How is it that an entire Hemisphere of the Earth can be so irrelevant to human history?

>Arabia and Europe are one
I think a better new continent would be all of West Asia, including Anatolia, the Caucasus, Arabia, and Persia, as well as parts of central Asia, to meet Europe, and maybe India.
This could be known as Asia, since it's really all that the ancients called Asia, as they didn't know much of the Far East.
Then East Asia can get a new name.

A submarine base

Now compare the two.

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...I don’t get it

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> Very bad for the proliferation of good crops.
You should take a bus trip in Argentina´s pampa humeda. Now is basically soybean because it´s the cash crop now, but it used to be wheat, you can grow anything there

I'm talking in a historical sense you melt

I think he's trying to say that there are very few areas in the southern hemisphere that aren't tropical/equatorial
it's stupid though because the northern half of the triangle had plenty of significant regions.

Don't you guys need some pretty intense irrigation running all the way from the Andes to make those farms work? Or am I thinking about something else?

>triangle
... rectangle, obviously

Most of the southern hemisphere isn't like that. There's less land than in the north in the first place, and most of it is too hot.

No, pampa humeda (it means something like wet flatlands) receives around 1000 mm of rain by year.

That's Peru where they need vapor farms in the desert

>Contains only a 1/3 of the Earth's land area.
Gee I wonder why

Its not "north vs south" but rather the equater is a shitty place for civilization. All the major civilization took life just beyond the equater zone.

So why didn't civilization took root in the southern part of the land beyond the equator? Not enough resources/land and they were not connected either. If you look at the north, there's north africa, middle east, northen indian, china, southern europe. These are all connected. The total landmass connected in the north dwarves the southern landmass, let alone being connected.

There's the Mali empire and the Swahili coast

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Whom?

Pretty much this. Jared Diamond is a meme but his general concept was fine.

Do you fucking know where Mali is?

In sub Saharan africa

What about the Zimbabwe kingdom

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...West Africa,user

>disconnected, tropical, and smaller than the northern hemisphere. Very bad for the proliferation of good crops.
*blocks your path*

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The Andes and Amazon have civilization going back thousands of years.

>le Jared Diamond "tropical environments can't sustain civilizations with highly specialized agriculture, art and architecture" meme

The Olmecs, Mayans, Pagan, Majapahit, and Vijayanagar say hi

>The Olmecs, Mayans, Pagan, Majapahit, and Vijayanagar say hi

The Srivijaya, Ife, Chola, Mauryans and Khmer respond

The Southern Hemisphere has only 10% of the population of Earth and 32% of the landmass.

Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and the other Southernmost portions were the last places in the world to be inhabited by Humans, which explains their lower population.

As for the rest of the Southern Hemisphere, the tropical latitudes were was ravaged by European colonialism and suffered the consequences of extractive plantation economies.

The Inca Empire in Peru was absolutely bled dry by the Spaniards, who used the natives as basically slave labor. In Africa and Indonesia too, Europeans left very little infraestructure and basically plundered the land for resources and slaves.

There is a belt of tropical disfunctional countries crippled by poverty, instability, lack of government control, military conflict and so on, which the Pentagon calls the "Non-Integrating Gap". Basically it's the world's poorer countries, fucked so hard by colonialism and the Cold War that still haven't fully recovered. Many of these are in the Southern Hemisphere.

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A 10 meters high stone enclosure

That's just one part of it the full thing there's the hill enclosure the valley complex and the other stone settlements such as khami

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What about the Swahili coast

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That's a completely different site in your picture, you don't know what you're talking about, Kami is like 40 kilometers away from great Zimbabwe

No I'm just talking about the civilization not just Zimbabwe

They had their own societies and cultures

Srivijaya and Mahabajit were powerful

>i know nothing about history

um because most of all of the land and people are in the north

Pretty much below the equator only sparse groups loved

Mali Asante Benin Yoruba Oyo Kano Kumasi njimi Timbuktu djado kanem bornu axum etc

Straya wasn't complaining with the Nips banging at the gates.

Maybe because there is far more land in the Northern hemisphere the daft cunt.

Why not just have East and West Asia? Or better even call it the Near and Far East as that was what those things were often referred to as ITD.

>Implying any of those civilization ever became massive sprawling empires or regional hegemons and didn't just stay small, rich oddities to be conquered by Europeans thousands of years later

>The Balkans are considered non-integrated
I mean they aren't western Europe tier, but those countries aren't 3rd world Africa tier by a long shot.

I'd like to see you make a 10 meter high stone enclosure without modern machinery pleb.

Most of these dynasties weren't alive by the time of Asian colonialism you historically illiterate mong.

Also some of these were regional powers

>indians
Relevant to who? We were quite relevant to China and more importantly Middle Eastern empires which was the middle ground for most dynasties back then.

Were we important to some Europeans thousands of miles away? No, but the opposite is also true.

India is not in the Southern Hemisphere.
The SH is actually very small in terms of land. People tend to imagine the Equator more to the North than where it really is.

Then why were Olmecs and Maya far more advanced than north american natives? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Well, there were hardly any humans living there...

When the Roman Empire had 50 million people by itself, how many do you think lived there?

That southern part of Africa, maybe a few million.
South America, about the same.
Indonesia, maybe a million or two.
Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, barely a million.

You realize that it was Northern natives who migrated south into the Mezoamerican region. The Aztecs originated in the American South West for example.

You realize Aztecs in that time were hunter gatherer nomads akin to savages by their Mesoamerican neighbors. They only became civilized after they settled into the already existing urbanized societies and absorbed Toltec culture. And technology like metallurgy came from South America to Mesoamerica.

Rice farming developed in SE Asia and was home to some of the world's earliest intensive copper and tin ore mining sites , perfecting the art of casting objects in bronze. These early people's , contemporary with Sumerians never achieved civ status as such but there village economies and craftsman ship were impressive to say the least and shouldn't be written off as irrelevant.
Cool side note: the chicken originates from this part of the world also and was able to be a viable animal to early farmers due to the animals symbiotic relationship to bamboo plants , requiring the wild chicken population to explode when the bamboo plants seeds en masse creating a surplus food. Humans noticing this pattern found an animal that could be abundantly produced provided it was supplied with food

What's that? Looks comfy.

>SE Asia
>metal casting
What?

Southern Africans migrated from Cameroon to places like Kenya bringing farming and iron working establishing the Swahili coast

He's probably talking about Dongson but it's hardly the earliest ones (it's ca 1000 BC).

were there any countries/civilizations in the southern Indonesian islands pre colonization? anyone know?

In the times of the early AD I heard that northern africa had like double the pop of the rest if the continent.

West Africa was also densely populated

Yeah, North and West Africa. Places that are not in the Southern Hemisphere.

yes, remove Australia the last 50 years, and nothing of note has ever happened there

Sriviyans and the majapahits were literally THE regional hegemon of their time you imbecile, at their heights the srivijayans colonized madagascar and conquered southern vietnam, went toe to toe in their wars with indian chola dynasty hundreds of miles away

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srivijaya
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(political_model)

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your forgetting about Mesoamerica, specifically the Incas

Srivijaya was already broken by civil war when they got fucked by Tamil pirates.

There's a shitton in Java alone, we knew little about them because of the tropical climate leaving us with random inscription and some temple scatered all around,most of the time we only know these kingdom even existed because outsider record like the chinese and arab chronicle, the only thing we knew much about was the Srivijayan and The majapahit because those two were the only one who become hegemon and came to dominate the region

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srivijaya
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majapahit

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blambangan_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galuh_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isyana_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janggala
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahuripan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalingga_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medang_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medang_Kamulan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajasa_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjaya_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shailendra_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singhasari
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunda_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarumanagara

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mesoamerica ≠ south america

pic related, the prambanan, supposedly built in one night by a hindu prince with the help of demons because this one girl he want to fuck didnt like him told him to built thousands of temple compound if he want to marry her as an excuse, he almost suceed but the slut told the people to make cuckoo sounds to make the prince think it was morning already and he thought he failed.

now that above was one example of indonesian """"history""""", the local chronicle was filled with stuff like that so historians tend to look for outside record

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New Zealand only got its first human inhabitants in around 1200AD. Literally one of the last places humans colonised.

shamanism / animism still thick here. especially outside java and sumatera.

we just can't grow up properly.

Very much so

nice

where can I read more about this

>the Pararaton, or the javanese book of kings, cover late singhasari kingdom to the rise of the majapahit empire
amazon.com/Pararaton-Study-South-East-Asian-Chronicle/dp/818506797X

>babad tanah jawi, or History of the land of Java, cover the late and fall of the majapahit empire and the conversion to islam, along with the nine islamic saints.
goodreads.com/book/show/3306336-babad-tanah-jawi

>Negarakertagama, contains detailed descriptions of the Majapahit Empire and their entire bureaucratic structures.
amazon.com/Java-14th-Century-Nagara-Kertagama-D/dp/1597402451

>mongol invasion of java and the rise of the majapahit
amazon.com/Palm-Wine-Women-War-Expedition/dp/9814517828

>The Role of Structural Organisation and Myth in Javanese Historiography"
jstor.org/stable/2050416

Yes, exactly

Only thing of note about it is WW1+2 nut even then that's restricted to their small region.

it's less than half of the land on Earth so duh

Wrong, the Maoris ate the natives, look up their picnic grounds

South America is more relevant than Australia.

Java and the Inca were relevant at the time but neither of them lasted too long or did much apart from conquests

What has posting a modern building make a few decades ago got to do with a historic civilization?

KEKOOD

The Swahili coast was a major part of the India ocean trade

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While new zealand didnt get people ubtil the last 1000 years, Australia had its aborigines for tens of thousands of years. Time was not the limiting factor for their population.
Would love to see what their 'civilization potential' was. Probably in the negative for the fellas in Tasmania.

The Tasmania forgot to make fire thing is a myth.

There was still a pronounced different between the mainlanders and those stuck is tassie tho.
Other things like sewing and other tool making didn't make it way to them.
No dingos/wild dogs either, which may have helped the mainlanders develop further.

Did they not even develope the bow

No point making something that shoots such a tiny projectile. You think a bow will take down megafauna as easily as a nice thick spear thrown at high speeds with the help of an atlatl?

Pygmies developed the bow and used it to hunt down elephants and giraffes

They did their best.

U hope they did