"We are against imperialism"

>"We are against imperialism"

Source on Stalin saying that?

Pay reparations you slavic fucks

Because of some ass-backwards definition invented by Lenin stating that imperialist nations are those that are net exploiters, so any socialist country that engages in territorial conquest or political interference is merely spreading the revolution. Plus, there's a bunch of leftists who don't really believe that anyone but Europeans and Americans can be imperialist. It's going to be fun watching them try and hold on to that belief if China decides to start flexing hard power over it's sphere of influence.

>It's not Imperialism if we are liberating the working class from the capitalists !

Hmmm, it's almost like the USSR was not a socialist country but instead, a state capitalist one

Hmmm, it's almost like every attempt to create a communist country ends horribly.

>Invades
That's not how you spell "Liberates"

Yes, because he wrote invades, you retarded tankie

>we liberated the Poles from themselves

They weren't gunna purge themselves

Not that the USSR wasn't hypocritical and at times imperialist, but the anti-USSR narrative conveniently forgets that most of the territory "Russia" took over was part of the Russian empire.

The USSR-Finland war looks a lot less belligerent when you remember everyone in charge of the USSR remembered when Finland was just another province, like Tuva in Russia today. It had only recently broken apart due to collapse of the Czar's government and foreign influence in the wake of WWI. Also, in Finland's case, a similar bolshevik style civil war had been happening just recently but the reds lost unlike how they won in Russia proper. Had the Red Finns won they likely would have willfully joined with the USSR.

Finland was given independence though.

They liberated polish girls from their hymens.

>newly formed armies of Latvia and Estonia BTFO soviet Russia in two fronts
>Treaty of Strazdmuiža
>Soviet Russia recalls any claims that it had on the people of Latvia and the Latvian state for all eternity and recognizes the independence of the Republic of Latvia for all times to come

>20 years later
>lol jk move over

>Not that the USSR wasn't hypocritical and at times imperialist, but the anti-USSR narrative conveniently forgets that most of the territory "Russia" took over was part of the Russian empire.
>Not that the third reich wasn't hypocritical at times, but the anti-third reich narrative constantly forgets that most of the territory Germany took over was part of the second reich.
Bravo /leftypol/

Egypt was once part of persian empire so its ok for iran to invade egypt.

Being ruled by capitalists does not make your country independent. Latvian independence was independence for the bourgeois. As the proletariat got no say in the matter, the treaty was null and void.

Soviet priorities during the civil war period were west, poland and the baltics and eventually (it was hoped) germany, but after getting stalled at Poland there was little initiative for any further adventures into newly independent territories, nearly all divisions were transferred east to fight white remnants and the socialist opposition.

Protip: the baltic states sent delegations to USSR asking to join after the tankies went "nice countries you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to them". This is the reason russians don't recognize the occupation to this day.

Protip:you're a fucking retard

Soviet troops entered the three states and set up mock elections were only select candidates chosen by the kremlin could be votes for at gunpoint

The baltic governments allowed those troops to enter as part of "mutual assistance".

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>move divisions to the border
>let us in or we kill you all
>"no"
>cross over border killing border guards
>fine, you cunts just don't do anything else
>da, comrade
>suddenly the government gets toppled and soviet puppets installed
>whole officer corps and government officials executed
>tens of thousand civilians shot or deported
>you of finally free comrades!!!!

Fuck off, slavshit

t. Catholic Russian

calm your tits m8
I said russians use it as an excuse to go >actually whenever the topic of occupation comes up.

Poles broke Bolshevik codes and found out they were gathering forces in Belorussia to invade Poland. It was preemptive strike before reds could lead an organised offensive.

Learn basic history before you act smart, dumbfuck.

Why do you think Nazi Germany was given so much leeway at the very beginning of its expansion

Protestant Latvian, dumb Mutt

Latvians are literally just rusifized Lithuanians that are less rusifized Poles

>a literal experiment of all races mixed together education

This ain't McDonalds

EVeryone in former Russian EMpire is like this, Finnish culture got created by ALexander II when he needed someone to try his experiments with economy.

You mean liberties, the puppet governments thing is kinda true though.
They also failed whatever it was they intended on doing in Afghanistan, hard.

This

It’s not Lenin’s definition of imperialism, which requires economic exploitation of the colonized country. Although even by that measure the USSR was considered imperialist, and other communist recognized this. China and Albania regularly bitched about Soviet “social imperialism”.

>"We are against imperialism"
Stalin never said this.

>Not that the third reich wasn't hypocritical at times, but the anti-third reich narrative constantly forgets that most of the territory Germany took over was part of the second reich.

I never knew that France, Italy, Norway, Eastern Poland, the Baltic States, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Western Russia, Denmark, Romania, and Bulgaria were all part of the German Empire.

Nobody really gave a shit when they annexed Austria or the Sudentenland m8. But when the Soviets want to push the Finnish border back from Leningrad a bit because Finland was in Germany’s sphere everybody loses their shit.

>that most of the territory Germany took over was part of the second reich.
Absolutely wrong. Austria wasn't part of third reich. Sudentenland and Bohemia-Moravia wasn't part of Second Reich. And i'm not even going to address the territories taken after 1 September 1939.

most of these are technically wrong

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It's almost as if the talking points of modern day left wingers who get called communists, actually have very little to do with the policies of the Soviet Union.

Imperialism is the apitheosis of capitalism.
Socialism can't be imperialistic.

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He was in favor of socialism in one country, the whole trotsky chimpout was because of this.

Almost like Leninism is shit...

At least in terms of government structure and policy. It’s methods of revolutionary organization are top tier. I don’t think modern communists should shy away from admitting the failure of the USSR, which is why modern MLs are the most brainlet of all communists. It’s pretty obvious that we need to explore different methods of organizing a socialist state.

t. Syndicalism gang

>it's not imperialism if they're socialist! Imperialism means [insert some retarded Marxist redefinition]
>ACKCHUALLY it wasn't real socialism, it was state capitalism
>uhhh but we're all anarcho-communists here nobody supports the USSR
>WESTERN LIES, POLAND WAS BEING LIBERATED FROM POLES
The leftist posts never fail to amuse me

>modern mls are brainlet

As opposed to anarchists circle jerking about how intellectually superior they are while literally doing nothing but hurting the cause with brainless violent activism that scares away working class normies. Both tankies and anarchists need to kill themselves.

>implying all these types of posts come from the same person
>implying “USSR dindu nuffin” people and “USSR was state capitalism” people are the same

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>implying all these types of posts come from the same person
I actually pretty heavily implied they come from different people. The problem is they will always make these idiotic excuses instead of just straight up admitting communism is shit and leads to imperialism.

>Both tankies and anarchists need to kill themselves.

I agree, which is why I’m libertarian natsyn.

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Imperialist are natural enemies of imperialism.

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I mean, that doesnt make much sense but good luck mate. Id take nazbol lunatics over anything else the left has to offer, which says a lot about the modern left.

>Cuba
Was this made in 1950?

>The problem is they will always make these idiotic excuses instead of just straight up admitting communism is shit and leads to imperialism.

That’s a retarded ahistorical position. First off, not all communist states displayed imperialist tendencies, the USSR is pretty much the only one. Also thinking that all types of communism are the same is brainlet tier, as is being unable to realize that Leninism and its children (Maoism, Stalinism) is the only model of socialism that was ever implemented on a large scale (aside from Yugoslavian market socialism which was actually pretty good).

All communist states have been either the USSR (imperialist) and their slaves, or China (imperialist) and their slaves. The only exception is Yugoslavia which was also an imperialist prison of nations.

> USSR is pretty much the only one

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You’re forgetting about Albania, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Nicaragua. China wasn’t really imperialist until after Deng’s reforms.

>Yugoslavia was a prison of nations
Is that why a majority of people there regret the collapse according to polls?

news.gallup.com/poll/210866/balkans-harm-yugoslavia-breakup.aspx

>modern China is the same as Cold War China
>modern China is communist

>Vietnam
Soviet bitch
>Laos
Chinese bitch
>Cambodia
Chinese bitch
>Nicaragua
Soviet bitch
Albania was the only unafilliated one.

Actually China was least imperialist when it was actually doing communism.

Having good relations isn’t the same thing as imperialism m8. You have to show that these countries lacked political independence.

You are just retarded

"Puppet Governments"

The Polish communist government received consent from the people when they got 80.1% of the vote in 1947.

Funny how this board loves democracy until people use it to liberate themselves.

Vietnam-Cambodia war was literally a proxy war between USSR and China.

>You
Soviet bitch

>larger powers intervening in a local conflict means that local actors have no agency of their own

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Not intervening rather than pulling the strings. Vietnam wasn't really sovereign until the Cold War was over.

Where are the proofs billy?

Why Billy?

coub.com/view/8jxwl

>coub.com
Not falling for your virus shit again, Ivan.

>takes over Ukraine and starves them to death
>"Fucking capitalists"
>Poland invaded first in the 1920s you nitwit.
Oh look it's another tankie warcrime denial thread

>Ukrainians burn their crops
>starve
>”f-fucking commies!”
>Soviet government prioritizes other regions for famine relief
>”c-commies please help!”

It was a Cold War, don't like America didn't prop up puppet regimes in West Europe. Any time an anti-US party ever got close to winning, the results were annulled. Also Balts' Waffen-SS divisions committed some of the worst war crimes ever.

Save for the butthurt belt, a lot of Eastern Europe looks fondly back to those "puppet governments" which actually industrialized impoverished shitholes that were largely puppets of the Nazis. Even the Poles have been admitting that Soviet times weren't so bad as of recent.

Are you literally retarded? Austria was never part of the Second Reich, neither was the Sudetenland. If we're going by that, the only rightful claims of Germany would've been the Polish corridor, Posen, Memel and Alsace-Lorraine.

And yet WW2 was started over the Polish corridor.

I see you're too dumb to understand the point I was making.

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It was a matter of escalation. If Hitler went for the corridor first, he would've gotten it.

>liberation of working class is imperialism

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>liberation of the working class by making them poor, miserable and a slave

>buzzwords
Communists improved life in shitload of places where they seized power.

They didn't view it as imperialism, they viewed it as liberation from capitalism.

Also, the USSR didn't rule them like the British empire did, they were still independent republics.

t. Deluded tankie

That's a load of BS.

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yes, im sure the famines, genocides and secret police were great improvements.

Yes, that too

I am a marxist, but I'm not going to defend marxist-leninism. I don't think capitalist realize how much different marxists despise each other. Trust me mate, with friends like these, you don't need porky.

No, but rise in living standards, literacy, workers rights, better nutrition, and better healthcare were.

>you cant have bad literacy rates if you genocide all the illiterate ones.

Keep memeing. At first I was trolling but it's amazing to see retards who honestly believe communist regimes were all famine and genocides.
Commies improved a lot of things. That's why they remained in power for so long despite other shit. It wasn't just fear and violence.