Why did African and Middle-Eastern swords focus on slashing while Euros focused on stabbing? Is stabbing a meme?
I-I don't know user. Africa had some pretty cool weapons too
Camden Jones
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Cameron Young
stabbing conquered the world, it is much faster and deadlier than the virgin slash.
Just shows that Meds are the highest IQ people on earth, followed by Nords, Arabs, then nogs.
Sebastian Bell
I've always fell for the "Africa was an uncivilized badland" meme but especially the one that said Africa had no shields besides the Nguni. While this buckler is made of hide (rhino hide) it's still a lot sturdier.
Ian Roberts
I'd say stabbing is perferable when working with such a short, impotent weapon like the germanic shortsword, but if one has a loong, sturdy weapon then the sideways slash combined with reach should have better results, no?
Xavier Thompson
Arabic inscription btw
The spear is really the weapon of choice especially if you're in a region where wood is available –and it stabls. Easy to train men with, good reach, somewhat durable.
This one belonged to a warrior in the Kuba Kingdom
Blake Johnson
Most people are more naturally inclined to slash/bash/swing their arms rather than thrust them. You need to train in order to thrust reflexively. Besides, aside from Romans it's not like Europe didn't focus on slashing until the high to late middle ages, where you get more pointy at the end of the blade. Most of the time the arming sword looks like type X which is clearly not optimized for thrusting (unlike the later e.g. type XV).
Ayden Sanders
Ceremonial shield given by Ethiopian Emperors to their provincial governors
Anthony White
Crocodile Hide Breast Plate found around the nile
Landon Russell
I've got to imagine in climates with denser foliage, slashing has the added benefit of clearing brush for you.
Stabbing is better for killing people but significantly worse for battling the environment.
Benjamin Cox
This plus when it’s hot nobody wants to wear armor all day
Justin Harris
Stabbing is more lethal but it hardly stops someone charging at you. That's why most people used spears, because it can stab and it got reach.
Jace Peterson
Liam Diaz
West Africa used fabric armor and some chainmail so slashing weapons was more logical thou africans did have some stabbing swords
Joseph Gray
Western sudanic african warriors
Nolan Parker
Mandinka saber
Aaron Morales
ITT: Veeky Forums tries to rationalise why genetically less intelligent people came up with less effective technology then genetically more intelligent people
Liam Bennett
How did the ottomen conquer byzintine then?
Alexander Garcia
go back to /pol/ you fucking nazi
Ryder Scott
go back to plebbit you fucking nigger.
Carson Wilson
Christopher Cruz
* bullets and diseases conquered the world
Lucas Flores
Yeah now i see, that 90 years old german veterans are posting on /his.
How can you be this stupid?
Joseph Cooper
>and Middle-Eastern swords focus on slashing
That's not true. Middle Eastern weapons were both slashing and stabbing (with an emphasis on slashing for cavalry)
Shut the fuck up you brainlet
Jason Flores
It seems to me that Africa's relative global lack of trading power, both resources and geography, as well as its isolation from the global community, led it to fall behind technologically. This line of logic seems to be proven by the fact that when sufficient amounts of water and connectivity are provided, trade, craftsmanship, and culture seems to improve vastly. It is also supported by the fact that in all places where the Muslim outriiders invaded into Africa, when they left, the Aficans developed well INDEPENDENTLY of the Muslims, forming their own ideas and advancements. It is no coincidence that for some 100 years, Timbuktu was the centre of Arabic liteterature, and even then, people like you tried to come up with reasons why "genetically less intelligent"(?) peoples were not able to do such a thing.
*shakes head disappointedly*
This thread is about African weapons, boy. Therefore I will post African weapons, and not bring up foolishness
Benjamin Gomez
If that is so then why did...
...Romans move to slashing swords...
...Arabs move to slashing swords...
...Japanese move to slashing swords...
...Chinese move to slashing swords...
... Koreans move to slashing swords...
...after all of them had been using stabbing swords for a long period of time?
Henry Ramirez
oops, wrong image :)
Gabonian crossbow presumably used for jungle hunting
Leo Bennett
>Horse head and body with human legs
That's not how centaurs are supposed to work.
Nicholas Morris
Kanem Bornu had some t o u g h spearmen
Zachary Jones
Stabbing has a higher chance to crit but slashing has significantly higher base damage. Slashing is also heavily correlated with cavalry development.
Chase Thomas
>Followed by nords
t. Snownigger
Alexander Torres
t. Iqlet whyteboi
Elijah James
I figured it was because in hotter countries you often wear lighter armour, making slashing more effective. In the western world there was a lot of heavier armour, slashing would do nothing so you'd need a good stabber for neck and groin joints etc
Ayden Allen
Almost like Europeans had armour that can only be defeated by stabbing at the gaps, while African didn't...
Josiah Gray
>a slashing blade is less effective against people without plate armour for... reasons
>they're stupid for not inventing a type of weapon they had no use for and would actually be counterproductive
Kevin Harris
Mistook it for your Veeky Forumsfap folder, eh?
Jacob Clark
Why not both?
+bludgeoning.
James Collins
I'd suspect different priorities.
Armour wasn't as prevalent in hotter climates as it was in Yurop.
Caleb Ortiz
>shortsword
>germanic
lmao
did glorious germanics invented spears and bows too?
Bentley Lee
They did have some stabbing swords
Nathan Morris
Not really guns and numbers conquerd the world
Isaac Gutierrez
More like this
Jonathan Clark
Gavin Hernandez
horses, dummy
Asher Walker
>African and Middle-Eastern
It's like saying "Europeans and Gaulois"
Aaron Gomez
nugga thats the kkk
John Perez
Europeans were more heavily armored, so stabbing was needed to pierce weak points in Armour.
Jeremiah Hughes
Because you need stabbing to get through European armor while on the other hand all Africans wore was loincloths.
Andrew Cooper
>all africans wore loincloths
>literally skipped the whole thread to post this
c'mon man
Nathaniel Young
One thing is that mail (and later plate) made slashing near useless against armored opponents.
Stabbing trough gaps in the armor became way more important.
Lincoln Hernandez
Matthew Parker
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Zachary Barnes
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Asher Turner
>the absolute richest Africans around could afford some padded coats
fucking hilarious
Nathaniel Bell
They would of died of heat stroke in the desert because of the metal armor
Evan Ramirez
The wore chainmail to also not just the richest but most of the army
Liam Sullivan
Yeah because steel is such a superior insulator compared to cloth, i wonder why we don't wear steel plate during the winters for warmth, jeesus christ listen to yourself.
Adam Scott
Sahelian soldiers usually typically wore padded armor over chainmail. Actually pretty effective. Everyone from the Scythians to Late Medieval knights used it.
Charles Howard
Asher Moore
Because metal conducts heat so the armor would heat up in the desert also it would be a bigger stamina drain in the sahel
Isaiah Parker
Insulation isn't the only factor mate. The heat transfer coefficient of steel and most metals is vastly superior to cloth and so is it's emissivity.
Bentley Gray
sad, you don't wear it everywhere you know
Adam Price
Swords aren't that great of an infantry weapon.
It doesn't really matter what kind of swords a civilization makes.
Austin Jones
I'm much more interested in you responding to this
Brody Hill
And what is that claim supposed to be supporting anyway?
Aiden Gray
Why would they need anything else based on the weapons they were facing?
Levi Lee
The Crusaders didnt seem to mind the heat.
Jackson Carter
They lost thou
Christian Morgan
>Shows a picture of men wearing chainmail over unpadded cloth to support the plate armour claim
literally this
Alexander Robinson
Because of lack of cooperation and logistics. The Crusaders has superior armies though
Joseph Ross
*had
Mason Roberts
lol, what?
Brody Morris
When doing wide slashes you need to be able to move more efficiently, meaning lighter armor, which is more susceptible to slashing. When stabbing, you can wear more armor because you don't need as much range of motion to be effective.
James Green
I’m pretty sure that the nobility wore plate army
Xavier Johnson
>it's another /leftypol/ afrocentric circlejerk
Dominic Fisher
*armor
Gabriel Sanders
Why is it lefftypol Afrocentric when you discuss africa in a positive light
Nathaniel Gomez
Crusaders wore pads & chainmail
Dylan Sullivan
Because Veeky Forums is consistently invaded by brainlets from /pol/ thinking the two are the same when Veeky Forums actually talks about reality and all /pol/ is is a white nationalist and Christian echochamber circlejerk.
Jace Jenkins
Not even positive but neutral light
Asher Long
Then what do you call a medieval knight thread on Veeky Forums, colonizer?
Mason Robinson
Aaron Martinez
Didn’t the nobility wore plate armor?
Adam Butler
You have to go back
Brody White
Wait, so talking about armor is afrocentric? Wtf I love /pol/ now
Grayson Martin
Plate armor wasn’t a big thing until the late middle ages
Jace Butler
Lmao retard
Jeremiah Davis
Plate armour wouldn't be around for about 300 years after the First Crusade...
Joseph Turner
Fuck off Jared, nobody cares about your meme book.
Dylan Reed
He's right thou
James Sanders
Slashing vs. piercing is a an arbitrary decision that comes down to, for a lack of a better phrase, historical fashion trends.
Sometimes it's fashionable to stab.
Sometimes it's fashionable to slash.
Neither holds an inherent advantage over the other.
Adrian Ward
it's better to slash against multiple opponents and better to stab against one
Brody Ramirez
nice video game logic
Christian Parker
/leftypol/ is a meme. There is only /pol/ and Veeky Forums.
Alexander Rivera
I'm trained, you just don't know point/line.
Jacob Morales
>implying a snownigger wouldn't autistically put himself at either the very top or the very bottom according to his personal political convictions
Bentley Price
>this damage control
John Jones
What do you mean? They actively talk about raiding us from their board on cripplechan
Alexander Thompson
Barbarossa probaly drowned because he wanted to cool down in a river.
Logan Gray
which river?
Jace White
I doubt it
Leftypol is a bigger boogeyman than the KKK and MGTOW combined