You'd think that after years of Germans killing your family and friends in the most brutal way possible the Red Army wouldn't treat them like royalty once they reached their capital, especially since the Russians were seen as savage drunk apes.
Aside from a few rapes here and there they didn't really do much. No large-scale genocides looting or destroying German cultural and historical buildings like Germans did in the East.
The german soldiers were encouraged to act as they did, because the nazis thought that to secure their conquests they would need to kill or chase away the slavs. The soviet soldiers were ordered to restrain themselves, because Stalin knew that the land was secured by Roosevelt and Churchill's agreement anyway, and he didn't want to give them a reason to go back on their word with a uncalled for bloodbath.
Joseph Peterson
So they were beta cucks?
Hudson Ramirez
Krautniggers killed themselves because they were autistic. They just did not want to believe that subhuman mongol hordes destroyed their supposedly invincible krautnigger empire. That wasn't the Russians' fault.
Brody Bell
Stalin didn't want to deal with partisan warfare. Unfortunately.
Lucas Lopez
You probably don't know what that word means. Also it probably would be very unlikely that the red army would get orders to massacre civilians after the war officially ended just for the sake of killing them. If anything the red "subhuman" slavic socialists made the German people think twice about who's the real subhuman, they made them take back their words, in the long run it was the Germans who continually and in places of combat operation massacred civilians, that even happened I heard during the battle of Kursk. Germans sparing some bullets to kill the "untermensch" for the nazi fatherland. Also the discipline in the red army was strict, it was taboo for the most part as I understand to hurt children. Would you have preferred that red army soldiers take german infants and slap their heads against the walls in front of their mothers?
Thomas Mitchell
Edit, what I meant to say by "made the German people think twice about who's the real subhuman," I don't deny very horrific widespread atrocities committed by the red army but still nonetheless the east German people did not experience what the east would have had if the nazis won. They weren't starved, they weren't planned on being to a large extent exterminated through forced assimilation, etc. At the end of the day there were good and bad soldiers on both sides. And it's racist to portray the red army which still I would assume was majority to be made up of Slavs as some "asiatic horde" which showed absolutely no mercy. German atrocities fueled reprisals. It was all horrible, the death and revenge.
Nathaniel Johnson
I know this is a bait threat but it's actually true for some territories. For example in Poland many Germans worked together with Soviets against the upcoming Poles.
John Perry
Show us a single proof anythign liek that ever happened. Note: Claims of (((Applebaum))) and (((eyewitness account))) arent proofs.
Real question is: Did Red army used rape machines installed in the specialised T-34/85 that lacked canon, but instead were equiped with fully-automated "rape turret" which was a room in which 8 women were raped by the mechanical arms and flayed alive afterwards. I also wonder if are stories about "rape horses" real. Red army used horses that were trained to rape German women, but this isnt all, Soviet soldiers were that cruel they attached explosives on them and when was horse finished, they released him into the house full of innocent German women and blowned it up!
Same reason why Russians didn't rape and loot in Paris in 1814.
They wanted to honor their alliance with the western allies. And further more they didn't want to make themselves look like something that came out of their enemies propaganda.
Many books about post-war Silesia. For example Uprooted: How Breslau Became Wroclaw. There is even a chapter called "Russians and Germans - An Unsettling Friendship".
Because Soviet ideology would be explicitly violated in that case, and the army was sufficiently disciplined to enforce it.
Julian Campbell
lmao, nice thread
Nathan Adams
Because despite the no true Scotsman shit, the Soviets were actually communists who intended to make Germany a Communist ally and genociding them wasn't a good way to do that. Also the Commies originally believed that Germany would spearhead the revolution and not Russia (Lenin liked Germany a lot more than Russia) so it was a huge achievement to make Germany commie.
Levi Watson
nice ''source'' you got there
Jaxson Young
>The numerous Polish reports about such relationships with Soviet officers, which allowed German women to ignore decrees of the Polish administration, at times go to extremes: „It’s not that German women are getting raped by Red Army soldiers, it’s the Red Army soldiers who are being hounded by German prostitutes.” Such statements cannot be taken at face value, of course, but are instead expressions of the bitterness of Poles at the fact that Germans got along better with Russians after the war than Poles did. lol
Lincoln Phillips
Why are Poles always so butthurt? It's like nothing can please them.
Aaron Brooks
>Germans and Russians partition Poland >Germans and Soviets invade Poland in 1939 >after the war Russians establish a German administration in a city that supposed to be Polish >they protect Germans from being send to work to rebuild the city >Poles want to start deporting the Germans, Soviets are against it >this new friendship reminds them of Ribbentrop-Molotov pact or Russo-Prussian alliance
Daniel Cook
>Many books about post-war Silesia Off yourself already, you dumb fucking fuck. Or just give me an adress, I'll do it myself.
>Why Were German Civilians treated so Well By Soviet Soldiers? Classic Veeky Forums
Henry Murphy
>some retard on Veeky Forums calling actual soldiers who fought on the Eastern Front beta cucks
Jack Howard
this is why world war two is both the best and worst war in recent history to study. Whenever you even bring it up you get faggots either completely shilling for the nazis or faggots completely shilling for the soviets. World war two was not a heroic conflict, and it should not be remembered as a conflict with clear-cut good guys and clear-cut bad guys
Matthew Powell
>And it's racist to portray the red army which still I would assume was majority to be made up of Slavs as some "asiatic horde" which showed absolutely no mercy.
My great-grandmother actually went to welcome the local Red Army troops out of hospitality. She also offered lodging and food to a scared 18yo retreating Wermacht soldiers. From what my grandfather told me both sides were basically people. There were places where they commited bad things, but not necessarily full on rape, in many villages Red Army soldiers stole chickens for example, and yes, in places where soldiers without proper command and penal battalions entered, people locked their families in the basement just to be sure.
This was in Slovakia, so a Slavic country, but one that was fighting on the Axis side (although we had a big rebellion).
Ethan Hernandez
As for the stereotypical "Germans were more civilized". Well, depends on what you mean. They would be nice, unless they were the SS and their mission was to burn your whole village and its inhabitants down as a reprisal for alleged or real provision of help to partisans. Red Army was more disorderly in general, but at least in Slovakia they didn't participate in large scale atrocities the way German antipartisan units did.
James Harris
>The soviets raped and kill millions of people
Based on what? Some random eye witness statements? We all know those are bullshit.
Henry Myers
>Aside from a few rapes here and there they didn't really do much.
An estimated 1 to 2 million rapes in Germany, depending on which statistic you choose as more probable, is not a few rapes "here and there." An estimated 100,000 women were raped in Berlin alone, with 10,000 of them being killed afterward. An estimated 240,000 women in Germany as a whole were killed in the aftermath of their rapes.
That's not including women who were raped and killed outside of Germany, nor does it include Soviet women who had been deported to Germany for forced labor and were liberated only to be raped by their liberators.
Henry Richardson
>eyewitness accounts are not proof
Soooo.... where do you think historians get the bulk of their information about any time period from?
Luke Cook
>An estimated 1 to 2 million rapes in Germany, depending on which statistic you choose as more probable, is not a few rapes "here and there." An estimated 100,000 women were raped in Berlin alone, with 10,000 of them being killed afterward. An estimated 240,000 women in Germany as a whole were killed in the aftermath of their rapes. based
Luke Garcia
>Eye witness statements are bullshit >Somehow become conclusive proof during the Holocaust on punishment of prison
Landon Davis
I love all the fake atrocity story The holohoax coaster,masturbation machine,japs claiming americans would run the okinawans on the tracks of m4 etc
Leo Robinson
this. No idea if this is some sort of meme that the soviets did nothing wrong
Aiden Roberts
There was rape in Berlin. Probably not millions of people though.
kek!! XDD upvote my man! u on the new redpill sub?
Gavin Ross
>filthy huns spend the last 6 years pillaging the whole europe, killing millions of civilians >>but the moment soviets do the same (but in a much smaller scale) it becomes literally the worst thing!