The early kings of Hungary had Haplogroup R1a

Playboyize
Playboyize

The early kings of Hungary had Haplogroup R1a. This would include their first king Saint Stephen and their patriarch Árpád. But wait I thought the original Magyars were Mongoloids and today's Hungarians have no relation to them.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

user central asia was a giant interracial breeding ground.
Nobody cared if you had slanty eyes or not as long as culturally you were the same.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Early Hungarian kings were R1a despite being Finno-Ugric
Ottomans were R1a despite being Turkic

Further proof that Aryans were the ruling elite in all of Eurasia :)

Firespawn
Firespawn

the Ural is not mongolia nor central asia

RavySnake
RavySnake

haplo-autism is meaningless

FastChef
FastChef

Can we end this meme once and for all that "non-Indo-European languages aren't allowed to be white"?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Sargat culture had 2 R1a-Z93 and 5 N1c.
Árpád could have been descended from an original Z93.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Magyars today and historically have always been ethnic "Slavs". The only difference is they speak their own made up language which was stolen from Khanty-Mansi people and Turks.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Doesn't mean Slavs were the KANGZ
Besides they don't have the Indo-Iranian subclade of R1a

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Slav and R1a are practically synonyms.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Brainletski...

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

R1a-Z93 originates in Ukraine but is very rare among the Slavic populations of eastern Europe.
Sintashta and Andronovo were almost exclusively Z93 as were most early Scythians.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

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MPmaster
MPmaster

Now post one that isn't just Europe.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Indo-Europeans migrated across the world very early, they spread Horse domestication to the eastern peoples who were forest niggers before that. Humans take to the horse very fast, just look at Native Americas, many people still associate the horse with them, even though they had no horses until first contact with Europeans.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Ottomans

The deepdark secret of the Ottomans is that they were Greek con artists. 'Orhan' was actually named Stephanos, but his origins were covered up by Michael Kosses, a.k.a 'Kose Mihal'.
I learned these truths from the only honest Turkish academic before he was ritually murdered by his colleagues for stepping out of line.

happy_sad
happy_sad

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askme
askme

If R1a isn't the Slavic's native paternal haplogroup. What is?

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Bidwell
Bidwell

That doesn't make R1a synonymous with Slavic.

Inmate
Inmate

Figure out what subclades are and why it's impossible for KANGZ to be Slavic when they have a subclade unknown among Slavs.

idontknow
idontknow

He meant, post all R1a

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Playboyize
Playboyize

Proto-Slavs went to India and had sex with a bunch of women. 3500 years later Hitler and the Nazis we wuzzed as them.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Slavs aren't any closer to Sintashta on a PCA than Norwegians are. Haplogroups don't mean everything.

Evilember
Evilember

Ah yes, the ol' Proto-Slavic Proto-Indo-Iranians.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Haplogroups don't mean everything except when I want them to.

Flameblow
Flameblow

But wait I thought the original Magyars were Mongoloids and today's Hungarians have no relation to them.
According to Iaroslav Lebedynsky, the Magyar ruling class was Mongoloid, while the common people were Caucasoid.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Well the data in this study obviously shows that's not true. There's absolutely no way "Mongoloid" people 1200 years ago had Haplogroup R1a.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

They are informative about migrations but they don't tell much compared to autosomal DNA.
Y-chromosome is even in a normal scenario subject bottlenecks and founder effects more than other parts of the genome because only a fraction of men have children and some have 8 sons while others have 8 daughters.
With steppic cultures obsessed with paternal lineage there's naturally even more drift.
You're clueless. This R1a subclade came from the east.

FastChef
FastChef

Most of this is made up. We don't have any samples from Indo-Aryans, Proto-Iranians or Mitanni.

Supergrass
Supergrass

But wait I thought the original Magyars were Mongoloids and today's Hungarians have no relation to them.
I have no problem imagining Turkic or Ugric conquerors having this haplogroup, since their ancestors would have mixed with women from vanquished Indo-European tribes.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Reich does. There's gonna be some new paper out soon about it.

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

But I'm sure this map is not based on his research.

new paper
Nice, is BMAC or Indus Valley also there?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Y DNA Haplogroups are passed from father to son. Not mother to son. That's mtDNA.

farquit
farquit

One of the queens, who were basically all foreigners, could always cheat on the king with some Slavic or German courtier, paternal DNA is not that useful.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Women cheating and being hypergamous is a modern capitalist phenomenon. Classical women especially upper class would never do such a thing.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Ok, but where do slightly mongoloid-looking people ("Turanid") in Hungary come from then ?

w8t4u
w8t4u

ethnic "Slavs"
no such thing, slavs are a linguistic group

Bidwell
Bidwell

Nonsense.

Yeah, I'm curious why people believe that some distant descendants had the same haplogroup as the founder of the dynasty.

massdebater
massdebater

What do you think is wrong with the map?
I don't think Pajeets want to release Indus valley results but they have Central Asian DNA from 2000 BC.
If it lacks a steppe affinity relative to Afghans and Tajiks then Pajeet DNA isn't even necessary.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Like I said, it's mostly based on theories. We don't have any samples from many of those places yet.

Playboyize
Playboyize

But they do have the samples

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Indo-Aryan or Mitanni samples from 1500 BC? Can you show them?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

you see "Asian" looking white people all over Europe. finland, germany, bulgaria, france, romania, hell even iceland. i can provide pictures and examples if you want.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

iceland
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Emberburn
Emberburn

How could I possibly show them? The paper has yet to be released. BMAC is more important than Indo-Aryan DNA which is just generic mix of p-Indo-Iranian and whatever, probably BMAC.
Mitanni elite also were probably heavily mixed with Hurrians so not that relevant.

Firespawn
Firespawn

This map is not based on those new samples. It's a typical old Eupedia map.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Yes, but according to 20th century anthropologists, the Hungarian plain's population has a important Turanid strain.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Eupedia map
Dumb comparison. Reich has samples, Maciamo has autism.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

From Asia. What is more interesting is why Hungarians speak a Uralic language.

RumChicken
RumChicken

From Asia.
Yeah that's the idea my dude !

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

But that's map is from Eupedia.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Indo-Iranians were all over Asia, so it's not surprising.

FastChef
FastChef

No it's not. You might have the same thing as Maciamo.

JunkTop
JunkTop

What map are you even talking about?

This is from Eupedia.

whereismyname
whereismyname

He's probably talking about

Supergrass
Supergrass

This is also a map...
R1a Yamna folks(Polish autistic screeching intensifies) migrated to Ukraine/Moldova, mixed with farmers and then went on a tour across Eurasia.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

how legit is this?

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Booteefool
Booteefool

Not very since WHG and EHG are both forced into the red color and CHG doesn't have a color

King_Martha
King_Martha

thanks

viagrandad
viagrandad

WHG and EHG were very similar. It's basically the same population except EHG had some ANE and CHG admixture.

takes2long
takes2long

Not all EHG had CHG admixture just ones who lived next to the Caucasus. Samara EHG didn't.
K=10 clearly isn't enough to produce sensible results.

iluvmen
iluvmen

next to the Caucasus
Karelia isn't next to the Caucasus.

hairygrape
hairygrape

J1 doesn't mean they had CHG admixture as it could be an "Unknown HG" line which mixed with Basal Eurasians/Kebarans to form CHG and we have no idea how common it was in the general EHG population.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Was his grave different than others? I can't find anything about this. I know that some Karelian graves didn't have grave goods.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

WHG and EHG were very similar.

and CHG admixture.

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

It was like few percent.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Original Magyars weren't mongoloids but finno-ugric tribes that roamed east europe until they invaded Bulgarian Empire while exterminating the last Avars and settling in western Carpathia at pannonian danube which was a melting pot of south and western slavs of Greater Moravia and Carantanians.
So yeah, it's not very big suprize.

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Firespawn
Firespawn

Hungarians wuz crypto slavs who speak magyar, that's why they had good relations slavic nations like Poland, Croatia and Czech throughout history and didn't even assimilate slovaks for some manny centuries. Their also the least cucked europeans just like other slavs, so it makes sense.
Das it, thank you.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I would let her liberate me from the Soviet Union, if you know what I mean.

viagrandad
viagrandad

My hypothesis, the Huns came from the Xiongnu split. When they landed, they conquered some places, the closest to their people they could see were some of the uralic tribes. They choose them as liason for the locals and used their language to communicate with the outsiders/slaves. This might be why Hungarians speak Uralic.

5mileys
5mileys

But Hungarians came to Hungary 500 years after Huns

RumChicken
RumChicken

Uralic language

No one knows for sure what language family Hungarian belongs to honestly.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Ugric

Methnerd
Methnerd

Jobbik says that's bullshit. A Hungarian rock band even has a song about the Finno-Ugric theory being bullshit.

youtube.com/watch?v=6oIZSlHry2Q

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I'm sure this rock band knows a lot about stuff
Jobbik is notoriously turkophile. They want Turkish guys to come fuck Hungarian women.