Egoism

What are some arguments against egoism and hyper-individualism in general that i can use?

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Roads.

you won't end up making good arguments if you don't understand the beliefs.

In what way is "roads" a critique of egoist thought, ancap sure.

I like to say that it's impossible to live without ideals of some form. By saying that, you sort of reduce their self-imposed freedom by having them admit that they share the commonality of having to live with an ideal like everyone else.

You could also argue life is better with some amount of cooperation, but those sorts take it as a base imperative to not care about "muh objective ideals".

Egoism is the belief that all actions are in a way, selfish, and that we should revel in this selfishness and only care about our own wellbeing above all else

white privilege

egoists also reject the idea of morals. so yea they are basically "FUCK YOU DAD I DONT WANNA CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY"

are you retarded, union of egoists.

no they don't

>Stirner's weird attempt at collective anarchist ideological thought
>WHICH NEVER HAPPENED

There's a reason why I stopped reading at the third part of the Ego and His Own, and that's because such a society is about as real as true communism.

>all actions are in a way, selfish
how?
And how do they define "self"?

>You could also argue life is better with some amount of cooperation, but those sorts take it as a base imperative to not care about "muh objecitive ideals"


you are all confusing rand and Stirner anyway, anyone who believed in Stirner would never say something like that

>What are some arguments against egoism and hyper-individualism
There is no such thing as (You).
That always seems to stump them since they study political theory and not psyche.

Egoists literally say that morals are not needed and useless

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The only people I ever met who actually read the damn meme thing disregarded the third part.

I mean, it's just sort of weird when he goes "lol property is a construct let's band together for our own communal interest because we're thinking of ourselves as workers"

what do you mean by this?

trying to argue with an egoist without having read Stirner or other thinkers is like trying to argue with a socialist without having read the communist manifesto, you are never going to convince him of anything if you think the USA is socialist for example

maybe this guy does but he's wrong

doesnt stirner say that Morals are uneeded? that they are a spook? this guy is a combo of rand (lolbert) and stirner

I've never read rand but she doesn't jive with stirner at all considering she's about corparatitions and shit, tell him rand is spooked.

Stirner says or implies that you shouldn't accept the morals you are taught by society and that you should develop your own set of morals or a personal sense of justice blah blah blah. You could agree with much of what society views as right or wrong.

part 2

Stirnerites hate rand.

since this guy worships money, I guess hes a randian objectivist? or randian egoist?
also isnt that Nietzsche?

Remind him that collectivism will always crush individualism whenever the two clash

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Nietzsche is so similar to Stirner there's a reasonably reputable group of scholars who believe he was inspired by Stirner, it's probable he read him.

he does say that Christianity is gay so.....

Egoism is a perfect mode of living as long as the human is a well-adjusted, moral man with values they cherish enough to cooperate with groups willingly. Without anyone to institute them, things can skew for the uglier.

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Ok lads here another question, what if this guy is one of those Randians?

tell him he's spooked.

The philosophies of Max Stirner and Ayn Rand are only superficially similar. For example, Ayn Rand would be horrified by Stirner's declaration "Whoever knows how to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property". Stirner on the other hand would be horrified by Ayn Rand's worship of material greed and state power. Ayn Rand was a minarchist. Stirner was an anarchist. Ayn Rand believed in law and contracts. Stirner denounced both.