Why don't more people self diagnose and treat themselves?

>you act like doctors themselves are infallible
how the fuck did I act like doctors were infallible? how do you go from my statement that random people fuck up when doing self-diagnosis in their own home to "doctors are infallible"?

anyway, I agree that you shouldn't blindly trust your doctor, but you also need a doctor in many cases, because you simply don't have access to the necessary equipment without a doctor. plus they're professional, do it every day and will in the vast majority of cases do the job better than you. but then can still be wrong, and some doctors are without a doubt shit

Some physical traumas yes. Most diseases no. I figured out a damaged nerve in my arm once by googling which part of the hand it delivered feeling to. Stretched it out following instructions and sorted it out in a week.

(lost feeling to 2 fingers due to trauma to elbow)

But googling "i feel dizzy" and coming up with cancer is basically as stupid as you can get. Which includes most cases

objectively your phone has more medical knowledge on it then a whole room of doctors

don't be a fucking sucker

Good luck getting a script or a treatment plan from your self diagnosis lol

>Fat persons diagnose themselves as slim and their food intake as low.
Seems to me that self-diagnosing works just great.

Yep just go on WebMD and diagnose 100 diseases, infections, viruses, disorders, bruises and bring them all to your doctor, they LOVE it.

This is akin to saying

>You have google, why don't you just fucking build a rocket?

Technically possible, lot's of effort tho and you WILL make a mistake.

Objectively your phone has more knowledge than a room full of engineers but I'm not about to drive my car over a bridge you try to build.

>quit smoking
>get a cough and some tightness in chest after a while
>use google
Oh well guess I have like 4 different kinds of cancer

Doctor here. I like to say something along the lines of "I like how you really got into that." or "You seem to know a lot about this stuff." when a patient comes to me and tells me his diagnosis. Doesn't mean I give a shit about their opinion or respect them.

Try telling an electrician what's wrong with the electricity in your house and see how he reacts.

I went to the doctor recently with weird migratory abdominal pain and basically told them I was a hypochondriac, they agreed and prescribed fiber+exercise lol

because every symptom leads to cancer

This, litterally because they force you to

Workers being replaced by machines? Fine. Doctors being replaced by algorythms? Can't have that

Look... I'm a doc, I no longer practice clinically because there is more money in business, but I can tell you point blank: no you cannot.

The amount of info you need to get a correct diagnosis cannot be figured out by a lay person with google. You do not know what you are looking for.

I mean go ahead and try, it's your skin, but you'll fucking kill yourself. That's why "unlicensed practice of medicine" is a crime.

(((Prescriptions)))

Constipation is the most common cause in our surgical emergency walk-in clinic.

"Psychosomatic" complaints are about 30% at the neurological emergency walk-in clinic.

Unspecific chest pain is about the top complaint at internal medicine walk-in clinic.

For ophthalmology it's subjective visual loss.

For psychiatry it's "wants to talk" or "inner restlessness".

There are just so many more people that aren't really sick that even though each of them has a lower chance of coming here than has a truly sick person much more of them come here.

Also are you not eating your oats or what?

What is it that you do now?
Don't most doctors lack the killer instinct and are too overly book smart to make it in business?

The features the algorithm would have to learn are so noisy and have such variety at different levels that I'm afraid you'd need a stronger gpu and larger sample sizes than available to fit a neural net that deep. You'd need strong unsupervised learning which isn't really a thing yet.

That's just it. I am overflowing with business-like instincts, medicine was always a poor fit for me. I am much better at dispassionately figuring out what spergs want to buy and then selling it to them.

Because i could self diagnose myself with all the signs of early onset prostate cancer right now and be completely wrong.

Self diagnosis is retarded. The most you should do is google the issue and then use that information to decide whether or not to visit a doctor

>had what i thought was a simple bruise on elbow
>swells and gets super sore and warm to the touch
>read online that its probably a bursa sac inflammation and that they're usually fine but sometimes it can be due to infection and they need to be manually drained
>go to doctor
>explain my elbow is swollen and just say "i figured i should probably get it checked out"
>confirms its a bursa sac inflammation
>prescribes tropical inflammation relief cream

so the state requires you to put your life in the hands of others, which might potentially kill you, instead of letting you take your own risks.
thats bullshit

>go through puberty with tons of stomach aches and feeling like shit
>visit every single specialist for many years
>went so far as taking meds that gave me gyno, stretch marks and depression
>have a moment of clarity and start investigating on my own
>find possible illnesses
>check with doctor, doesn't want to test for that
>go to another doctor, he accepts
>I was right
>go absolutely ballistic and contemplate killing every single moron I ever went through

The system is a big joke. Make sure to read, read, and read more about your condition before mindlessly swallowing the pill of the month you were prescribed.

It's bullshit if humans are entirely equal and the only thing separating you from successful medical practice is the arbitrary dictate of the state.

However, that's not the reality. Only a small minority of the whole white male population is intrinsically intelligent enough, dedicated enough, and actually well suited to the profession to be able to do a remotely good job at it.

Since actual smart people know equality is a lie, we recognize it's much better to take away your freedoms and force you to do what's smart, i.e. let somebody superior to you handle vital tasks that you are not capable of.

So then tell me what it is that you sell. Surely it is unethical if not illegal?

I'm a resident and I'm thinking about quitting a lot. But I know nothing else. Both parents are doctors. In medicine you just need to do what is defined, and the patience to learn what that is, it's easy if tedious. In business I imagine you need some kind of edge, I don't think I have any.

Doctors are openly using google their fucking selves so fuck you.

it also has more misinformation than a room full of jews.

WHAT WAS IT?!

No, what I sell is fully legal. So simple you probably have one in your house without even knowing about it, you never even question it. You or your parents probably literally own my product already.

You're right though, medicine is about being a sheep and doing what others expect of you, while business is freewheeling and in some ways extremely antisocial, you live and die by the sword.

Yeah nah fuck you cunt. Anyone i know who self diagnoses shit claims to have some sort of disorder or mental illness that they blame all their problems on when I'm reality all it really was, was a lack of courage and will power. They let their problems snowball into a knot so large that eventually they don't even know where to begin. There's nothing wrong with them really aside from just ignoring everything as it comes along to the point where wheb they try to identify it, the 900 symptoms they have all seem to point to one big thing, when it's really just a bunch of small things they ignored over time.

Because people think doctors are some sort of infinite database of knowledge that is able to perfectly match symptoms to disorders when this is simply not the case.

Real reason one should: technology like Xray and MRI are extremely useful in diagnosis and cannot be replaced by google searching,

Because I studied medicine for 6 years I can interpret the information in a more qualified manner than a person like you. You must be very young if you have such little respect or perhaps just such little knowledge of what skill and knowledge means and how vast and deep it is.

You probably also think that people in high positions are there mostly by luck and do not in general have particular, rare talents and abilities. That's the way people like you manage to maintain their illusion of not being inferior to people that most people are inferior to.

Just go on and diagnose and perhaps treat yourself, as a 15-year old it's probably nothing serious.

Eosinophilic esophagitis, related to several food allergies.

>The features the algorithm would have to learn are so noisy and have such variety at different levels that I'm afraid you'd need a stronger gpu and larger sample sizes than available to fit a neural net that deep. You'd need strong unsupervised learning which isn't really a thing yet.
>he actually believes this

Because the symptoms themselves are hardly the full clinical picture.

The symptom of Back pain may point to the diagnosis of Prostate Cancer in one patient but Mechanical/Muscle related pain in another.
The art of diagnosis relies on the full story and clinical examination (How do you look, certain signs visible on you).

The internet is wonderful to gain a better understanding of disease but pales to actually seeing the person. There are some diagnosis that are straight forward that I agree a simple google search could find but you run the risk of missing the more sinister shit.

Please read up about what it could be, it makes my job 100x easier but railroading on one diagnosis only makes it harder for us both and runs the risk of masking something more serious/less serious.

>T.Internal Medicine Resident
>T. Intern resident

Are you one of those people on the late night infomercial channels?

You still haven't told me what it is. Do you also talk with your friends about "the secret" and then share knowing glances hoping that people will give you attention because you have made the impression of knowing something valuable that they don't when in reality what you know is not really interesting?

Well the basis of medicine is rote and sheepish but the day-to-day clinical work will eat you if you're a sheep, also it has nice relationships with lots of different professions and specialties, people of all walks of life and character and capacity for all kinds of things, I think it has a certain charm to it that I can't imagine many other professions have. Like when the physical therapist tells you what he thinks is valuable diagnostic information.

t. Jew

I bet you're one of those people who think copper and magnets cure arthritis

Well I know a lot about the features but not so much about unsupervised learning.

Also fuck yourself with the greentext and the vapid replies.

> he actually replies something like the post I am referencing *laughing middle-aged women.jpg*

Well said. Normal people should be grateful that some people decide to sacrifice all of their lifetime to become a doctor, rationally it's not worth it.

final year MD student here. people have constantly proved themselves too intellectually incompetent to self-diagnose. Those that have the capacity too would rather just see a doctor for 10 minutes than spend 5 hours online trying to translate all the medical jargon. Also insurance companies would never let you self-order investigations, so you are out of pocket for an unnecessary amount of imaging and blood tests. Also you will have no way of getting treated without seeing a doctor who will sort out the diagnosis themselves. And if you think thats bullshit do you think it would work better if we have a bunch of retards ordering chemo for themselves and dying because they think they have a brain tumour.

You could say the exact same thing about almost any profession. Why do people pay for lawyers to defend them when they can research the law themselves? Why do people hire a plumber when they can read a book on plumbing and buy all the equipment online? Because it is A. massively time expensive and B. people are lazy.

But sick thread brah.

You're probably right, user. Why don't you tell me what's wrong with this patient?

75 year old male.

BP: 147/80
P: 80 irr.
O2: 93
RF: 25
Temp: 37.7

>Shortness of breath
>Wheezy breath sounds
>Can't seem to relax
>Chest pain

Is it

A.) Myocardial infarction
B.) Pneumonia
C.) COPD ex.

What medications do you prescribe? What do you need to take into consideration when adjusting dosage?

>Don't most doctors lack the killer instinct and are too overly book smart to make it in business?

Where do people get retarded shit like this from. The average MD grad would be a better businessman than the average bachelor of commerce grad. That is why consulting companies try to poach us. That is why there are numerous wealthy doctors in business, even though there is a super high retention in clinical work.

Here is the only generalisation about doctors that is easy to make: they are either a lot smarter, or a lot more hard working, or both, than the average person. They go into their profession partly because they want to use their insane SAT scores / GPAs / MCATs, partly out of interest, and partly because there are plenty of senior doctors making above 1 mil a year. I have seen numerous colleagues go into business and they generally smash it (and make a lot more than us clinicians and all of the normie fucks that are stuck in a cubicle).

Ask him more questions and check his body for pains and softness.
Ask him about his diet and if he smoked or worked any place with environmental hazards or uses any highly stimulating items.
Have a team on standby incase he is having heart issue.

budesonide and formoterol
wheezy gave it away
although I'm not in IM

although I would want to know prior diagnoses, which would probably yield COPD, and I would want to get cbc, look at CRP, and get an ecg

think about long-term side effects of corticosteroids?

chest x-ray also

maybe just again send to IM they'll figure it out

I'll do one.

Patient presents with sudden-onset left hanging corner of the mouth, slurred speech, drooped eyelid on the left, and weakness of the right extremities. What is the diagnosis? How do you treat?

Patient is indeed a COPD-patient with multiple exacerbations. Patient has diabetes so would definately need to check blood sugar for irrregular elevations. Would administring oxygen be a wise choice since the patient has respiratory issues or would we need to consider something else? Most patients seem to retain CO2 fairly easy.

Stroke and I treat by calling an ambulance yesterday.

>Slurred speech, R sided weakness but L sided facial droop
????????

L MCA infarct, not sure what to make of the L sided facial droop.

CT pronto and get alteplase/Thrombectomy in that bitch if Ischemic, call Neurosurg if Hemorrhagic.

>Be OP
>Be a fat retarded piece of shit (most likely)
>Have diabetes
>"Hah. I don't need to fucking doctor. I'll just self perscribe insulin."
>Die.

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Depends on his GOLD. Probably not as for COPD patients the incentive to breathe is mainly provided by oxygen partial pressure and not carbon dioxide partial pressure.

Steroid therapy needs to be critically evaluated in diabetes as it will likely worsen blood sugar control.

Telling me this patient has a stroke is like me telling you your patient probably has a lung problem. Where do you localize? How do you treat? What is the prognosis?

enjoy your subdural haemorrhage and malpractice suit

MRI of the head. Treat with blood thinners and/or surgery would be my guess. Prognosis depends on the time taken to evacuate the clot.

What is their dominant hand?

NO! Neurology consultant will not be happy!

He also has diminished touch sensation on the left side of the body but diminished sensation of pain on the right side. Does that help?

cCT is good, but before you get the alteplase you'd need to determine time of onset and NIHSS, also his prior diseases and medications. But you're doing okay for some faggot on Veeky Forums

Doesn't matter

Yes it does faggot, do you even clinical medicine?

Brain stem infarction?

We had a patient once who we suspected had a stroke but images couldn't find anything until a spinal tap revealed it was indeed a stroke but well into the brain stem or something. Can't quite remember. ALl the signs were there. Loss of balance towards the left. Noticable reduced power on one side of the body. Drastically reduced overall condition in just a few days.

t. Nurse

Tell me why you think it matters so I can tell you where you're wrong.

i agree
jews should be castrated and forced into labor until we get rid of that genetically inferior lineage aswell

Yes, congratulations.

Sounds like a Left sided infarct at the level of lower pons/Upper medulla
>Loss of Spinothalamic on L side but since it decussated lower down it presents as R sided Pain loss
>Loss of dorsal column on L side so Light touch would be preserved on the L sided
>Corticospinal tract is decussating/Hasnt decussated so would lose Motor outflow on L

The slurred speech and drooping which includes the forehead would be accounted for by damage to the Cranial nerve VII - XII nuclei.

But as user says here:
Most patients with brainstem infarct are zombies when they come in, it has a super shitty prognosis. Might as well be a vegetable.

Agreed, establishing dominance is useful when dealing with L side vs R side Cortical infarcts.

Yes that's great. I think these crossed brainstem syndromes are the height of the neurologist's euphoria.

Although the drooped eyelid was meant to be due to ipsilateral Horner's syndrome caused by affection of sympathicomimetic fibers traversing through the brainstem.

Actually lots of brainstem infarctions have a prognosis much better than say MCA infarctions, although of course size is decisive.

What you mean with dominance must be where the language centers are, and those are on the left hemisphere except for a small fraction of left-handed subjects. So if there is sudden aphasia almost always it will be left MCA ischemia. The question of dominance is mainly important before for example epilepsy surgery, where you want to be sure you don't make the patient aphasic (for that you do the great WADA test).

Well the only surgery for stroke is in malign MCA infarction, and that's controversial.

Whether you anticoagulate depends on the etiology, the only one you anticoagulate in the acute phase is carotid stenosis.

Prognosis depends on how fast you apply alteplase if you do, but more so on the location and size of the infarct and the initial neurologic deficit, also on how good collateral blood supply is.

>AMERICANS LITERALLY HAVE TO TRY AND SAVE THEMSELVES BY GOOGLING THEIR SYMPTOMS AND SELF MEDICATING

CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>Doctor using Google
Sounds like a nutjob.

I went to a doctor and he managed to fit in half a library in his cramped office. Cramped due to all the shelves and piles of paper no doubt. After some analysis he pulled out one of the tomes and checked it.
(I even got to look at the pics myself as he started searching for joint problems that fit the description.)

Medical textbooks with clear responsibility from a publisher > Google.

>"wow you fucking nerd lol"
>regards someone who managed to become a doctor
yeah haha :DD ebin :D

>doctors pretending they know how to dose any drug
>let alone dose a drug for a specific condition
scribble harder

Your insurance won't cover the cost of treatment without a prescription. The Jews have already thought of this loop hole.