Wars Of The Roses

>King Henry has no brain
>Marries a french woman for a truce
>gives away half his french territories for it
>the french wait 20 seconds before breaking the truce
>england has no territory left in france except calais
>OUR LAD BRAVE DUKE RICHARD is annoyed about this
>makes himself protector of the realm
>french bitch is mad about this
>fucking all of the Kings council
>King is suddenly not retarded
>sacks Richard even though he was doing a great job
>King wants are brave Dick to come to him and swear allegience
>Richy refuses unless the King gets rid of the councillors drilling his wife every night
>King calls him a traitor
>York kicks his fucking ass
>doesn't overthrow him because he's too nice for his own good
>French bitch comes back with a bunch of scots
>The brave sir richard is tragically killed and his head is mounted on a pike
>His son avenges him, ruins french slags life kills her bastard son and rules peacefully for many supported by his most loyal brothers and succeeded by his beloved son
>The House of York rules to this day

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He mentioned what his main source was, but I forgot, it must be written somwhere in thearchive.
In the very first thread maybe.

This is from memory so keep that in mind.

Essentially it all started because Henry V died young, leaving his infant son Henry VI on the throne. He grew up surrounded by advisors all vying with each other of access and control over the king. Because they were so busy backstabbing and fuck over each other, the English war effort in France started to buckle and then collapse. The now grown Henry VI suffered what was probably a nervous breakdown and was bedridden for several months. One of the kings advisors the Duke of York was put in charge until the king recovered. York starts to point out uncomfirtabke facts like the coubtry going to ruin under Henry and how he actually has a better claim to the thro e anyway. More back stabbing and politics happens until there's two key factions in the English court, the Yorkists and the Lancastrians. Henry recovers abdctheres a few battles between the two sides until they agree that Henry will stay king for the rest of his life, then York (or more likely one of his sons) would be king.

This however means Henry's own son Edward of Westminster would no longer become king. Enter his mother, Henry's wife and queen, Margaret of Anjou.

Are you by any chance from York?
Also what exactly does 'House of York(/Lancaster)' actually mean? What are the divisions based on, when did it start?

>Also what exactly does 'House of York(/Lancaster)' actually mean? What are the divisions based on, when did it start?

They're cadet branches of the Plantagenets
One branch lived in York and the other in Lancaster

This is like GoT

Why did they form and when?

>York had better right to rule
I don’t get it, Henry vi was the son of Henry v

‘Lancaster’ started when the king’s son married into the wealthy estates of the heiress of Lancaster, the first Lancaster is actually the main branch
Just like Henry V’s predecessor predesccor is seen as the first yorkist

Henry IV deposed Richard II

Henry V was the son of a usurper, York was the older branch of the family.

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I've heard rumours that Henry VII is illegitimate as his ancestor was merely a servant in the royal household who had an affair with one of the royals

No his ancestor was legitimised but they were suppoused to waive their rights to inheritance

Wow that is complicated but thanks user

Why is this so low res

And Edward the IV is supposedly the bastard of a Longbowman, so Tudor marrying his daughter to secure legitimacy achieved sweet fuck all.
Richard III was the last true king of England.

Wait until I get to the athletic young nobleman who takes the throne to avenge his murdered father and brother, then grows old and fat.

>muh channel (fuuck the monarchy) 4 documentary
KYS FAGGOT
Parliament does more than a kings act
A vote of the people does more than an act of Parliament

I seen it on one of Baldrick's documentaries actually.

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Basically, one day, three centuries after the French conquest, an English king finally spoke English natively and this magically made him a Lancaster

>Henry's mother was Blanche, heiress to the considerable Lancaster estates, and thus he became the first King of England from the Lancaster branch of the Plantagenets and the first King of England since the Norman Conquest whose mother tongue was English rather than French.[3]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_England

No, retard, it's because a cadet branch took control after Richard II was deposed and people were named for their titles.

Edward III, a pretty great king, had multiple sons, one of them being the famous Black Prince (his heir), one of them Lionel, another one the Duke of Lancaster, another one the Duke of York-

The Black Prince would follow as king if only he had lived a bit longer and did not shit himself to death.
His son followed logically as king, but did not have any sons.

His next male relative was the Duke of Lancaster, he was also stinking rich, so when he finally died, King Richy wanted all that sweet money, at which he was dethroned by the son of the Duke, who then claimed the throne himself, beginning the Lancaster Dynasty.

While he was the next male, still Lionel (long dead and with just daughters) was the brother between the Black Prince and the Duke of Lancaster, and according to some retarded anglo inheritance law, called Cognatic Primogeniture, woman obviously should stay away from the throne but can bequest a claim to the throne.

In short, anyone marrying the daughter of that Lionel fellow (which would be the Earls of March) and get a son, would with this have a better claim to the throne, despite not being royal themselfs.

YOu should see George I getting the throne of GB

>retarded Anglo law
Except the same had been done in France this is how hugh Capet came to the throne

Why was Richard II deposed?

In theory the Earls of March have the superior claim, in praxis noone gave a fuck.

The Lancaster Kings, Henry IV, V and VI followed each other, but with the last one shit was hitting the fan, the War with the French went bad, then really really badly, anarchy began to break out at home.

In short, people began to wonder anew how legitimate the Lancaster dynasty was.

And here entered the Duke of York, the only living Plantagenet prince left after the king himself.
His father had married the Earl of March heiress, making him another Plantagenet branch like the Lancasters, but this time with the better superior claim.

As Henry VI was for a long time without children, York only wanted the follow as heir, which might have worked out, but as the king finally got a son, the whole thing moved towards civil war.

And thats how the war started.
The Anglos decided to forget the Hundred Years War and rather kill each other for the next three decades, until a random Welshman married a York heiress and had some claim to the Lancaster heritage, thus 'unifying' both sides in the new Tudor dynasty.

Was the wars of the roses one of the reasons England faired so badly in the late HYW?

He pissed off too many of his nobles.

He also wanted peace with France, a peace treaty that would have doubles the initial english territory in France and to unify christendom against the turkish menace, so the english lords rebelled and killed him.

No, it began five years after the HYW ended.

The HYW itself was one of the primary reasons for the Wars of the Roses, as it undermined royal authority and prestige, ruined many noble families and was too expensive for a somewhat poor country like medieval England.

What was the problem with Henry VI? Why did he have a breakdown?
Why does he look like Stephen Fry?

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>somewhat poor country like England
Je suis retard
He was a gay

Why was Medieval England poor? Was it the constant warring and absolutist nobles?

England was far, far poorer then France back then with a sixth of the population or less.

Remember that its 14th century England we are talking about not 18-20th century England.

They just could not pay for a permanent war like that, very much in contrast to later conflicts where they always were able to outspend their opponents

Imagine being the son of the great hero Henry V and everyone expecting you to be a great, bloodthirsty warrior king like your ancestors. Then you fuck it all up.

Must be pretty difficult living up to the legacy of a conquering warrior king played by Kenneth Brannagh

Except parliament procured such high taxes and the English wool trade was king
It’s what happens when French witches steal your soul
Both Crécy and Agincourt were battles where they meant to flee

Not poor itself, just with too little population too small towns, too little landholding class to pay taxes in contrast to a powerhouse like France.

In todays terms its something like Italy or Spain, sure richer then many others, richer then they deserved to be for their population and territory size, but compared to the US or China or Russia its another story.

Again, they are rich enough to win in the short and middle term if the opponent fucked up (which is exactly what happened in the Hundred Years Wars), but going to war decade after decade and at some point your enemy will get his shit together, and sure as hell it was over in an instant.

What the fuck is the Earl of Warwick's deal?
>the man i fought tooth and nail to be king marries one of the enemy so I'm going to overthrow him by joining the French wife of the guy i deposed

So basically they were poor because they were small in every sense of the word?
How did the per capita economy compare to France? If there is a great difference, why?

ROYGBIV

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i always thought that painting was really cool but really funny at the same time, like i imagine both houses arguing with eachother and waving roses around saying "this means WAR!"

The battle of Towton is the deadliest battle in England
28,000 died

>going to war over flowers
Was it autism

Not sure.

I guess it was smaller then the french one, as the French were highly urbanized while the English were a rural society. But then again the French had their mix of poor and rich provinces, while the english ones were probably on roughly the same level.

He had spent months trying to secure a marriage for Edward with a continental princess and was utterly humiliated in what should have been a moment of glory when he turned up to announce it only to find out Edward has been secretly married all along. Then Edward started giving titles and land on the Woodvilles which was a step too far. Warwick initially tried to put his son in law on the throne, it was only when that failed did he go to Margaret.

Dude, flowers are serious business

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>tfw you buy a shit load of Tullips before November than sell them on February 2nd
>tfw profit
Plebs are just mad they don't know how to play the market.

Well gratulation, if you had that idea some four centuries earlier you would be stinking rich

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I have successfully grown a tudor rose in my garden

But i won't show you because it's a secret
Here's one i made earlier

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DUKES OF YORK DID NOT LIVE IN YORK
All of their wealth came from the Mortimer inheritance, and it was concentrated in Wales, Welsh Marches and Ireland.

House of Lancaster was the wealthiest aristocratic family of 13th-15th century England. Its founder was the first earl of Lancaster - Edmund, the second son of king Henry III and younger brother of king Edward I. He grew up in the period of internal stuggle between the king and a party of dissatisfied noblemen, led by Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester (who was also brother-in-law to king Henry III). The king (or rather his son - prince Edward) eventually won the conflict, members of the Montfort clan were killed/banished/disinherited. Huge part of the confiscated land was given to prince Edmund, making him by far the richest nobleman of the realm (see pic attached). Edmund's grandson Henry, who lived during the reign of his cousin king Edward III, was elevated to the rank of the duke, the second person in England to achieve such an honour after the Black Prince. As duke Henry had no sons, he his willed his immense fortune unto his son-in-law John, who also happened to be third oldest son of king Edward III.

Henry III, king of England
- Edward I, king of England
--Edward II, king of England
---Edward III, king of England
----John, duke of Lancaster; x Blanche
-----Henry IV, king of England
- Edmund, earl of Lancaster
--Thomas, earl of Lancaster
--Henry, earl of Lancaster
---Henry, duke of Lancaster
----Blanche; x John, duke of Lancaster
-----Henry IV, king of England

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Is that John Of Gaunt?

I've heard the interpretation that the war was a victory for the Welsh people because a Welshman (Henry VII) rose to the throne and apparently he did a lot to put the Welsh on an equal footing with the English, unlike the Irish.

That guy is holding the rose furiously, meanwhile the chap on the right is drawing a dagger

He was a moron.

Yes

His mum was mental.

He should've claimed he was descended from Arthur, he was welsh after all

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He called his son and heir Arthur you know.
It´s just hat he died.

The guy on the right is actually killed by the one on the left (actually, being attacked and certain to be executed he rather choose to die in hopeless fighting)

He did claim to be Mab Darogan, a Welsh Jesus-like figure who was prophesied to liberate the Welsh from the English. He did in a way...
He also named his son Arthur, funnily enough.

Fun fact: he was named that, because the first question when he was born was 'ART U A GAL OR LAD?

The events of the painting never actually happened but are based on Shakespeare.

The two factions meet in a garden and take roses of different colour to show their allegiance.

PLANTAGENET

Let him that is a true-born gentleman
And stands upon the honour of his birth,
If he suppose that I have pleaded truth,
From off this brier pluck a white rose with me.

SOMERSET

Let him that is no coward nor no flatterer,
But dare maintain the party of the truth,
Pluck a red rose from off this thorn with me.

Good play though. The BBC production with Benedict Cumberbatch got me into history.

Imagine being such a deluded anglo that you believe your country was relevant back in the XIV century. Poland was probably more relevant by then. Even by the time of Henry VIII englad was still a marginal player in europe, which everyone could blatantly see whenever the king attempted to go to war in the continent.

And people say England never had a continental empire...

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14th century England controlled this...
Next to the HRE it was the most powerful western European kingdom

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Holy shit, is this real?
Damn, i used to give Anglos shit for not having a continental empire but wtf

That's the Angevin Empire. It's essentially a French empire.

>ywn be a Yorkist longbow man at towton

>1360
>Angevin empire
Huh?

Pretty sure the kings of England were still from the Angevin (Plantagenet) dynasty in 1360

Well memed, samefag
This dumb map combines England owned by Denmark and England owned by some French region

It wasn't England having an european empire, it was european empires having England

Yeah, but the Angevin empire ended in 1215.
That's the lands taken by England in the HYW, it doesn't change anything if you call the monarchs French

Wrong

Right

Nuh uh

No it was john Galt

Game of thrones

>no Normandy
Wew lad
W8 do bobby not killing THE WHOARRRR is what started the war of the roses
Also holy fuck only just realise daemyrs is suppoused to be Edward Vii so will win this war

>Edward VII
I don't think so

Trump is a Scot.

Sorry Henry VII