wow im suprised...

Look at early CDU posters, these fuckers wanted the goddamn Sudetenland back...

No one cared about Poles.

Königsberg was so pretty. Why did the fucking slavs have to win, bros?

>Prussia was completely irrelevant
>entire country basically part of the state of prussia
>prussians run the military, and most of politics
>completely irrelevant
no

and so? it was the homeland of Germans for centuries
>>entire country basically part of the state of prussia
what the fuck are you even talking about?
>prussians
Prussians (except the original) weren't a people.

>it was the homeland of Germans for centuries
And the homeland of slavs for millenia before that...two can play that game...

>entire country basically part of the state of prussia
>what the fuck are you even talking about?
tfw you know what you are talking about

This State of Prussia my dude...

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Prussia was part of the state of Germany, not the opposite...
please do read up on the Preußenschlag
Prussia didn't hold any power past-WW1.

>Prussia was part of the state of Germany, not the opposite
Yeah. It was a State, inside of Germany...thats what its called...a State...

You fucking brainlet.

>Prussia didn't hold any power past-WW1
Exept for Prussians (which apperantly dont exist) or more specifically Prussian nobility still dominated Germanys institutions...

>You fucking brainlet.
you posted here that the entire country was part of the state of Prussia
learn to write before you insult

>Exept for Prussians (which apperantly dont exist)
there where Silesians, Pomeranians, Brandenburgians, East Prussians (ok on that one) etc. the state of Prussia was a collection of German peoples.
>Prussian nobility still dominated Germanys institutions...
Hitler was Austrian
Goebbels was Rhinelander
Himmler and Göring were Bavarians
political allies of Hitler (von Papen) made Prussia powerless in the Preußenschlag, the Nazi further dismembered it with the Gau system
but MUH PRUSSIA!!!!!!"1111!!!

>that the entire country was part of the state of Prussia
Key word 'baisically'...just look at that map...prussia was fucking gigantic and no other states could compete...

>Hitler was Austrian
>Goebbels was Rhinelander
>Himmler and Göring were Bavarians
>i found four people in the nazi leadership that werent prussians take that
l o l

It wasn't a genocide, because there was no extermination of German population, only movement of it further westwards.

And stop whining you cunt, Poles were expelled from their eastern lands as well, and they don't act so butthurt.

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OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>i found four people in the nazi leadership that werent prussians take that
yeah four totally unimportant people

Look at the upper echelons of the wehrmacht.
Full of prussian nobility.
The courts werent much different.

>Prussia covers 2/3 of Germany
>therefore anyone can be considered "Prussian"
>still Prussia was in fact dismembered
there was no logical reason to destroy Prussia after WW2. Revenge or territorial gain for Soviets/Poles ok, but the state or existance of Prussia wasn't responsible for WW2.

>>still Prussia was in fact dismembered
*by the Nazis (and their political allies)

>state or existance of Prussia wasn't responsible for WW2
No, but "Preußentum" definetly did.

It´s still the erradication and removal of a people, down playing this things is what /pol/ does

you sir a retarded who needs to quote after me ever saying the jews never invented anything

This was a genocide. The families of the victims should get reparations and the survivors and their descendants should get their property back.

Because they were expelled not killed.
Germans should feel lucky their country wasn't dissolved after WWII.

>start shit, get hit
let me taste your tears wehrboos

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I would have dissolved it after the first war desu.

Spoils of war.

As Tupac Shakur once said:

Niggaz love to scream peace after they start some shit.

cringe

>Prussia as a nation
>700 years

Quality meme, mate
And "Prussia" didn't just have native Poles and Baltic Prussian. It also invited French Huguenots to populate their lands. Most "German" Prussian cities were Francophone up until the Napoleonic wars. Prussian elites thought that German was a dumb peasant language.

>Germany under Prussian dominance caused two world wars

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You know what? Those descendants of deported Germans should be allowed to go back to Prussia, provided they restore old Prussian language and reinvent its culture.

Yeah, they did. Even the Seven Years' War (aka World War 0.5) was caused by Freddy's shenanigans.

that one i don't dispute. and "caused" in your heebtionary probably means "we were butthurt someone else dares to prosper w/o our partake".

Expulsion is also considered a form of genocide today, though. Not to mention the Germans who died from the forced transfers.

You know very god damn well that the Seven years war was started by the French and Indian war. Whats with you shits always trying to blame Germans for everything?

No? I only blame Prussians and Prussianism. They are not real Germans anyway, like most Eastern Germans. They think and act like Russians/Slavs, in a collectivist and authoritarian manner. Their slavic ancestry makes them impossible to completely understand the western idea of freedom and autonomy, so much that even the great Immanuel Kant had to clearly say it in his books, something that was totally obvious in the West.

Kant was a Slav.

He was such an outlier among the "Germans", that was my point.

Your point was that the Prussians have Slavic mentality which is different from proper Germans like Kant, who is a Slav?

So was Prussia a blight for both Poland and Germany?
Poland din't even have a problem with other Germans. They seemed to get along with Saxons just fine. It was Prussian expansion that ruined the Polish-German relations and dragged the Germans in the conflict with Poles.

Because ot wasn't
In order for it to be a genocide it woild havde hade to be eradicication
They just deported a bunch of germans
It would be like calling trump deporting a bunch of mexicans genocide

Were there any instances of ethnic Germans who were killed for refusing to cooperating with Nazi authorities or even taking up arms against them?

Because sending all of your troops to die in a war and then losing that war isn’t genocide

Did not happen, and if it did it was deserved

this
the Volksdeutche in Eastern Europe were exactly what nazis say the Jews are

in the East? Almost none unless you count shit like Schindler. At least the Reischdeutsche had Sophie Scholl and such who properly resisted

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Unrug

There was this guy. He wasn't killed, though.

Germans don't realise that they're exactly like stereotype of a Jew they created in their propaganda.

>Poles offer Teutonic Knight land in exchange for vassalage and christianizing the ancient Prussians
>Teutonic Knights start raiding Poland 50 years afterwards

>Poland allows Brandemburg to take control over Eastern Prussia in exchange for vassalage
>Brandemburg stabs them in the back during Deluge

>Czechs and Poles invite Germans to less developed part of their countries to settle down under pledge of loyalty
>few hundreds years later Germans go full "OUR ANCIENT GERMANIC CLAY", breaking the pledge

>Belgians break alliance with France to appease Hitler
>Hitler invades Belgium anyway

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just like the (((holocaust)))!

>brandenburg meme
poland was weak as shit, why would you still be loyal to someone who cant protect himself
>czechs and poles meme
slavs didnt have the technology or the manpower to drain swamps and required german help to do that. their citys were founded under german right, not under polish or czech
>belgium meme
what is the magniot? what is antwerp? fucking frenchies were delusional
>teutons meme
poland couldnt even deal with lithuania back then, also the teutons conquered most of their land from the prussians, poland had no rights to their land.

What the fuck are you talking about you uneducated imbecile? If you think someone will take your autistic rambling seriously, then you're dead wrong.

it wasn't enough

didnt you learn reading comprehension in school? are you, by any chance, from the us?

>poland couldnt even deal with lithuania back then, also the teutons conquered most of their land from the prussians, poland had no rights to their land.
>Might makes right except when the Germans lose

Because it was forced migration of a subhuman race that does nothing but kill, you fucking subhuman

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The organization known in German as Der gruppen die Einsatz, was of purely an anti partisan persuasion.

>poland was weak as shit, why would you still be loyal to someone who cant protect himself
So why should we defend the ‘white race’ from extinction

>what is the magniot? what is antwerp? fucking frenchies were delusional
Why is it okay to invade neutral countries

Normally I would call this American education, but clearly this is not the thing in this case. Are you actually a Kraut, and really retarded one I must add?

Fun fact - in Polish, the term " volksdeutsch" is sometimes used as a synonym for the word " traitor "

It is also used as an insult

The prussian genocide never happened but I wish it did

Hitler hit the final nail in the coffin by absorbing Prussia directly you absolute Mongoloid.

I personally think that Germany should have just been split into quarters and colonised between the Russians, Poles, French and Brits.

>expelling people means genocide
So Holocaust was reat and it lasted 1900 years?

>At least the Reischdeutsche had Sophie Scholl and such who properly resisted

Ehhh.... Distributing fliers isn't really much in the way of resistance. Hell, at least the July 20 Plotters managed to kill a few Nazi officials and temporarily disrupt the government.

> The Germans treated him with great respect as a former German officer by bringing former Imperial German Navy friends to visit him with the intention of making him switch sides. Unrug responded by refusing to speak German, saying that he had forgotten that language in September 1939. To the irritation of the Germans, Unrug would always insist on having a translator present or communicate in French, even though he spoke German like a native. Unrug's spirit and unbowed attitude proved to be an inspiration to his fellow prisoners.

God bless this man

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you cant read. poland had no rights to the majority of the teutonic land, therefore they werent "backstabbing" the poles or anything. in the end poland won, since the teutons were overagressive and conquered land without having a historical claim to it.
>bait.png
why is it ok to hide behind them? we are talking about france, a country which systematically starved germans after ww1 and occupied a large chunk of their industrial potential, for pure revenge reasons.
are you using ad hominems cause you cant refute my points? should be easy if i am stupid

[Citation fucking needed]