is there any possibility that a coup could be successfully undertaken in a modern first world society?
Is there any possibility that a coup could be successfully undertaken in a modern first world society?
Caleb Martin
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Alexander Cox
Democrats are trying their hardest to test that hypothesis with Trump. Not thinking about the potentially devastating consequences of course.
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James Gray
>democrats NEED to pull a coup
Trump hasn't done anything to dissolve the massively overblown amount federal appointees by Obama
the institutions of power are still beholden to democrats, we're basically just in transition from obama to our next half-black overlord
Austin Fisher
Agreed. I figure that the "Elites" wanted Trump to be elected to provide a catharsis for the Far-Right and prevent them from actually trying to start another Civil War (and unlike the Left, they actually have the organization and the weaponry to do it). Hence why they started a media war against him that they knew would trigger a public backlash.
If Clinton had won, the anger over that combined with the existing discontent with the Left's seeming victory the culture war, might've pushed many on the Right might decide that they have nothing to lose by starting a Civil War to topple the US Government (which would promptly degenerate into a brutal Turner Diaries-style race war). Trump is there to keep them in line.
What the Right really needs is a John Brown-style accelerationist.
Hudson Myers
We know it's you, Petraeus.
Prepare for purge.
Jacob King
>unlike the Left, they actually have the organization and the weaponry to do it
Doubt it. Aside from loads of far left westerners traveling overseas to fight for left leaning militant groups, most right wing militias have been cracked down on since Wacko, gradually and in post 9/11 America, they are hardly what they used to be. Loads of those groups drank the Bush-era "patriotism" and basically worship anything in a uniform and would never engage in a militant uprising against the U.S government when it comes down to it.
Henry Young
Define "modern" and "first world" first.
If you are using the Cold War defintion of First World, Turkey had a successful coup as late as 1997, and an attempt in 2016.
Jackson Turner
>If Clinton had won, the anger over that combined with the existing discontent with the Left's seeming victory the culture war, might've pushed many on the Right might decide that they have nothing to lose by starting a Civil War to topple the US Government (which would promptly degenerate into a brutal Turner Diaries-style race war).
I think that's waaaay too exagerated a course of events.
Kevin Ward
Why is her" dick bulge bigger than his? I thought they didn't have traps that far back.
Jack Diaz
>Aside from loads of far left westerners traveling overseas to fight for left leaning militant groups
LOL since when? The 60s? Hell, even the most vehemently anti-government Leftists were unwilling to go to Vietnam to fight on behalf of the North.
>most right wing militias have been cracked down on since Wacko, gradually and in post 9/11 America
Sadly true.
>Loads of those groups drank the Bush-era "patriotism" and basically worship anything in a uniform and would never engage in a militant uprising against the U.S government when it comes down to it.
Also sadly true. Although Obama reversed that trend to an extent. Sadly, with Trump in power, their influence will likely wane yet again. Hell, even Alex Jones is starting to sound like a pro-government shill these days.
Robert Howard
I guess I'm asking if things like information age technology make beauracracy impregnable or undismantalable (not a word I know)
also, as mishima got me thinking, is a modern army one that has not collective interests other than to get paid and reitre alive? like does anyone join the military because they believe in something or is that a thing of the past?
Jacob Thompson
>nice modern first world society you've got there
>wouldn't it be a shame
>if ...
>someone launched a military coup and took power
Chase Torres
Of course. In fact that's the only kind of rebellion or subversion likely to succeed.
-It doesn't involve the populace
-Military is generally already backing it
-Doesn't immediately disrupt day-to-day life allowing public apathy to take root
-can even occur without public knowledge
If I had to pick a method to forcefully remove a government in a 1st world nation a coup would be it.
Cooper Butler
He was a chad, couldn't he have done better for himself than skeletor?
Kayden Lee
Brazil had a parliamentary coup a couple years ago
Anthony Harris
>might've pushed many on the Right might decide that they have nothing to lose by starting a Civil War
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how civil wars start. People don't just start shooting other people en masse over mere political disagreement. ESPECIALLY in a 1st world country people have A LOT to lose by going rogue and starting to shoot. They have a lot of creature comforts and a good comfy lifestyle they are putting on the line if they get shot or arrested.
The only way a 1st world nation would enter a real civil war would be if the military were somehow evenly divided and well funded by two camps of elites. Grass roots movements and militias will not pull it off.
Lincoln Hughes
>Brazil
>First World
Daniel James
You are fucking insane
Oliver Ramirez
The South Korean president was overthrown in late 2016.
Alexander Hernandez
many types of coups. an overt "revolt of the colonels" is impossible in US/EU
we'll see if the dems can pull off an administrative coup after the midterms. always possible US/EU
an accidental coup could occur if US is hit by 3 overlapping EMPs or by massive solar flair or any other elimination of the grid. if the constitution is suspended for natsec purposes. impossible in EU.
was jfk's death a coup? only poss. in US
all other scenarious require open hostilities.
Cameron Morales
while the civil war was fought on ideology, there are no real conflicts of material interests between americans, nor is there strong enough ideological differences that americans are not ready to just settle 'democratically'.
on top of dependence on consumerism, americans are just not capable of letting go of their comforts to fight something they don't personally deal with often.
Jose Jones
Are you implying Russia isn't 1st world?
Cameron Ortiz
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Christopher Reed
The Republic will fall to her new Caesar. It's happened before, it can happen again. It just takes one beloved General.
Jacob Hill
I hope it's Mattis.
John Long
There would need to be some sort of massive crisis, another 9/11 like event or serious war at the least.
Joshua Davis
He was more inclined to sucking dicks than pounding pussy
Jackson Lee
>an administrative coup after the midterms
Lol what?
Easton Jones
Even comparing 9/11 to historical calamities to befall empires, it doesn't match up. Cannae was one of the worst disasters to ever happen to Rome, and it was still standing. 9/11 was just a couple of buildings getting blown up
Justin Morgan
Russia and allies are the second world
Thomas Perez
You have no idea what a coup is if you think democrats trying to get trump impeached= a coup
Back to pol you go kiddo
Nathan Ross
McClellan admittedly toyed with the idea while commanding the Army of the Potomac during the Civil War.
A second civil war would be create the kind of social upheaval where that might be possible, assuming it doesn't completely obliterate the United States a country.
Trump's supporters will see it as a coup and react in the predictable manner (with violence).
Jonathan Reyes
>The only way a 1st world nation would enter a real civil war would be if the military were somehow evenly divided and well funded by two camps of elites.
Well the US Military arguably has that problem right now with the large number of personnel who have admitted that they will revolt if ordered to use force against their own citizens.
>Grass roots movements and militias will not pull it off.
Not on their own, no. But they can most certainly get the ball rolling. It escalates in a snowball effect from there.
Adam Perry
>Trump's supporters will see it as a coup and react in the predictable manner (with violence).
People being stupid as fuck doesn't mean the definition has to adapt to them
Nathaniel Reed
>McClellan
>Potomac
Bully boys, hey!
Bully boys, ho!
Hudson Scott
I do not think a coup could be successful today, but you wouldn't need to have one anyway
you don't need a coup to violently change a government these days, all you really need is to assassinate a handful of high ranking politicians. and all you need for that is a decent bolt-action hunting rifle, which are legal in basically every modern first world society
this is why it's foolish when americans say they need their AR15s to prevent tyranny, they don't, all you need for that is a bolt action rifle
Hudson Brooks
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