Who here /keto diet/?

>absolutely 0 long-term studies on the effects of a ketogenic diet

millions of years of humanity

>longest living
>healthy

If you want to live longer you should cut your balls off, it extends your lifespan by 14 years. You’re basically already doing that by being a vegan anyway though.

You can actually eat normal food on keto you know?

It doesn't have to be >le baconz and cheez thrown in a bowl for every fucking meal.

Yes

What are your results so far?

What supplements should I take during keto?

Keto causes loose skin

>eggs, cheese, black pepper
>not normal food
[autism intensifies]

who talks like this?

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honestly look how you're interacting with another person right now, what the fuck are you doing?

you are the typical redditor alright

do you take any salt or supplements during the fasts?

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Yeah, I put salt in my water a few times per day and take 400 mg magnesium.

lmao yeah dying of heart disease at 70 must be great

I've done it a few times but I can never sleep when I'm on it. Now I just avoid carbs during the day but have a bunch at night so i sleep well.

Dying at 70 doesnt sound too bad actually.

Now I'm a W I S C O N S I N B O Y but lookin at that cheese made me diarrhea all over my Jew name underpants

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Your average fat Americlap seems to be good at staying alive long enough to breed too, but you and I both know how healthy their diet is.

you mom sucks chock in he'll

just as bad as a vegan, kiddo

>absolutely 0 long-term studies on the effects of a ketogenic diet

There have been humans on keto at least part of the year for thousands of years.
There are absolutely 0 long-term studies on the effects of the 'modern' diet. What you're eating right now is very different from mainstream food 20 years ago. Meanwhile people are getting fatter. If anything, by following a normal diet, you're taking part in an experiment of which all indications are that it's bad for you.

>longest-living populations are primarily plant-based with a tiny bit of meat

Actually the populations in Japan with a longer life span than the average Japanese consume less carbs and more fat and protein.

latsbrah and the ifbb pro who I'm training with (who is muslim or something) are the only guys I know that recommend high carb, low fat (and low sugar) and they both hate jews

fuck why do I always forget to attach the pic
always make my posts less credible

>mfw cousins husband managed to fuck up his blood pressure thanks to ketoing

Sucks to be on keto if you can't have pork.

Ketofag here. Yeah it seems pretty effective. Lost about 80lbs on a balanced diet, started to plateau so decided to try the keto. Down to 103lbs gone so far and to be honest, it's making a nice change in eating habits.

First few days kinda suck. The keto flu thing is real, felt drained and literally ready to collapse after day 3 (also 12 hour shift which probably didn't help).

After that though, good! Sleep seems better, appetite is always like a monster in the morning - but black coffee and gallons of water help - and then after that, my appetite is so low for the rest of the day that I have to make myself eat.

When I do though - (I stick to about 1500 calories a day) damn, it's satisfying. Bacon, eggs, mushrooms cooked in butter, steak, chilli (no onions sadly cos too many carbs) etc. It's pretty fucking nice!

I know there's reports out there about the negatives and I'm aware of them, but the positives seem to outweigh the downsides. Also, I've done 1 cheat week (holiday) back on carbs and a few days where something non weight-related got me depressed as fuck and I just didn't give a fuck and each time, bouncing back wasn't that hard.

So yeah, recommended. Oh and it works great with IF (I've even done a few 24 hour fasts without too much difficulty) so that helps too if you're trying to dump weight.

>meanwhile the longest-living populations are primarily plant-based with a tiny bit of meat
The Japanese and Southern Europeans eat a shit ton of meat.

They don't, but the Japanese that live the longest eat more meat than the average.
Both Japanese and Mediterranean Europeans eat a lot the good fats.

>Japanese
> shit ton of meat
何the fuck?

Wrong.
They eat a lot of stuff from the ocean

Pork, beef, chicken, fish and eggs (yes I know those aren't meat) Soyboys btfo.

CARB THE FVCK VP

I didn't know that 3% of your diet coming from fish and the rest being vegetables was considered "more meat than average"

>doesn't understand biochemistry

Heart attack and prostate cancer diet you mean?

Whenever I go on keto for a while and then switch back to carbs they make me sick as fuck for a few days.

>eating in 2017

They make me shit & fart like crazy when I go back to them.

I think when I finish my keto cut, I'm going to keep carbs pretty well in check. Seems like every time I eat a carby meal I get super tired too.

Now THIS guy gets it!

Supposedly keto makes your farts extra ripe. Confirm or deny?

This diet is fucking garbage all it did was make me feel tired, constipated, and make fapping feel worse.

Modified keto diets are better in my experience, ie carbs before and after workout, staying around 50g to 100g a day only from complex and vegetable sources,

Yes, It's because you eat more proteins

How should you exercise during keto?

I don't get keto logic.

>some foods that have carbs are unhealthy
>therefore all food that has carbs are unhealthy
>some foods that have fat are healthy
>therefore all foods that have fat are healthy

Just because soda and candy are bad for you doesn't mean oatmeal and beans are bad. And just because nuts and fish have healthy fats doesn't mean cheese and eggs are healthy, much less processed meat like bacon that seem to be a staple in keto even among people who think it's a healthy diet.

I've done keto multiple times, it works. fock the h8eighters

You know what else works? Any other diet where your daily energy expenditure is greater than the calories you take in.

What exactly is there to live for at 70? If you haven't done what you came here to do in 70 years you should probably just off yourself desu. Thats plenty of time to have kids and grandkids too.

What will you be doing past 70 besides being a burden or watching the world burn around you.

you're a ray of sunshine aren't you, you nihilistic piece of human garbage

That's exactly why lazy people live keto, they think those simple rules describe all nutritional info they'll need. In reality people lose weight because they're cutting out entire good groups that they used to gorge themselves on; eating less means less calories. Same reason fasting works, you're just not physically eating like you used to

Anyone else have unexpected benefits as side effects of going low carb?
>Immaculately clean shits due to all oils being digested instead of passing through gut
>Toilet paper consumption reduced by 90%

If you take care of your health and stay active your life is far from over at 70 Years old .
Longest living people are often the one with the longest healthy living span too .
People who die at 70 because they never bothered to keep their health in check start to live an awful life full of illness around 55 , only allowed to stay alive thanks to modern medicine .
Those who make sure to live healthy all throughout their life and stay active very often live past 80 & are still very active even soon before death.

Yeah, fuck nihilism and fuck you too pal. I've seen enough family members being kept alive in a post dementia/stroke/heart attack state by a whole cocktail of drugs being watched over by stangers in an old persons home.

That's a completely undignified way to go, those people were better than that.

it's about life quality. the people that die at 70 due to poor health likely did not have the same quality of life at 40, 50, or 60 as a person who is actually healthy. and 70+ is the perfect time to read loads of great literature :)

not that you shouldn't always be reading, but ideally there will be even more time to do it at that age.

that's my plan anyway.

You realize that for 9 out of 10 people this is personal choice right ?
Dementia/stroke/heart attack / needing tons of drug to stay alive , ALL of this is personal choice made throughout life .
Smoking won't give you lung cancer in 2 week , it'll kick in years later , same shit for heavy fat & meat consumption & laziness /sedentary .

People CHOOSE to be unhealthy , nobody is unaware of the risk of sedentary & unhealthy dieting

They're in that position due to shit life choices lmao tard

that's their fault isn't it. you can still be in great health at 70.

>Go keto
>Have to piss and drink constantly

Why, Veeky Forums?

Because it's a diet so healthy that your body become shit at retaining fluid and constantly flush out its own electrolytes .

You faggots do realize that chronically low cholesterol is also a risk factor for heart attack and stroke right? That living past 70 or so is very heavily tied to genetics and telomere length, right?

>muh genetic
No fuckers , it's tied to years of healthy habits .

And you won't bring your cholesterol too low with a healthy diet .

Unless you take cho meds while having a healthy cholesterol level that doesn't require it you can't have "too low" cholesterol

Yeah keto+squatty potty makes for godmode shitting

i've found the opposite. since i started i've seen improvements all over the place from improved skin to better mood, but i am now constipated :(

I'm just doing a clean eating and sobriety challenge with my room mates. I have never eaten so many veggies so consistantly in my life. I had grilled venison burgers with no bun for breakfast.

i've basically been living on eggs, bacon, beef, and vegetables for a month. feel fantastic!

No it's not, you retard. Look up reverse causation and survivorship bias.

I'm sure you're bringing in low cholesterol into the discussion because that's what happened to your family, instead of a shitty western diet.
I guess the longest living populations on earth happen to be that only because of muh genetics and they're only coincidentally mostly plant-based, eh.

I found that correctly supplementing magnesium helped with constipation. And Idk if it's the magnesium or the diet in general but I am getting restful sleep for the first time since I started puberty. 5-6 hours and I wake up feeling awake. Normally I could sleep 9+ hours and still feel exhausted when I wake up. It's amazing. I don't even need to lose weight and I ate a very "healthy" med-style diet before. I have so much more energy now.

magnesium is a great sleep aid. fact.

So much cringe

If you aren't hitting your carb macros with beer, you're doing it wrong

...says the reddit numale

What supps should I be on?

>give me some good tip for starting keto

Cz low carb high fat seems to be linked with poorer cognitive performance but greater confidence for some reason

Please outline which societies were doing keto
>in 4 paleo
>any traditional society which will ACTIVELY avoid fruits veg starchy veg & grain as an energy source for survival

I somewhat agree with you on the 2nd part, but you confuse the modernization of our food system (fastfood, pre packaged meals, processed foods and convenience foods) vs better availability of fresh produce. The modern diet using the Western diet as a proxy has been very very well studied, but whats tricky is defining what that is. We just usually assumed its a lot of processed crap. Fruits veg and grains will not kill you (unless you got some underlying condition/allergy).

On that second point you highlight, most of that would come from plant matter still. More fat and protein can simply mean they eat more while grains/seeds/nuts etc, the nutritional profile of what they eat is hardly a useful indicator. The Okinawan diet which was credited to the people’s longivity was heavy on sweet potatoes. Of course no one from that area eats that way anymore, while their life spans have “normalized” to be comparable to the rest of the Japanese population

I can't even imagine what all your farts are like user.

Our teeth are like monkey teeth. What are monkeys? FRUGIVORES. Eat your vegetables kids!

Whenever I see keto foods it makes me wanna puke.

breaknutrition.com/paleo-diets/
ketogenic-diet-resource.com/
zerocarbzen.com/

Reminder that keogenic diet is the natural state of humans

Reminder that human beings need not a single carbohydrate to live

Reminder that jews in the 70s literally pulled slander about meat out of their ass and the whole world bough tit

Reminder that your body can get all it needs from animal sources and plant sources/grains are where 99.99% of your dietary intake of pesticides and carcinogens comes from

>have to make your body sick to lose weight
>being healthy and losing weight

pick one.

Jesus christ, I've never seen someone being that stupid on this board. Bro, you need a break.

>breaknutrition.com/paleo-diets/
>ketogenic-diet-resource.com/
>zerocarbzen.com/

LOL

>Reminder that keogenic diet is the natural state of humans
What the fuck? Thats why we have glycogene stores in our muscles and liver. Idiot.
>Reminder that human beings need not a single carbohydrate to live
Haven't been proven yet that you don't need them because one one was able to live fully 0 carb. Its just mental.
>Reminder that jews in the 70s literally pulled slander about meat out of their ass and the whole world bough tit
Not true. Reminder that Nazis were mostly vegans.
>Reminder that your body can get all it needs from animal sources and plant sources/grains are where 99.99% of your dietary intake of pesticides and carcinogens comes from
Sure. We can't absorb protein, fat, and vitamins from plants/grains but we sure as hell can pesticides and carcinogens. Honestly dude you are fucking stupid and I'm sorry for you and your life.

Water fasting for me got alot better after watching this video by the King of Veeky Forums.
youtu.be/-s-xjsR89XI
Pretty much explains how much sodioum and potasium to take while water fasting. I always had issues past day 3 but not any more.

so is the typical meal like ground beef, sausage or 2, bacon, veggies, and then put cheese on top?

Don't know, ever since I'm on keto I haven't farted

desuarchive.org/fit/thread/42721225/

a ketogenic diet IS LITERALLY THE WORST POSSIBLE DIET, without exception.