>Or so we thought. New methods reveal that modern people are mostly unrelated to those who lived in the same area in the past. The ancestors of the modern British, for example, arrived 4,500 years ago and did not, in fact, raise up Stonehenge.
>A similar dynamic of replacement or mixture applies to Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. In other words, the vast majority of the world’s populations date to migrations and mixing within the last 10,000 years. Even characteristics that we think to be fundamental and primal, such as the fair complexion of modern Northern Europeans, are likely a recent phenomenon, driven by the mixing of disparate genes 4,000 to 5,000 years ago and reshaped by natural selection over the next few thousand years.
>Who We Are and How We Got Here then addresses the reality that large numbers of public intellectuals are extremely hostile to the idea that humans can be grouped together into distinct population clusters. In other words, since race is a pernicious social construction, population geneticists need to tread very carefully. Reich is frank that the time may have come to break the alliance geneticists have made with academics who declare that all differences between groups are trivial. He suggests that science is advancing at such a rate that we will soon understand the genetic basis of complex behaviors in exquisite detail — and that researchers should be prepared for the possibility that some findings will be discomfiting to contemporary sensibilities.
I'm a liberal and I kinda accepted it already. It still does't mean that black people will always have lower IQ than the others or that people with lower IQ can't create a civilization.
We all came from the same original population, which means we all once had similar IQ. Nigerians in Britain are doing better than the natives. There are obviously many smart people in Africa but they are migrating to Western Europe. I believe that Western Europe has such a high IQ largely because of environmental factors - natural selection in 19th and 20th century.
Isaiah Parker
A German then.
David Green
I wonder if those Iranian farmers created Indus Valley. Because let's be serious, it wasn't created by indigenous Indian hunter-gatherers.
Jacob Robinson
>We all came from the same original population No, we didn't.
Carter Wilson
Yes, East Asians and Papuans are modern populations with highest genetic continuity since mesolithic. Other populations are highly mixed.
Carson Davis
We did. Our ancestors all came from Africa. And for example, modern day Europeans (or in fact most Caucasians) have genes from virtually the same few populations.
Ian Thompson
hol up didn't they come in around the same as indo aryans? ivc was dead by then.
Julian Foster
>Nigerians in Britain are doing better than the natives no they arent. there was one stat that showed nigerian students scored better on school tests but I wonder how that data was gathered. It wouldnt be the first cherrypicked data was used in a “study” like that
Henry Roberts
Wouldn't be surprised if the black/white iq gap were to close
Nathan Butler
out of africa was disproven years ago keep up
Cameron Nguyen
Except ancestors of blacks mixed with another non-related specie, same as "whites". Blacks have no Neanthertal admxthat Asians and Whites do.
Short version West African migrants started out doing well but have gone downwards as less elite ones came over. It's America but still telling.
Lucas Wood
>since race is a pernicious social construction
David Edwards
No, as you can see here it happened before.
>Ancestral South Indians >Iranian farmers (IVC) + indigenous Indian hunter-gatherers IVC collapses and Harappans move south mixing with local indigenous populations.
>Ancestral North Indians >steppe pastoralists + Iranian farmers IE mixed with indigenous Iranians (BMAC) and remnants of Harappans (creating what we call now Aryans)
>present day Indians >ASI+ANI Aryans moving south
Brody Allen
>He can't adress how the oldest haplogroups are predominatly in Africa >Or the oldest human remains being in Africa
Also David Reich advocates Out Of Africa.
Asher Lee
No it wasn't.
Brandon White
>Reich is frank that the time may have come to break the alliance geneticists have made with academics who declare that all differences between groups are trivial.
Try again leftypol
Henry Rivera
There are differences in IQ between Caucasian populations too. And like I said, there are smart black Africans. There were also some recent studies showing that Caucasians also returned to Africa spreading their genes sometime in prehistory. So yes, we are all definitely more mixed than we thought.
Isaiah Taylor
Related study: 8% of west african DNA could be from an archaic species:
>>Reich is frank that the time may have come to break the alliance geneticists have made with academics who declare that all differences between groups are trivial.Try again leftypol
They aren't trivial but they are clinal as all west eurasians are racialy mixed.
Angel Allen
They will just keep their "kek does someoone actually believe race iq pseudoscience" and then be way too ignorant on the subject to even get it when its explained to them.
Luke Fisher
>Iranian farmers is the master race who created all important civilizations Whoa
>Aegan Bronze Age >Iranian farmers + European farmers
Cooper Price
Arent South Asians pulled heavily in the direction of Iran neolithic?
Leo Hill
They are, which is probably the reason why it's titled >ASI >Iranian farmers + indigenous Indian hunter-gahterers
Levi Jones
>Iranian farmers is the master race who created all important civilizationsWhoa
Could as populations admixed with them conquered europe, middle east and south asia.
Landon Rogers
>creating what we call now Aryans
No, the aryans are the IE invaders. Theres way too little steppe in them to be considered aryan.
Jose Powell
So what you are saying is that Eurasians and sub-Saharans are different races since they share no overlap?
Hudson Williams
This population were steppe pastoralists, they themselves never created a single civilization. Populations with Iranian farmers + someone else did (such as Minoans - Anatolian farmers + Iranian farmers)
Luke Baker
Aryan is just a coined term. When this population conquered South India they were already heavy admixed (ANI).
Hunter Harris
>all important civilizations
There's still China.
Jack Taylor
Didn't Chinese civilization only appear when aryan tribes migrated into western China?
John Ross
>steppe pastoralists The blight of humanity since the most ancient times. There were highly advanced cultures in Europe with proto-cities and proto-writing before they arrived. They also destroyed ancient Sumeria, Minoan/Mycenaean civilization, and I bet they were also at least part of those shitty Sea People.
>The ancestors of the modern British, for example, arrived 4,500 years ago and did not, in fact, raise up Stonehenge. >A similar dynamic of replacement or mixture applies to Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. So even if we are all mixed there are populations more distant than others. I wonder if this book is pro race-mixing or anti-immigration. Because it seems like population replacement is a real threat and it happened many times before.
Asher Gomez
It's looks like natives simply got good than Africans continually declining.
Brandon Cooper
Southern half of Africa used to be non-Bantu. Not anymore! Next stop, Europe.
Chase Jones
>Niggers perform worse in measures like education and crime outside of elite samples who aren't the norm for their groups
Okay, leftypol.
Dylan Gray
Only the elites from other countries come to the U.S.
Nathaniel Turner
Going from the previews, no. It might be that since papers like the one on Morocco have only been caming out recently there wasn't enough to include within the timeframe covered by Reich's book.
Jackson Turner
You mean how will /pol/ recover.
>What we may term “races” are not primordial or fundamental, but recent specific instances of a general tapestry of human variation.
Sebastian Peterson
>says there are significant differences between populations
James Sanchez
Hopefully now that Reich solved the Pajeet Question he or has team can move onto another. Like the Egyptian Question or Mespotamian Question.
Luis Evans
From what?
Luis Sanchez
Most of modern africans do have some minor neanderthal admixture from Eurasians back migrations.
Not signficant compared to actual races(subspecies)
Chimp diversity between subspecies is 30,1%-they are properly differentiated. Inbetween human "races" only 4,3%. You need at least 25% for proper races/subspecies
During mesolithic humans had much greater differentiation but probably still much lower than chimpanzees.
See how divergent neanderthals and denisovans were from humans(they were actually more basal and closer to a common ancestor of humans and chimps) Black dot closest to chimps are Africans but chimps are actually more divergent from our common ancestor than humans are.
Is there actually a gene causing black skin? I think San tribes supposed to be the oldest people on Earth and they aren't as black as many other Africans.
John Perez
>Iranian farmers
To be honest he isn't accurate. They had CHG not Iran_EN/LN.
Dylan Morales
Not really, they just had better terrain and Minoans flourished because of proximity to the Levant, Sicilans and South Italians had Iranian farmers admixture but did literally nothing for 1000 years until Greeks colonized Italy
Aren't they basically related? And there were clearly other migrations to South Europe than just Anatolian farmers. Minoans had some of that Iranian N DNA, they were also mostly J2.
No it’s just retarded, there were bronze age populations with a lot of chg admixture who did nothing like those who lived in Southern Italy, while Sardinians and Iberians had no chg admixture and were much more isolated and yet developed civilizations
Levi Gonzalez
>Sardinians and Iberians had no
Modern do have it.
Cooper Cox
>muh noble farmers
I'm sure you think the Redskins and Celts dindu nuffin too.
Tyler Hall
No they lack chg, ancient Egyptians also had little, not to mention the Chinese and the Native Americans
Brody Cox
Cucuteni-Trypillia did nothing.
Colton Bailey
Iberomaurusians were basal-rich horner (Ethiopian Afar and SSA admixed Yemenis are closest) like mulattoes. Looks like E1 Y-DNA really has African origin. Afroasiatic languages may have had originated among negroids. Berbers were never white. They got whiter due to EEF admixture.
>Pretending that Neolithic to Bronze Age Moroccan and Canary Island samples don't cluster around modern Berbers (who group with other West Eurasians, not Subsaharans)
The Moors still weren't connected to Kunta Kinte.
Brody Brown
Natufians show SSA in Admixture and Treemix. D-stats aren't infallible.
>No affinity of Natufians to sub-Saharan Africans is evident in the genome-wide analysis, as present-day sub-Saharan Africans do not share more alleles with Natufians than with other ancient EurasiansNo affinity of Natufians to sub-Saharan Africans is evident in the genome-wide analysis, as present-day sub-Saharan Africans do not share more alleles with Natufians than with other ancient Eurasians
I've recently read a book about ancient Egypt and apparently we have hundreds of corpses from Badarians and Naqadans. I don't know why won't they test them.
Adrian Flores
Take for what you want iberos seem to be some population more basal than nufians(who had anatolian admixture) with west african admixture. Nufian nonetheless most likely stilll had east african-like admixture/alleles. But not exactly like modern east africans wh are heavily mixed.
So North Africans are actually quite different from Middle Easterners? They aren't just Arabs?
Gavin Powell
Its neither. You need to stop attaching morals and values to history. There is no lesson to be learned here.
Luke Miller
Darkness of the skin correlates to the level of UV B in the region.
Basically, we need a bit of UV for Vitamin E, which means we need lighter skin the less UV there is. But we also need to protect from skin cancer, which means darker skin the more UV there is.
Justin Howard
I know that the Egyptian authorities get all triggered about sending mummies out of the country. Even testing in Egypt is a pain.
There ARE Predynastic mummies in the British Museum that should be open to testing. Last time I checked early attempts to test them didn't work out well from contamination but technology marched on and we got DNA from even earlier samples so yeah.
What would make you think they're just "Arabs"(I'll be generous and apply Arab to Mespotamians too)? They don't cluster with them.
Ayden Johnson
We also have bones from the first race war in Sudan Jebel Sahaba. We do have three ancient egyptian samples and they were very similar to modern bedouins, saudis and yemeni jews.
