Why didn't ancient Egyptians conquered the european cities?

>great European nations like France, England, Germany, Spain
dude what are you doing on this board if you don't even know about basic history?
besides Greece there were only primitive tribal societies scattered throughout Europe 3000 years ago.

well there was El Argar pic related in southern spain.
and several small cities in Greece but other then that mostly just small villages

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there were no European empires at the time but there were palace states in Greece, the beginnings of city states.
the Iliad is based on the period.

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They weren't civilizations. They were cultures. The closest thing to pre-Greece European civilization was the so-called Danube culture with Vinca and Cucuteni-Trypillia cultures, but they were annihilated by steppe nomads before they could develop. Since then there was nothing resembling a civilization until Minoans.

Beyond the fact that Europe was something of an undesirable backwater at the time, the reason mostly boils down to logistics. The same things that kept Egypt safe (if somewhat isolated) during the Bronze and Iron ages also kept them from going on the offensive. How would they have moved supplies around to effectively conquer and set up a long term presence in Europe? Also, how would they react to colder climates and the European winters? I imagine they would eventually adapt, but you can all but kiss those first few colonies and holdings good bye.

hittites you absolute brainlets

That's not Europe.

They were content with the knowledge that they were better off than them.
From 1177B.C. by Eric H. Cline.
>Each of the five bases, as well as many of the others, is inscribed with a series of topographical names carved into the stone within what the Egyptians called a “fortified oval”—an elongated oval carved standing upright, with a series of small protrusions all along its perimeter. This was meant to depict a fortified city, complete with defensive towers (hence the protrusions). Each fortified oval was placed on, or rather replaced, the lower body of a bound prisoner, portrayed with his arms behind his back and bound together at the elbow, sometimes with a rope tied around his neck attaching him to other prisoners in front of and behind him. This was a traditional New Kingdom Egyptian method of representing foreign cities and countries; even if the Egyptians didn’t actually control these foreign places or were not even close to conquering them, they still wrote the names within such “fortified ovals” as an artistic and political convention, perhaps as symbolic domination.
>But what immediately strikes us is that the list carved by the stonemason on the fifth statue base contained names never before mentioned in Egyptian inscriptions. They were the names of cities and places located to the west of Egypt—strange names, such as Mycenae, Nauplion, Knossos, Kydonia, and Kythera, written on the left front and left side of the base, and with two more names written separately on the right front side of the base, as if they were titles placed at the head of the list: Keftiu and Tanaja.
>Some scholars believe that this list is merely propaganda, idle boasting by a pharaoh who had heard of faraway places and yearned to conquer them or wished to convince people that he had. Others believe that the list is not mendacious self-aggrandizement, but is based on factual knowledge and actual contacts in that long-ago time.

lad I got some bad news for you

>besides Greece there were only primitive tribal societies scattered throughout Europe 3000 years ago.
Not really, when Ramses was around Sardinia was somewhat civilized

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Hittites, Babylonia, the Assyrians, the great kingdoms of Greece and then several other minor civilizations

Possibly because it wasn't raped to death by Indo-Europeans. Sardinians are also identified with one tribe of the Sea People.

Yes perhaps, it's true that Sardinians imported copper from Egypt and Sardinians were present as far as Cyprus during that time

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It was impossible to get to Sardinia at the time.

Kek, the legacy of that american brainlet still lives well after he presumably got shot and died.

There seem to be some Aegean influences in he Nuragic civilization.

Yes it's possible, Aegean pottery and objects were found in many Nuraghi such as this one , though the Aegean people built their domes underground while Sardinians built both open air and underground domes

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He has achieved more fame for himself thru one epic failure to think than any of us will achieve thru a lifetime of dedicated shitposting. Feels bad, man.

Well we know the Egyptians boasted about winning battles they actually lost, there's no evidence that Crete or Greece was ever ruled by or even invaded by Egyptians but there was a lot of contact between them so the Egyptians certainly knew about them. Minoan civilization is largely inspired by Egyptian examples.

>Minoan civilization is largely inspired by Egyptian examples.
Not really I know of Minoan paintings in Egyptian and Near Eastern palaces but I don't see any clear Egyptian influence in Minoan culture. Also Egyptians were very well aware of Mycenaeans too since they listed their cities

Nigga what the fuck are you talking about, Amenhoteps trip to Greece is well known and it wasnt a war party.

Seriously? The influence is extremely clear and ubiquitous, from the design of columns to the tradition of painting women white and men brown. And really where else could teh Minoans have learned civilization from? They could reach Egypt on the same reed boats they settled Crete and the Cyclades on, but Sumer was far away.

>hurr durr what's the point of conquering primitives
Do you guys think Gaul was some kind of sophisticated place? That Rome shouldn't have bothered? It's stupid not to colonize the entirety of the Mediterranean if you can.

That tradition came from the Etruscans you dirty ape. They stretched from Italy to the island of Lemnos, and certainly sailed to Crete too. They alwats paknted men darker.

The Etruscans came AFTER the Minoans you tard. Read a book.

Tyrrhenians were spread way earlier than that

Egyptians often painted women brown too, and Minoan paintings are very different looking from Egyptian ones, Minoan temples, tombs, writing, clothes, hydraulic structures and ships are different from Egyptian ones
>And really where else could teh Minoans have learned civilization from?
Is this a troll post? Do you think they were cavemen who took a boat trip to Egypt, saw the pyramids and decided to build a civilization of their own?, there were small cities in the Aegean since before the pyramids, and large villages with agriculture since before 6000 bc

The first Etruscan paintings date to 600 bc, the first Minoan ones date to 1750 bc or earlier

You have some evidence for this, I'm sure? In b4 MUH PELASGIANS.

Any evidence for Egyptian influence?

People in Tuscany were only building small huts until 750 bc or so, the Minoans were more than 1000 years older

Please show me where I claimed the Minoans WERE Egyptians. They were inspired by their contact with the Egyptians to form a civilization of their own, they put their own spin on things and developed their own traditions, as all civilizations that have ever existed have done before and since. Your moronic fantasy that they formed fully autochthonously is imbecilic nonsence.

Take your pills, civilization doesn't work like that, it forms when there are the right conditions, not because you see a foreign city and decide to build civilization out of nowhere, the Aegean merchants who sailed to Egypt were already part of a seafaring advanced agrarian culture. And while you can see that the Minoan paintings were highly valued and admired by the Egyptians and other Near Eastern kingdoms so much so that they had them in their royal palaces, I don't see any evidence of Egyptian influence in Minoan civilization aside from maybe the columns of some palaces, their marine technology, infrastructure and architecture has mainly unique feature, the design of some columns doesn't prove that they were "largely inspired by the Egyptians" more than Minoan paintings in Egypt prove that that the Egyptians were "largely inspired" by the Minoans

There's traces of Egyptian influence in early Greek art, but it's a long time since I read that.

Early Greek statues were 1000 years later, we're talking about the bronze age

You mean apart from the extensive archaeological proof of such contact extending over the entire length of the Minoan civilization, found in both Crete and Egypt in well dated contexts? Seriously, read a book, your ignorance is near total.

You are an actual moron, congratulations.

Nice argument, you sure showed me.

Which proves that there were influences on both sides, not that the "Minoan civilization was largely inspired by Egypt" because that shows that you're completely ignorant about the Minoans since both their pottery, jewelry, temples, altars, ships, infrastructure and script have barely anything to do with Egypt.

You refuted yourself with your strawman, moron.

Not a stawman, you stated that the Minoans were largely inspired by Egypt, read your hilariously naive posts again.

>Teutonic Cultures
>Baltic people aren't Indo European
>Volga Battle-Axe isn't Indo European

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Egypt was there first you fucking spastic. You think it was just a coincidence that after the Minoans started visiting Egypt, they suddenly stopped living in tribal villages and built a civilization with obvious architectural and artistic nods to Egypt? Monkey see, monkey do. Minoan civilization went off in its own wild and wonderful direction, but the spark that set it off is Egypt. This is almost exactly the same as the relationship between the Minoans and the later Greeks, which I presume you DON'T dispute, so idk what your problem is.

>Vedic civilization
>no writing
>no art
>no cities
>no toilets
>civilization
Holy shit, this entire map is wrong or full of shit.
>Iberian peoples
These cultures actually have names, some of them were more advanced than anything in Europe outside of Sardinia and Mycenaeans/Minoans.

>Egypt was there first you fucking spastic.
Oh yes, they came first so everyone else copied them, that's the way an 8 year old who's starting to learn about history thinks
>you fucking spastic
Wow, why so emotional about this? half of your posts are childish insults and provocations
> You think it was just a coincidence that after the Minoans started visiting Egypt they suddenly stopped living in tribal villages and built a civilization with obvious architectural and artistic nods to Egypt?
Yes, they suddenly stopped living in "tribal" villages as soon as they sailed to Egypt, it's not like the Minoan civilization gradually developed over the centuries, thank you for throwing away decades of archaeological research through your genius observation, pic related is an urban site with two storey houses from the early 3rd millenium bc, located in the Aegean, way before any substantial contact with Egypt
>obvious architectural and artistic nods to Egypt?
Such as?
>his is almost exactly the same as the relationship between the Minoans and the later Greeks
Absolutely no, the Myceneans clearly burrowed the script, architecture, pottery and art directly from the Minoans, the palace of Pylos looks like a carbon copy of that of Knossos. The same can't be said for the Egyptians, anyone who knows anything about them knows that Egyptian art and architecture and widely different from the Minoans'

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Please leave this board.

He's a Turk who desperately wants to be European.

>t.moron

There weren't any worth speaking of at the time, and whilst Egypt was powerful, those kind of large scale, overseas campaigns were quite unheard of. He'd have had to go right through the levant, through asia minor, and across the hellespont.

And for what? Europe didn't have much to offer, Egypt already had their finger in the Cypriot copper mines.

>hittites
>european

Assyrians and Hittites

Fuck off you spas, I asked for proof that it was from the Egyptians, not that they had trade. Their pillars are nothing like Egypt.

A lot of the wall paintings looks very similar.

Right, so maybe the Egyptians started the Inca civ as well? They made pyramids after all.

Greece was very rich at the time and Egyptian sources mention them, but it was Greeks raiding the Levant and probably Egypt as well rather than Egyptians invading Greece

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No they look VERY similar.

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Whats Egyptian about them? Being painted on walls?

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>Greece was very rich at the time

No it wasn't.

It had no gold, it had no lapis lazuli, it had no tin. It might've had copper, but the Egyptians had that anyway.

All it really had of value was certain styles of pottery and textiles that became popular in the Near East.

>Greeks raiding the Levant and probably Egypt as well rather than Egyptians invading Greece

Okay, but taking a few ships for a raiding trip is a very different thing from taking an entire army to occupy Greece.

There isn't any significant Egyptian influence in the Minoan culture, they traded and they influenced each other but not that much anyway. The fact that he claimed that the influence Minoans had over the Mycenaeans was the same as that the Egyptians had over Crete shows that he knows very little about the topic, but he doesn't care about historical accuracy, he just wants to have the last word.
And if anything, there were actual Minoan paintings in Egyptian palaces, rather than the contrary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_frescoes_from_Tell_el-Daba

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Later Egyptian paintings, especially those of the Amarna Period (14th century BCE) suggest elements borrowed in return from the Minoan, especially the fluidity of linear movement.

Kek, it was the other way around. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW?

Certain stylistic trends. Narrow wasp waists, the way they draw the hands, tendency to depict people in profile.

There's absolutely no reason why influence should only flow in one direct. The Minoans certainly made innovations of their own.

>There isn't any significant Egyptian influence in the Minoan culture, they traded and they influenced each other but not that much anyway.

I'd agree. The influence is mainly limited to art.

>It had no gold
It did though, Minoan and Mycenaean golden jewels were numerous and very well made
> it had no lapis lazuli, it had no tin.
So? It did have agricultural resources, they had a lot of goods like wine and oil that they traded, and their pottery was the finest at the time, Mycenaean artisans were very skilled and their traders exported their luxurious goods all around the Mediterranean, including all the amber they got from up north

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>It did though, Minoan and Mycenaean golden jewels were numerous and very well made

Yes, but the gold was IMPORTED from elsewhere. What I meant was that they didn't have any sources of gold. At least, not enough to justify conquest. Especially when Egypt already has gold mines.

> It did have agricultural resources, they had a lot of goods like wine and oil that they traded

Everyone in the Near East had that. It wasn't special. And if was incredibly expensive to transport large quantities over long distances.

The things people valued back then were things like copper, tin, lapis lazuli.

Mycenaean pottery and textiles may have been trendy, but when you have as much gold as Egypt has it's far more economical just to trade for it.

It'd be like America invading Japan because they wanted anime.

They kind of did

>focus on European backwater shitholes
>Hittites start beating your ass like a drum
Hmmmm...

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Greece wasn't backwater in anyway but it's obvious that the Egyptians had to focus on the Near Eastern front for obvious reasons, also the Egyptians were never much of a mariner culture they could have never conquered the Aegean people

Greece was a backwater m8.

It's always been a bit of a backwater.

Mountainous, dry, not particularly fertile. Some mineral wealth, but nothing worth talking about. Land doesn't have a large carrying capacity so it's never had a large population. Most Greek innovation came when they started moving to places like Sicily, and Near East.

Greece wasn't backwater, they had bridges, aqueducts, large palaces, writing, very skillful artisans who produced extremely sought after paintings, ceramics and artifacts and they were great sailors

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Having few natural resources doesn't mean being a backwater, they were technologically advanced for the time

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>bridges

Woah...so THIS is the power of Myceanaen Greece.

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Wow, so this is the power of the mighty Hittites

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They didn't have any aqueducts I'm aware of, their palaces were not very large compared to the Near East, or even to the Minoans.

Their writing system was primitive, only really suited to basic inventory lists and far inferior to cuneiform.

The artisans you're referring to were Minoan, not Mycenaean.

The rest is fair.

Well done on picking the second least architecturally advanced people in the Eastern Mediterranean (after the Mycenaeans).

>They didn't have any aqueducts I'm aware of
You being aware of it doesn't mean that they didn't exist, sorry but google exists today, there were aqueducts at Tyrins and Mycenae I'm not gonna spoonfeed you any further.
>Their writing system was primitive
The fuck does that even mean? How can a writing system be primitive?
>and far inferior to cuneiform.
In what?
>The artisans you're referring to were Minoan, not Mycenaean.
Not really, artisans were widespread all over Greece even far above the Peloponnesus
>their palaces were not very large compared to the Near East
Yes they were, compared to most Near Eastern kingdoms at least

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So, who was more advanced than the Mycenaeans in the Eastern Mediterranean other than the Egyptians?

Weren't Sumerians even before Egypt?

>You being aware of it doesn't mean that they didn't exist, sorry but google exists today, there were aqueducts at Tyrins and Mycenae I'm not gonna spoonfeed you any further.

I cannot find any information on this. Are you sure you mean "aqueducts" and not "cistern", they had cisterns.

>The fuck does that even mean? How can a writing system be primitive?

It was bad at conveying information. You couldn't write anything more complex than basic lists of objects and numbers. You couldn't use it to write literature, or poetry.

>Not really, artisans were widespread all over Greece even far above the Peloponnesus

Not true. The wall painters you're talking about were Minoan. Other artisans may have been on Greece, but the rest of the Near East only really cared for Minoan wall paintings, and pottery.

>Yes they were, compared to most Near Eastern kingdoms at least

That just isn't true. Mycenae was tiny compared to Knossos, or the palaces in the Levant.

Literally just about everyone.

Hittites, Babylonians, Assyrians, the Levant, the Minoans.

No.

They feared the BWC

>I cannot find any information on this.
Can't you even use google?
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>It was bad at conveying information. You couldn't write anything more complex than basic lists of objects and numbers. You couldn't use it to write literature, or poetry.
Yes you could, the fact that they didn't write down poetry doesn't mean that they couldn't
>Not true. The wall painters you're talking about were Minoan
There's no proof the wall paintings of Pylos, Mycenae or Tyrins were made by the Minoans, and Mycenaean pottery was of course crafted by Mycenaean artisans along with jewels
>Mycenae was tiny compared to Knossos
But Pylos wasn't, also Knossos was bigger than almost every other palace on earth, not really a fair comparison, not to mention that Knossos was ruled by the Mycenaeans along with the rest of Crete
>or the palaces in the Levant.
Mycenae was bigger than most Levantine citadels including important ones like Ugarit, Byblos and Megiddo and most Hittite cities

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How was Hittite architecture more advanced than that of the Mycenaeans? Same goes for that of the Levant or most of Mesopotamia.

So it's an underground aqueduct. That's really not that impressive, anyone can dig a tunnel.

>Yes you could, the fact that they didn't write down poetry doesn't mean that they couldn't

No. You. Cannot.
We have deciphered their writing system. It is literally impossible, it is not advanced enough.

>There's no proof the wall paintings of Pylos, Mycenae or Tyrins were made by the Minoans

It's all in Minoan style, as are all the Minoan paintings in the Near East.

>Knossos was bigger than almost every other palace on earth, not really a fair comparison

That's not true either, Knossos is also fairly small compared to the Places of the Near East.

>not to mention that Knossos was ruled by the Mycenaeans along with the rest of Crete

Yes, but Knossos was built before the Mycenaeans invaded. It's like saying the French built the pyramids.

>Mycenae was bigger than most Levantine citadels including important ones like Ugarit, Byblos and Megiddo and most Hittite cities

That's just bullshit. Plain and simple.

It was significantly larger and more complex, I don't know what more you want.

Remember, most Mycenaen settlements are fairly small affairs built of rough, drystone walls.

You cannot win an argument here just by bullshitting me, I have studied this, I am getting my degree in Ancient Mediterranean Civilisations in two months.

Greece in the Bronze Age was a rocky, backwards outcrop in the sea that just was not worth conquering, simple as.

>So it's an underground aqueduct. That's really not that impressive, anyone can dig a tunnel.
It's impressive since most other cities in the Near East did not have them
>We have deciphered their writing system. It is literally impossible, it is not advanced enough.
It is possible, just because they didn't it doesn't mean that they couldn't
>That's not true either, Knossos is also fairly small compared to the Places of the Near East.
i'm almost certain it's bigger than all the palaces outside of Egypt
>Yes, but Knossos was built before the Mycenaeans invaded. It's like saying the French built the pyramids.
It was restored and amplified under Mycenaean rule
>That's just bullshit. Plain and simple.
It's not though, Mycenae had about 30,000 inhabitants, thus making it bigger than all the cities I've listed, also it wasn't even the biggest one, the biggest one being Pylos with more than 50,000 inhabitants

>France, England, Germany
There was no civilized world there at that time. The trek alone there would have been far more trouble than it was worth.