>Recent genetic studies have demonstrated differences across populations not just in the genetic determinants of simple traits such as skin color, but also in more complex traits like bodily dimensions and susceptibility to diseases. For example, we now know that genetic factors help explain why northern Europeans are taller on average than southern Europeans, why multiple sclerosis is more common in European-Americans than in African-Americans, and why the reverse is true for end-stage kidney disease.
>I am worried that well-meaning people who deny the possibility of substantial biological differences among human populations are digging themselves into an indefensible position, one that will not survive the onslaught of science. I am also worried that whatever discoveries are made — and we truly have no idea yet what they will be — will be cited as “scientific proof” that racist prejudices and agendas have been correct all along, and that those well-meaning people will not understand the science well enough to push back against these claims.
>This is why it is important, even urgent, that we develop a candid and scientifically up-to-date way of discussing any such differences, instead of sticking our heads in the sand and being caught unprepared when they are found.
>Africa was the original cradle of humanity, where the transition from apes to hominins took place more than 2m years ago and where anatomically modern humans evolved about 300,000 years ago. But the genetic evidence leads Reich to challenge the conventional view of one-way traffic out of Africa. He proposes an alternative scenario: the first migration of hominins (Homo erectus) into Eurasia 1.8m years ago led to substantial evolution of archaic humans there too. Some of them then moved back into north Africa, where they became the primary founders of the population that later evolved into modern humans. While this is unproven, Reich writes, “the evidence for many lineages and admixtures should have the effect of shaking our confidence in what to many people is now an unquestioned assumption that Africa has been the epicentre of all major events in human evolution.”
>Some discoveries made through ancient DNA have unwelcome political resonance, which Reich is not shy to discuss. For example, in 2015 German authors threatened to withdraw from a scientific paper about the spread of Corded Ware people associated with Yamnaya culture, until the text was revised to make clear the distinction between the new genetic findings and the way the Nazis had used Corded Ware as a basis for German national identity. “The Nazis’ interest in migrations and the spread of Indo-European languages has made it difficult for serious scholars in Europe to discuss the possibility of migrations spreading Indo-European languages,” Reich laments. “In India the possibility that the Indus Valley Civilisation fell at the hands of migrating Indo-European speakers from the north is also fraught, as it suggests that important elements of South Asian culture might have been influenced from the outside.”
Parker Williams
>David 'Reich' Sounds legit.
Nathaniel Garcia
>Germans >Corded Ware >Cordeds were all R1a ancestors of Balts and Slavs
Nathan Murphy
He literally states in the article that race is a social construct
Joseph Hall
>all advanced ancient cultures created by other people >whites were barbaric hordes from the east who stole their inventions (oldest wheel from old Europe, bronze from old Europe/Maikop, writing and urbanization from Middle Easterners) >they also caused the destruction of many advanced ancient civilizations and cultures in apocalyptic events that make the fall of Roman empire and Bronze Age collapse look like a school shooting White genocide can't come soon enough.
Thomas Foster
>David "Thousand-Year" Reich Why is this allowed?
Parker Anderson
>Cordeds The scientific term is cordoids.
t. Science man
Jacob Allen
>Cordeds were all R1a ancestors of Balts and Slavs Actually, new research is finding the Corded Ware Culture, much like the Yamna culture to be more R1b.
Anthony Lee
>Short Version: Race is real and so is sex Uhh sorry, that's not the same thing as what he said
Easton Hall
>making shit up
William Peterson
>other interview >yeah, we mixed in the past so it's okay to mix today, our research are actually pro-immigration
>btw, 70-90% of the original European civilization was replaced by hordes from the East >yup, we thought a genocide on this scale was impossible, but yup, it happened >it has nothing to do with modern world, though, those 50 million Africans won't change our continent
Aiden Long
The joke is that David Reich is actually a Jew
David Bennett
>You will sometimes hear that any biological differences among populations are likely to be small, because humans have diverged too recently from common ancestors for substantial differences to have arisen under the pressure of natural selection. This is not true. The ancestors of East Asians, Europeans, West Africans and Australians were, until recently, almost completely isolated from one another for 40,000 years or longer, which is more than sufficient time for the forces of evolution to work. Indeed, the study led by Dr. Kong showed that in Iceland, there has been measurable genetic selection against the genetic variations that predict more years of education in that population just within the last century.
Try again leftypol. You can't be a man trapped in a woman's body either.
>Old Europe wasn't White despite being in the range of White populations >The Middle East wasn't Whiter than it is now
Hey leftypol.
Wyatt Baker
It's funny how /pol/ now calls him based but when he commented about Cheddar man and original Britons being replaced they called him a perfidious Jew.
David Phillips
>and so is sex You needed a geneticist to tell you sex is real? How else would people be making babies if it wasn't?
Grayson Sullivan
The Cheddar Man wasn't a Nigger and is in the range of White populations.
There are differences from birth onward between men and women. All the way up to the brain. Lefties deny this hence the worship of trannies.
Jonathan Gutierrez
Reich never called him a nigger.
Jaxson Adams
>There are differences from birth onward between men and women. I mean it would take a large amount of ignorance to not understand basic human anatomy.
Lucas Richardson
I know that. Media and Lefties went full WE WUZ since they worship Niggers along with trannies.
Tyler James
You say that, and yet Lefties worship trannies.
Sebastian Sanders
BBC and other Anglo media think every darker skinned person = nigger. Even on this board you see retards claiming that Romans weren't white just because they weren't blonde and blue eyed.
Joshua Rodriguez
I mean they might worship trannies but I'm pretty sure the entire point of trannies is that they don't like their biological sex. Which means that biological sex is a thing, otherwise there wouldn't be able to dislike it.
Dominic Lee
Nice cherrypicking user Just ctrl+f right in the article, he flat out states it twice that race is a social construct..
Brayden Nguyen
>look race is real genetics proves >cheddar man isn't a nigger the genetics are wrong HURR
Ayden Ward
Blame Amerifats and their Nigger worship.
They're at the point of getting triggered when you suggest the sexes have different leanings that impact choice in careers (see the STEM gap). And advocating having kids prepare to be trannies with help from drugs.
Angel Ramirez
>race is a social construct does that mean i am a chinese man even though my parents are from europe
Juan Hernandez
>Blame Amerifats and their Nigger worship. Anglos in general. Britain and Canada are just as retarded as Ameriblobs with their coon semen slurping.
Jason Mitchell
>Yamna Pretty much German ancestors
>Mediterraneans and West Asians create civilization and spread it to Europe >Yamna/Cordeds/Beakers destroy it >Mediterraneans once again try to recreate everything from the scratch (Minoans-> Mycenaeans) >Yamna-like Dorians destroy everything >Romans influenced by Etruscans recreate civilization creating the greatest empire on Earth >Germans mixed with East Asians along with their long lost Indo-Iranian mutant brothers destroy it once again >Dark Ages >Mediterranean culture survived and reappeared as renaissance and the enlightenment >Germans create romanticism glorifying their barbaric past and destroy Europe in WW1 and WW2 >Old Roman ideas about unified Europe reemerged after the apocalyptic conflict >Germans decide to destroy everything once again, this time with African migrants Will someone stop them?
Anthony Harris
>being a non-ironic Afrocentric
Did you even see the paper on Cheddar Man's civilization? Show me the clustering with Niggers.
Papuans are niggers imho, yet genotypically very different from niggers. But if you see a papuan on a street you're gonna think bigger, because races are still social constructs. It's why there was so much autism on whether Italians and Irish were white, and why still most Americans today don't Turks, Levantines, Arabs, Persians, Pashtos, and Pakistanis as white even though they share the same genetic cline.
Ayden Reyes
>Papuans are niggers No they're not. And phenotypically he didn't resemble a nigger in any way other than having a dark skin, his skull is fully Europeans. >most Americans today Most Americans are not white to begin with.
>and why still most Americans today don't Turks, Levantines, Arabs, Persians, Pashtos, and Pakistanis as white even though they share the same genetic cline.
None of them cluster with Whites.
Matthew Thompson
I feel the same about black genocide. It's already happened before and should happen again for the sake of modern society. The funny thing is, they'll do it to themselves like they always do.
Camden Foster
>It's why there was so much autism on whether Italians and Irish were white There wasn't. Commonly repeated myth but easily debunked.
James Morgan
Lefties can't grasp the idea that Whites can be treated worse by other Whites without them turning into honorary Niggers. Regurgitating too much privilege narratives with Whites being in some club they hang out together keeping the Pee Ohh Seas down.
Austin Morris
England usually shows up right between Germany and Scandinavia on genetics maps
Daniel Clark
Yeah, they keep confusing privileged social groups with biological categories and pretending they're the same thing.
William James
You're an idiot. There's literally primary sources of Benjamin Franklin calling Germanics swarthy. Whiteness is a social construct
Carson Evans
An Irishman and a Spaniard have more in common genetically than a Nigger does with either of them.
Elijah Rodriguez
>51 post >10 IPs The absolute state of OP and his thread.
Cameron Clark
Yup, but that's not because of Norman invasions but rather because of earlier Bell Beaker invasion which replaced the Iberian-like farmers in Britain. Since then Britons have been really similar to Central Europeans.
Wyatt Nelson
No one's denying that. But race is a social construct. Even the geneticist states it clearly in the article. Try to learn exactly what that statement means instead of automatically flipping a shit whenever you see it, you might learn something
Aiden Ortiz
>muh Benjamin Franklin! Every fucking time. Don't bother noticing that Irish were legally considered white, and that no scientific racist at the time who actually published in scientific journals thought they were not white, no, it's always fucking Ben Franklin and a single essay his wrote. All of your "evidence" boils down to that little thing.
Jackson Morris
>this is tumblr
Caleb Myers
>German >Yamna >R1b
R1b-derived cultures are Celto-Italic.
Robert Wood
It's a buttflustered Amerimongrel wewuzer from pic related who always creates threads about how everyone's actually black and then samefags to death. When opposed he always pulls the "BUT HERE IN AMERICA WE THINK THAT X IS BLACK" nonsense. He's been doing this for years.
Germs mixed so much with them they are mostly R1b. And is Celto-Italic even a thing anymore?
Cameron Roberts
When Reich's lab or an affilated one finally gets a paper out on Predynastic to Old Egypt or Vedic India, how much triggering will there be when We Wuz Kangz finally dies? Like if the Egyptians turn out to be more or less Bedouins.
Juan Collins
>Bedouins I bet they will be Natufians + Anatolia + some North Africa.
Cameron Roberts
>Vedic India He basically said this already.
>“In India the possibility that the Indus Valley Civilisation fell at the hands of migrating Indo-European speakers from the north is also fraught, as it suggests that important elements of South Asian culture might have been influenced from the outside.” This is even worse, because it implies that Indus Valley collapsed due to Indo-Aryan migration (which probably means that it occurred a bit earlier than we thought).
Christopher Roberts
This is interesting.
>W. B. Henning suggested that the different endings of the king names resembled case endings in the Tocharian languages, a branch of Indo-European known from texts found in the Tarim Basin (in the northwest of modern China) dating from the 6th to 8th centuries CE, making Gutian the earliest documented Indo-European language. >Sumerian sources generally portray the Guti as an "unhappy", barbarous and rapacious people from the mountains – apparently the central Zagros east of Babylon and north of Elam.[10] >This identification of the Gutians as fair haired first came to light when Julius Oppert (1877) published a set of tablets he had discovered which described Gutian (and Subarian) slaves as namrum or namrûtum, one of its many meanings being "light colored" Apparently they also brought horses to Mesopotamia
It's likely that Sumerians and Akkadians were also fucked by Indo-European steppe tribes.
Ethan Wilson
>thread is literally europoors crying about whiteness Lol
Eli Gonzalez
>Like if the Egyptians turn out to be more or less Bedouins. Ancient Egyptians like other Afroasiatic people will be Iberomaurusian(North African father) + Iran Neolithic(Basal Eurasian mother). The farther you go back the less admixed with Basal Eurasians they will be.
Logan Phillips
Those are some different guesses.
James Ross
>Jews are the master race, goyim. Genetics proves it. Also, buy my book. Damn, what a brave scientist.
Ethan Adams
>Race is real and so is sex
Not quite as modern Europans are heavily racialy mixed and aren't a discrete race.
Jordan Fisher
There was no whites. That was result of sexual selection after ANE-related admixtures into anatolians and ehgs/shgs.
Leo Morgan
It's not funny anymore, I'm just tired and disgusted of these cretins by now.
Austin Cruz
>range of White populations
WHG is pretty far outside of modern genetic variation of Europeans.
Ancient Egyptians had more Natufian than Iberomaurusian, albeit Natufian can be modeled as Iberomaurusian/morocco_iam+Anatolia farmer but without West African admixture.
Jordan Bell
You might as well complain about how no one but the Nazis thought Slavs and Jews were more undesirable than other "races" such as Africans and Arabs.
Ian Perry
Taforalt was similar to modern Horners (Afar) and SSA admixed Yemenis.
Daniel Russell
Also according to this Natufian, Anatolia_N, Iran_N, Levant_N and even WHG, all had East African admixture(ghost basal eurasian?),
Alexander Hill
>ME was never white we wuzzer Neither was Europe. Native Europeans were black skinned. Modern aren't due to heavy admixture and population replacement by invaders from West Asia, Central Asia and Siberia.
>pretending the ME doesn't have extra Nigger blood
>is some leftypol
Grayson Sanders
>No one's denying that.But race is a social construct.Even the geneticist states it clearly in the article.Try to learn exactly what that statement means instead of automatically flipping a shit whenever you see it, you might learn something
During mesolithic clearly differentiated races existed for some time but after the LGM ended, people started race mixing again.
Ayden Morris
Yeah Show me the archives. Pretty sure baste had been a joke for at least two years now.
Dominic Roberts
>Reich >steals history from Balts and Slavs Checks out.
Jaxon Hall
>>BedouinsI bet they will be Natufians + Anatolia + some North Africa
They also have recent east and west african negroid (but some BedouinBs don't have it) and some even have so ASI.
Brayden Rivera
Corded Ware were origin of Balto-Slavs and Indo-Iranics. They were also R1a and no amount of wishful Kraut thinking will change that.
Dylan Fisher
>? Like if the Egyptians turn out to be more or less Bedouins
We have some Ancient Egyptians DNA and they seemed to be slightly less basal than modern BedouinB. AEs were BedouinA without west african.
Austin Cruz
north africa already had ssa blood
Nicholas Morales
>North Africa is the Middle East
Try Mespotamia or Israel.
Carson Fisher
>north africa already had ssa blood
They had paleo-african (West) admixture but according to admixture from Iberomaurusian study all MENA farmers had East African admixture
Chase Taylor
>mixing archaic mixture with modern Niggers
Minorities like Jews have less Nigger blood than Muslims.
Ian Parker
>all had East African admixture(ghost basal eurasian?), It is indeed right if you ignore archeological evidences.
Natufian culture originates from the fusion of the Mushabians and the Kebarans, the Mushabians were Iberomaurusians who migrated into the Levant and displaced the Southern Kebarans. This minor Hadza-like admixture is easier explained by the mixing of the Mushabian-derived Natufians with West Asians than a full-blown East African population mixing with West Asians.
Imo this Hadza-like admixture was transmitted as follow: Iberomaurusian > Mushabian > Natufian > PPN > Anatolia N/Iran N > WHG
Mason Allen
>heavily racially mixed We're talking about Europe here not USA
Nolan Green
sure but my point still stands. e1b1b and j2 aren't european
