What motivated various nationalists to betray their country and destroy the state that existed for hundreds of years...

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Not at all. Just a realist. The fact that Metternich needed to be extremely helpful have and needed the rest of Europe, especially all of the German confederation to be heavy handed should have keyed them in that it wasn't going to work. 1848 should have been a watershed moment, but it wasn't.

AH was still a state that existed off the predicate of Hapsburg lands in a time when society has moved on from that as being a credible notion for what constitutes a state, even their 1848 constitution was predicated on this. They were fighting against a growing tsunami, and hardly changed course. They were more of a sick man than the Ottomans. One that only lasted so long, because all the other powers kept propping them up

It now didn't predate Bohemia or Hungary

Now you ask yourself why many monarchies hated nationalism.

Did it predate the separate languages or the area?

Also didn't predate Croatia

>They were fighting against a growing tsunami, and hardly changed course.

>Constitutional adoption & federalization.
>Compromise of 1867
>Universal Male Suffrage.
Yeap, they totally weren't.

>in a time when society has moved on from that as being a credible notion for what constitutes a state
And this was? What? the Liberal Nation state?
Britain was 3 or 4 nations in one, Prussia conquered the other German states and ended their independence, meanwhile Austria was neighbors with fellow old empires Romanov Russia and Ottoman Turkey. Not to mention everyone had fucking colonial Empires.

Not to mention for much of the 19th Century, the crowned heads and conservative establishments of Europe thought nationalists were a bunch of hysteric cunts. Ironically the Political Right of today were the 19th Century's Lefties.

Ultimately what destroyed Austria-Hungary wasnt the inevitability of nation-statism, it was WWI.

>The Habsburg Empire predated each and every autistic nationalism movements within its ethnicities

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>nationalists to betray their country

In the case of nations like Croats, Serbs and Romanians it was the Empire that betrayed them.
They had been very loyal to the Empire for most of its existence.
It was Hungary that was the most disloyal and caused the events of 1848-49.The other non-Hungarian nations fought to keep the Empire whole. But after 1867 they were simply thrown to the wolves. Hungary was rewarded with a level of autonomy and influence the others could even dream of. Meanwhile. those who had always been loyal were just left with almost nothing.

And still most were loyal even into the 1910s but at some point they realized it was just based on blind nostalgia and had to follow their own interest instead.
The Empire started digging its own grave in 1867.

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>The Habsburg Empire predated each and every autistic nationalism movements within its ethnicities
Except Poles.
Excepts Czechs.
Excepts Hungarians.

Why would anyone want to live under some shitty inbred Germanic aristocat if you could have your own state and throw the Krauts out?

we have this thread every motherfucking day
dont you get tired of this

>Compromise of 1867

Only established parity between Austria and Hungary. The other nations were second class participants at best.

>Universal Male Suffrage.

Didn't matter to the countries that went independent since seats in the house of deputies were not distributed to population, but rather to specific holdings of the dual monarchy. Austria proper had disproportionate representation and everyone knew it.

The Bohemians were also mad that Czech wasn't recognized as an official language in the House.

>Why would anyone want to live under some shitty inbred Germanic aristocat if you could have your own state and throw the Krauts out?
Because being part of an empire is cooler than being part of a tiny country in the middle-of-nowhere. Part of the benefit of an empire is mutual security; if one part of the empire is attacked, then other parts of the empire will be mobilized to defend it. If you're on your own, then you can easily be bullied by slightly larger neighboring countries.

The death of Austria-Hungary doomed south-eastern Europe to irrelevance.

>muh blob
Fuck off EU4 historian

this
hungarians oppressed croatia even harder following their chimpout. they censored the shit out of our language and heritage. also consider the fact croatians fought loyaly for the empire in every war and got nothing in return.

>Because being part of an empire is cooler than being part of a tiny country in the middle-of-nowhere.
Sorry but as Pole I disagree.

>Part of the benefit of an empire is mutual security;
Except it isn't. Nationaities in AH were subject to discrimination by Krauts.

>The death of Austria-Hungary doomed south-eastern Europe to irrelevance.
Poland was and is pretty relevant to European politics.

>And still most were loyal even into the 1910s
Don't know about others, but Poles treated AH as just a lobby room before going into independence.

> poland
> relevant

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>Poland
Dead since the partition
>Czechs
HRE. Also BTFO since Blia Hora.
>Hungary
Ingrates literally saved by Habsburgs from the Turks.

blame napoopan and nationalism

> poland
> relevant

Look up where Second World War started, where Bolsheviks got defeated after First World War and where Soviets faced resistance that led among others to their fall.
While Poland isn't a superpower, it isn't an irrelevant country.

>Dead since the partition
Not to the Poles. Also you are forgetting Duchy of Warsaw/Congress Poland and countless uprisings.

Poles didn't want to live in a foreign state and AH was a foreign state to them.

If Austria-Hungary hadn't been broken up, Poland wouldn't have been occupied by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

People weren't dicriminated in A-H because of their ethnicity. NATIONALISTS got persecuted, sure, but modern nationalists act like every little peasant back then was a nationslist which is just comical.

>universal male sufferage

What are you smoking nigga? The percentage of voters was well under 10%.

No we weren't "saved" by the hapsburgs, it was a united effort, neither of us could have gotten rid of them without the other.

>If Austria-Hungary hadn't been broken up, Poland wouldn't have been occupied by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.
A prison remains a prison, no matter how comfortable.
Austro-Hungary means no Polish state. And it's better to have a state and fight for it than live in gilded cage.