Preventing Young Shooters like Elliot Rodger

He used Satan as a name for OP because of OP's post number, dummie.

>Please don't post "not Veeky Forums" because it is.

Insofar as politics/current events is Humanities. If only we had a board for that...

This post may or may not be good advice, but in order for anything it suggests to be implemented you would need better qualified teachers who are well-compensated for their work. That said, I don't agree with the idea that some of these sorts of situations couldn't be avoided by the guys in question getting sex with attractive women semi-frequently. Sexual frustration is a cause of emotional distress and that emotional distress leads to depression and occasionally that depression can lead to these sorts of homicidal rampages.

I'm not interested in post numbers. That sort if thing bores me.

>Preventing Young Shooters like Elliot Rodger

Stop doping people on psycho meds solely to increase the profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

Virtually all the mass shooters in the news were or had been on psycho meds, in many cases because the school system strong-armed their parents to put them on the drugs.

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Do other developed countries not have anyone on pschyomeds?

School shooters are literally just an American problem. It's not even gun-related.
Swiss are armed. Serbs are armed. Entire Balkans in fact. Zero school shootings.

>If only we had a board for that...

You know full well we don't. /pol/ is a dedicated funposting board firmly on the /v/-/tv/-/b/ spectrum. We don't have a current events board on the Veeky Forums-Veeky Forums-Veeky Forums spectrum on this site outside of /news/, which - not being an imageboard - makes it barely feel like a part of Veeky Forums.

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This doesn't quite work though, because while psychomeds (like Ritalin, SSRIs, etc.) have definitely seen a massive increase in use, they've seen this increase almost everywhere in the developed world. The US is the biggest consumer, but it's followed very closely by Iceland and Australia - neither of which can be pointed to as countries with major violence problems.

if everyone had people to love that loved them and some direction in life, none of this shit would be an issue.

>teaching socially awkward kids how to socialize. Especially stressing teaching boys how to talk to and respect girls (not in the SJW sense
Society would have to accept basic red pill truths that are politically incorrect in order to get this right. That is that men and women are different and a woman couldn't possibly teach an incel how to approach women properly. It would have to be a male teacher and that's "misogynist."

Too idealistic, OP. Public American education staff is shit and almost all of them care about as much as the students do. I think the best you can do is encourage cultivating self-reliance, make them aware they are not entirely the whim of society or their own feeligns and don't have to react self-destructively because of it. Maybe get them to stop treating getting pussy likes it's the ultimate virtue; plenty of men have found and value and self-worth outside of it.

Elliot Rodger has aspergers and he was sex addicted because of porn. Eventually becoming a nihilist when he realized he will never get married, have kids, and have a normal life like other people because he was socially disabled.

So he became suicidal and decided to commit auicide while also murdering some people so that he would be remembered on the internet at least and that his ideology of abolishing women in labor camps would live on.

So if you want to stop people like Elliot Rodger you would have to stop feminism, ban pornography, birth control, abortion, and end hypergamy in the west. While also providing good therapy for people with autism so that they could develop at least some normal social skills

Your post is one big non-sequitur.

How? He had a disability-so he failed at life an became suicidal and wanted to murder people to draw attention- to prevent this from happening we need to fix autism and end hyper sexuality in the west.

>The US is the biggest consumer, but it's followed very closely by Iceland and Australia - neither of which can be pointed to as countries with major violence problems.

'Straya has all kinda problems with violence, they just don't have the shootings we have because they've enacted draconian gun control laws. Can't comment on Iceland but I'd like to see a chart of psycho med usage world wide, if you've got one?

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>How? He had a disability-so he failed at life an became suicidal and wanted to murder people to draw attention
Yes
>to prevent this from happening we need to fix autism
We do need better treatments for disabilities.
>and end hyper sexuality in the west.
Non-sequitur.

im not going to speak for that other guy, but porn really is bad. you're brainwashed from a very young age to think that 9 inch dongs are average, that all women can deep throat those 9 inch dongs, that they like getting cummed on, that you deserve a (hot) woman like that, that that is what a normal relationship looks like. And then when you can't be those things or have those things, you wonder what's wrong with you. Wanking all of the time also demotivates you to chase after actual women, among other life goals.

Porn is a fucking epidemic and is bad for functioning society.

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Men have always had beauty standards, user.

Australian gun control didn't do anything to reduce their homicide rate contrary to what gun control advocates would have you believe. Nor can it be credited with the reduction in mass killings either, as such things can be done without firearms.

Sure they have. The problem is the excess and over-exposure to this type of debauchery that's the problem. We didn't evolve (think hunters and gatherers) in such a saturated environment where 1) we were exposed to massive erections literally every day and 2) where a harem of women awaited us, subservient to our every whim at the drop of a dime.

Porn is not good for us user.

>Projecting your personal traumas and insecurities on society.
kys. We should prevent exposing children to this kind of things and also educate teenagers so they can handle this kind of experiences in a healthy way; so they don't become autistic fags like you, user.

What this guy saidAnd also, the problem with men not being able to get decent quality pussy easily can be traced back to the illegality of prostitution. Change that and you can expect at least some of the sexually frustrated nutjub phenomenon to go away.

We've had readily accessible prostitutes for a damn long time though.

Ban guns you stupid burgers

>>nutjob
derp

Prostitutes weren't available at all times, plus they are the real deal, and again, no dicks (except your own) in sight in that case. relatively normal considering what we have today.

That won't stop people from going on killing sprees. Also read this

maybe I am projecting. that doesn't make it any less true. Why the fuck do you think nofap exists? Why the fuck do you think an entire movement of anti-porn sentiment has come into existence over the past decade? There are plenty of people that see the truth.

>>Prostitutes weren't available at all times,
They were available more often then not.
>>plus they are the real deal
Define real, make up has existed for thousands upon thousands of years.

>They were available more often then not.
They cost money, they have to sleep and eat, you have to travel to see them (more money/time)
>real deal
I mean actual human beings, not pixelated ones

Elliot Rogers wasnt an autistic he was a narcissist. He had alot going for him and people did everything to try and help him out (loving/wealthy parents, good therapist, family friends giving advice on dating, college education etc) but that didn't matter to him because he wasn't getting laid. Even with all those resources he didn't make any effort to pursue relationships or offer anything, he just believed they should gravitate
To him because he's the 'supreme gentleman'

>maybe I am projecting
You totally are.
>There are plenty of people that see the truth.
There are plenty of autists with little to no social skills indeed,

i've fucked plenty of women and have fulfilling relationships. Looking back I can certainly see how porn has affected all those relationships though, and abstaining from porn has improved those relationships.

>i've fucked plenty of women and have fulfilling relationships.
You sure have.
>Looking back I can certainly see how porn has affected all those relationships though, and abstaining from porn has improved those relationships.
Well, good for you, lad.

Fuck off incel. Nobody owes you sex

stay addicted friendo

What is this, your first day on Veeky Forums? Fuck off back to r/history

This attitude isn't helpful at stopping future events like this. Legalizing and destigmatizing prostitution would be, as would making insurance companies cover sexual surrogate therapy in their health plans.

There’s no denying that a ‘Strayan teenager hopped up on psycho meds has a harder time getting his hands on a gun then a ‘Murrican teenager hopped up on psycho meds.

But the problem isn’t guns, it’s a drugged up population.

>takes ur gunz
>takes ur meds

problemo solveedo chieferino

>>They cost money,
No shit? The only reason why decent quality hookers in the US cost so much(300$ and up) is because of the potential legal issues which leads to an artificial restriction of supply.
>>they have to sleep and eat,
No really? I had no idea about that oh wait yes I did. Why in the fuck do you think this would even be a problem?

>>you have to travel to see them
Not if they offer outcalls.

you have to travel to see them (more money/time)

>>They cost money,
No shit? The only reason why decent quality hookers in the US cost so much(300$ and up) is because of the potential legal issues which leads to an artificial restriction of supply.
>>they have to sleep and eat,
No really? I had no idea about that oh wait yes I did. Why in the fuck do you think this would even be a problem?

>>you have to travel to see them
Not if they offer outcalls.
Fixed, sorry about the fuck up with the quoting before.

Stop projecting, laddie.

>as such things can be done without firearms.
Quoting yourself is kinda arrogant, but appropriate in this case.
>>a drugged up population.
I do agree that SSRIs are over-prescribed.

>gets offended from discussion about prostitutes

I think you failed to see my point, which was: prostitutes are far less easy to access than a browser

even if prostitution is legalized.

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who you calling laddie, kiddo?

Who are you calling kiddo, buddy?

I'm down with those
But my point still stands. Maybe someone should have beat the whiney bitchiness out of Elliot Roger. He did it because other incel non-men said society owed him something, a woman. He's the one at fault, not women. He treated them like inferior sex objects (prizes for his "good demeanor"). That's total bullshit. There's always compromises and trade-offs in the dating world. I'm not going to argue that women have it harder because they totally don't, but that's no excuse to throw a deadly tantrum

I'm not really offended, I was just amused by the idea that you think hookers needed to sleep or eat would ever be a serious issue restricting the average schlubs access to them.

>>I think you failed to see my point, which was: prostitutes are far less easy to access than a browser
True to a certain extent, but the problem now is that our country makes them far harder to access for the average person then they would be otherwise.

>>Maybe someone should have beat the whiney bitchiness out of Elliot Roger.
Wouldn't have helped, of course that guy had some sort of serious mental issues so my solution probably wouldn't have helped either. I was referring more about sexually frustrated depressives in general.

Make arranged or semi-arranged marriages acceptable again. Opening up alternative paths to fulfilling relationships besides dating would mean less young men slipping through the cracks.

Back in the 80s and 90s, there was an epidemic of teen suicides. The news media made a deal amongst themselves to stop reporting on them, to prevent copycats and to avoid glorifying them for other depressed teens.

Roger Ebert felt the same way for these massacres. The media loves a shooting, since they can use it as a soap box for ratings and political leverage. Nevermind the fact that all the coverage gives the shooter exactly what they wanted: validation, attention, and power. These things would be less common (they aren't common now, they're rare, just not as rare as they are in other western countries) if the news didn't make a spectacle of it every time just so they can get some political points out of it.

>degeneracy
Shut the fuck up.

Well true that. Sexual frustration does lead to violence. In college I peer-reviewed a paper about how sexually repressed teenagers were much more likely to join gangs.
What mental illness did he have? I thought Elliot was just a huge narcissist?

>Opening up alternative paths to fulfilling relationships

it's been swell guys, going to go marry my pet goat now. BYE.

The problem is lack of proper(healthy/successful) socialization. At least for the beta male types. They need to be taught how to socialize proper at a young age. They must learn how to fail properly and how to succeed and be rewarded properly. Lack of such development creates problems of handling social situations.

As for the other guys, its also similar but different.

You joke, but there is literally nothing wrong with consensual bestiality

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>you like it in your ass, don't you bitch?
>bahhh
>yup, that's consensual

What's this? Some sort of counterpoint? TK was a literal Chad, a complete opposite of a beta

>goat does not fight back or try to flee
Sounds pretty consensual to me :)

ted would say that the goal is not to socialize, but to overthrow society. In other words

>socialization
>they need to be taught
>they must learn
>development
>the SYSTEM
>NO

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Remember that Paleolithic people used to carve pornographic figures out of ivory and probably beat off to them.

What the fuck is your problem?

yeah and that was exponentially more difficult than opening Google Chrome I assure you lad.

And even then the level of debauchery wasn't even close to what we have today.

Epic counterpoint

don't rely on other people's weakness to defend yourself. It will come no matter what you do, it is the mortal coils of man, to be forced into conflict.

Ted as a baby was isolated in hospital due to health issues. This development changed his mindset quite a bit, but this eventually subsided as he was raised in normal childhood. EXCEPT when he was transferred to 7th grade and skipped 6th grade. This was when he was once again kept in social isolation due to different age group.

It is social isolation and lack of proper social development that causes these scenarios. Ted himself probably knew the cause too as when he was shown an image of his time in isolation as a child, he recoiled.

Parents need to understand that when their child is being bullied, they need to work with that situation and change school/work with proper authorities to fix this. Not doing this leads to "shyness" or "loner" behavior where there is no one to ask help and the child develops a very strong self-reliance. This led Ted to believe that social structures are a problem (bullied/isolated) and self-reliance was the solution (himself as an example).

t. Lucifer Morningstar

4. Are they being raised by a single mother ?

How did you get better user?

Incidentally animal empathy or more accurately sympathy for animals (against human treatment) is strong in such.

single mothers, what a fucking laughable concept.

You need a man and a woman (or otherwise two people that love each other) to raise a man.

This, I can saw beyond a shadow of a doubt that fucking /pol/, and my time on that part of this website as an edgy teen fresh out of middle school did more to develop me as a person than porn, especially porn done by pornstars.

this unfortunately

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>Quoting yourself

This ^ is a dumbass.

Right broad premise, wrong specifics.

Humans are animals. We need to learn how to set boundaries properly. Socializing teaches that and how to handle situations.

Even ants do it. Its a primal pattern in life (and possibly chemistry itself)

>stop feminism, ban pornography, birth control, abortion, and end hypergamy in the west. While also providing good therapy for people with autism so that they could develop at least some normal social skills
We should be trying to do accomplish all this anyways desu

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We literally just went through having an aspie bombing people all over Austin. No guns needed to kill two people and injure another, throwing the entire city into a panic.

>this retarded meme argument again
>harder to construct a bomb and mail it than it is to buy a gun and shoot it

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If you ask me, the uptick in mass shootings is a sign of American society's impending disintegration. As the divide over ideology and religion increases and the economy stagnates, society starts to hemorrhage people who lose all desire to fit in and who increasingly desire to destroy or get back at it. Some latch onto an ideology to give themselves an "excuse" for lashing out, other simply lash out. This entire country is basically an overheated boiler ready to burst and mass shootings are equivalent to the pressure valve leaking. They're just people who are ahead of the curve. And of course their actions contribute to societal collapse as the right-left paradigm becomes more toxic.

I'm certain that if you looked at the Russian Empire, Yugoslavia, or Somalia, you would find a similar pattern of increasing numbers of people going berserk and committing extreme acts of violence as they edged closer to societal collapse.

Our last Civil War was arguably brought on by someone of the mass shooter mentality, John Brown. Brown had been a failure at pretty much everything in life. He latched onto the abolitionist cause to give his life meaning and it in turn, fed his rage and desire for revenge against those he believed were at fault for his misery and the misery of others (the institution of slavery). Bleeding Kansas introduced him to like-minded people and he was able to eventually gain a large enough following to launch the Raid on Harpers Ferry. While the attack failed, it won Brown the admiration (and infamy) he had long sought. Although he didn't live to see it, Brown's actions had a cascade effect that culminated it in the deadliest war in American history.

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go back to whatever sub reddit you crawled out of.

much interesting ty

You're the one talking in broad terms. I went into specifics about gender differences.

If nobody owes it, and nobody gives it, then I'll just have to take it.

See? That's how rapists are made.

>he can't make a bomb and leave it on someone's front step in less than 3 days

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that's not the point my retarded plebbitrino princess

In fact, the point is that most people would not have the will to learn how to and then to construct a bomb. It is much easier to simply buy a gun and go on a rampage. Do you now understand my feeble-minded sow?

Who's a good sow? You are! Yes you are.

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