Why is there such a hard-on for Rhodesia on here...

>It's pretty fucking clear they weren't ready for it.

Yeah which the Rhodesia government caused it pretty much trucking the chance of ANY moderate from having a political presence. EVERY TIME Blacks used peaceful means to protest and demand for rights the government shat on them hard so of course people will resort to radical measures. The government says "they aren't ready" but said Blacks who protested for equality used clearly peaceful measures and political methods they had on hand (using the western system so jerked off about in Rhodesian discourse) and were denied it.

Most whites aren't farmers in Rhodesia. vast majority are urban.

>Sure, their voting system was unevenly distributed towards whites,

Understatement of the year. The system was designed so Black represenation was capped to only 25% of voting power no matter how much votes they had in urban areas.

Rhodesian society was so autistic about Africans that it sabotaged itself to keep white rule at all costs even when the sheer idea of "a durable white ruled paradise with a Black majority underclass" is completely enviable in a post-colonial world especially when papa Britain isn't covering you.

You talk about their political system from a very ideological point of view. The simple truth of the matter is that if you want your group to survive in an environment with a rapidly breading competitor you have to use counter strategies, some are more effective than others and in the long term apartheid alone isn't effective.

Smith was the fucking moderates. It was that, some wacko fascist or communists. As for protesting, it was in the middle of the war that determined the fate of the country. No shit the government is going to tell them to fuck off and wait.

>The simple truth of the matter is that if you want your group to survive in an environment with a rapidly breading competitor you have to use counter strategies

See that's the weakness in you argument. The Rhodesia government viewed itself as the just in it's treatment of it's Blacks on top of encouraging white society to dive deeper into chauvinism. It ironically also had propaganda about seeing all Rhodesians of all colours and the benefits of the governments rule.

Have you read NOTHING about Ian Smith? here's small wiki quote

>Originally a Liberal, he defected to the United Federal Party in 1953, and served as Chief Whip from 1958 onwards. He left in 1961 in protest at the territory's new constitution, and the following year helped Winston Field to form the all-white, firmly conservative Rhodesian Front (RF), which called for independence without an immediate shift to black majority rule.

The Rhodesian Front was FIRMLY white supremacist.

>As for protesting, it was in the middle of the war that determined the fate of the country. No shit the government is going to tell them to fuck off and wait.

They were before the war lol and others were at the start when the outlook was optimal.

You want to see a moderate. Look up Garfield Todd that guy got kicked out of his own party!

Because /pol/-posters ruin every board with a specific topic

Hey there schlomo

>See that's the weakness in you argument
how is that a weakness in my argument? Its an observation of inter group conflict and your further explanation of the culture of Rhodesia and the result that we all know is just proof that a lack of effective counter strategy will lead to one result, eventual domination by the faster breeding group.

Because what the government said contrasts with the societal/policy reality which was one of racial antagonism against negroes. It framed itself not as dealing with competition (because it had to keep up the nationalist sentiments at the time) but endorsing the natives and uplifting them.

The litteraly claimed that the stone south African ruins were built by ancient Jews the whites the Arabs then Chinese going as far as to make it illegal to say otherwise

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>The litteraly claimed that the stone south African ruins were built by ancient Jews
DNA evidence proves it tho... claiming it was built by blacks is afrocentrism.

Oh my god such atrocities

Thats why the immigration rate of blacks was massive into South Africa and Rhodesia

Omg. White people so evil based on my modern morality that doesn't take into account context of the particular geographic location. Blacks may have been better living under whites than with other blacks (hence the MASSIVE FUCKING immigration rate out of surrounding African countries that literally displaced the native blacks to those particular lands) but they was still under whites and discrimination is and bad!! Jesus said so and he was a black womyn! Based!

Just retarded LARPers from /pol/

This but unironically

What DNA?
metmuseum.org/toah/hd/zimb/hd_zimb.htm

Rhodesia let in Zambian miners to kill it's black wages. The blacks that moved to south Africa also came from white dominated states so no big change in being shat on by white governments. South Africa statistics in the apartheid era is spotty because the government either collected data in inaccurate ways OR didn't bother collecting them.

The woman who researched it in the early 20th century got stacks of letters telling her to stop and bitching at her fir even implying blacks did it. She collected them in fact and she dust even give a shit about the blacks at all but she just wanted to do work.

whc.unesco.org/en/list/364

amp.livescience.com/58200-great-zimbabwe.html

Bantu speaking people built them

>help transition from a colony into an independent nation.
lol why the fuck would they want to do that?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people

Jewish slave/gold traders built it.

No it was built by the Shona people
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

>Great Zimbabwe is a medieval city in the south-eastern hills of Zimbabwe near Lake Mutirikwe and the town of Masvingo. It was the capital of the Kingdom of Zimbabwe during the country's Late Iron Age. Construction on the monument began in the 11th century and continued until the 15th century.[1][2] The edifices were erected by the ancestral Shona.[2] The stone city spans an area of 7.22 square kilometres (1,780 acres) which, at its peak, could have housed up to 18,000 people. It is recognised as a World Heritage Site by UNESCO.

Whitey is omniscient, does everything to spite the proud negro man and always lies for no good reason

Gibsmedat

>has nothing to say
>Starts shitposting nonsense

Simply fresh.

The Shona didn't even know who built it when the first european explorers arrived. They thought it was the work of the devil.

Because the had long sense abandoned great Zimbabwe making other settlements like khami

The freshest

How do you explain the existence of a tribe in southern africa with substantial jewish ancestry AND which claims to have built Great Zimbabwe? Are they just larpers? How do you larp genetics?

Only a small portian of males have middle eastern genetics partially. Small might it be said.

Well of course it has been diluted since the 15th century, when their middle eastern ancestors built Great Zimbabwe :^)

It doesn't resemble any semetic architecture and also archological evidence shows a Bantu origin

>But, most academics of this field agree that the construction of the enclosure at Great Zimbabwe is largely attributable to the ancestors of the Shona, who were first to displace the indigenous San people from the region.[23] Such works were typical of their ancestral civilisations.[23]

It's dosen't even resemble middle eastern architecture

No, the only evidence is bantu pottery, which could've been left there after the bantu migrated into the abandoned ruins.

Quoting wikipedia? Wow, that's a great argument.

That's because it wasn't supposed to be a great city... It was a trading post.

Also UNESCO and other sources where's your source?

The word great distinguishes the site from the many hundreds of small ruins, now known as "zimbabwes", spread across the Zimbabwe Highveld.[5] There are 200 such sites in southern Africa, such as Bumbusi in Zimbabwe and Manyikeni in Mozambique, with monumental, mortarless walls; Great Zimbabwe is the largest of these.[6]

My source is DNA. How do you explain that there exists a tribe in southern africa with substantial jewish DNA on the paternal line, whose founding myths are about jews migrating from Arabia to southern africa, and who claim to have built Great Zimbabwe?

There's older ones that predate great Zimbabwe also

Is copy pasting wikipedia the extent of your intelligence?

They claim with no proof that they did the Shona built more stone settlements after g
And before great Zimbabwe

Where's your source then

>They claim with no proof that they did the Shona built more stone settlements after g
>And before great Zimbabwe
The lemba claims to have built those.

The lemba also claim that they have jewish ancestry. Which DNA tests confirm.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288118/

Or since you seem to like wikipedia so much:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people#DNA_testing

It just say they have Jewish DNA nothing about great Zimbabwe

whc.unesco.org/en/list/364

Scientific research has proved that Great Zimbabwe was founded in the 11th century on a site which had been sparsely inhabited in the prehistoric period, by a Bantu population of the Iron Age, the Shona. In the 14th century, it was the principal city of a major state extending over the gold-rich plateaux; its population exceeded 10,000 inhabitants. About 1450, the capital was abandoned because the hinterland could no longer furnish food for the overpopulated city and because of deforestation. The resulting migration benefited Khami, which became the most influential city in the region, but signaled waning political power. When in 1505 the Portuguese settled in Sofala, the region was divided between the rival powers of the kingdoms of Torwa and Mwene-Mutapa.

Archaeological excavations have revealed glass beads and porcelain from China and Persia, and gold and Arab coins from Kilwa which testify to the extent of long-standing trade with the outer world. Other evidence, including potsherds and ironware, gives a further insight to the property’s socio-economic complexity and about farming and pastoral activities. A monumental granite cross, located at a traditionally revered and sacred spiritual site, also illustrates community contact with missionaries.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe#The_Lemba

>Scientific research
[citation desperately needed]

Gokomere Edit
Archaeologists generally agree that the builders probably spoke one of the Shona languages,[62][63] based upon evidence of pottery,[64][65] oral traditions[58][66] and anthropology[1] and were probably descended from the Gokomere culture.[59] The Gokomere culture, an eastern Bantu subgroup, existed in the area from around 500 AD and flourished from 200 AD to about 800 AD. Archaeological evidence indicates that it constitutes an early phase of the Great Zimbabwe culture.[6][58][67][68] The Gokomere culture likely gave rise to both the modern Mashona people,[69] an ethnic cluster comprising distinct sub-ethnic groups such as the local Karanga clan[citation needed] and the Rozwi culture, which originated as several Shona states.[70] Gokomere-descended groups such as the Shona probably contributed the African component of the ancestry of the Lemba. Gokomere peoples were probably also related to certain nearby early Bantu groups like the Mapungubwe civilisation of neighbouring North eastern South Africa, which is believed to have been an early Venda-speaking culture, and to the nearby Sotho.

Recent research Edit
More recent archaeological work has been carried out by Peter Garlake, who has produced the comprehensive descriptions of the site,[71][72][73] David Beach[1][74][75] and Thomas Huffman,[58][76] who have worked on the chronology and development of Great Zimbabwe and Gilbert Pwiti, who has published extensively on trade links.[14][29][77] Today, the most recent consensus appears to attribute the construction of Great Zimbabwe to the Shona people.[78][79] Some evidence also suggests an early influence from the probably Venda speaking peoples of Mapungubwe.[59]

Not even Poles like Poland
t. Pole

Jesus, you're such a dumb nigger you can't even copy paste from wikipedia properly.

Historical Hipsters. This is the same reason that the Byzantine Empire is popular on Veeky Forums.

>No argument
>Better use adhominem

google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/58200-great-zimbabwe.html

metmuseum.org/toah/hd/zimb/hd_zimb.htm

Stone Ruins
The ruins of this complex of massive stone walls undulate across almost 1,800 acres of present-day southeastern Zimbabwe. Begun during the eleventh century A.D. by Bantu-speaking ancestors of the Shona, Great Zimbabwe was constructed and expanded for more than 300 years in a local style that eschewed rectilinearity for flowing curves. Neither the first nor the last of some 300 similar complexes located on the Zimbabwean plateau, Great Zimbabwe is set apart by the terrific scale of its structure. Its most formidable edifice, commonly referred to as the Great Enclosure, has walls as high as 36 feet extending approximately 820 feet, making it the largest ancient structure south of the Sahara Desert. In the 1800s, European travelers and English colonizers, stunned by Great Zimbabwe’s grandeur and its cunning workmanship, attributed the architecture to foreign powers. Such attributions were dismissed when archaeological investigations conducted during the first decades of the twentieth century confirmed both the antiquity of the site and its African origins.

This doesn't disprove what I said. The Rhodesians failing at employing an effective counter strategy doesn't disprove the fact that one was needed for white rule to continue. They could say absolutely fucking anything and it wouldn't change the facts about inter group conflict, so why dont you actually consider what I said instead of babbling about shit that isn't relevant and STILL DOESN'T DISPROVE WHAT I SAID.

>Rhodesia was a fascist dictatorship that was no different then the Jim Crow laws of the South nor the Confederacy or white European colonialism

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I get very homoerotic vibes from the obsession with the shorts tbqh

White Africans did this to themselves.

They wanted a huge swath of land occupied by Blacks, control over the natural resources, and wanted to rely on Black labor.

They should have pulled an Israel and made much, much smaller states on less desirable land and then controlled the border and movement much more stringently.

Instead they wanted it all and predictably lost.

Inter group conflict wasn't required or inevitable. There's no reason the different ethnic groups couldn't have got along, or even stopped seeing themselves as separate groups, but as usual racist autism about black people fucked it up

Oh no those evil white people bringing schools, hospitals, and civilization.

>They kept blacks down
Nah no they didn't, blacks did
>They did, though
Well only because they hated them and wanted to, it doesn't prove anything, you're ideological

What the fuck, dude?

>brutal
punishing black criminals for committing crimes is not brutality user

>MFW white supremacists are literally incapable of maintaining white supremacy
It's their whole raison d'etre and they suck at it. And like the Nazis losing to the slavs, they get defeated by the very group they claim superiority over.

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This. All of history since 1900 has been systematically disproving /pol/ retardation.

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Is anyone here that are trying to defend the blacks are actually black ask yourself why if you are

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>pointing out how shitty Rhodesia was means you like Mugabe

Nice whataboutism lad.

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what

>Rhodesia let in Zambian miners to kill it's black wages. The blacks that moved to south Africa also came from white dominated states so no big change in being shat on by white governments.

So in other words life was better under the White rulers of Rhodesia as demonstrated by the fact that Zambians traveled there to work in the mines. How exactly does that counter the claim bthat was being made?

>black people
>retard /pol/ white supremacists who have never left their basement, but have read a lot of infographics and Veeky Forums screenshots
Yeah I think I'm siding with our colored cousins here

>Mugabe somehow justifies a pathetic attempt to set up a white supremacist state which was quickly crushed by the very people it set out to oppress

It was built by the Yemeni people that brought cattle to Africa. The Lemba genetics proves this, as they got their paternal lineages from Yemen around the time. They are also regarded as high class in the area. It's clear that they are descended from the Yemeni upper class of Zimbabwe.

>white people fighting pther white people to end white supremacy
?

>There's no reason the different ethnic groups couldn't have got along, or even stopped seeing themselves as separate groups, but as usual racist autism about black people fucked it up
>Just pretend they aren't black!
lol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gukurahundi

>the Jewish people go from strength to strength, with their own secure and internationally recognised homeland
>all western nations have accepted the necessity and benefits of an open immigration policy
>racial essentialism has collapsed in polite discourse
>miscegenation is widely accepted, from presidents daughters to the British royal family
It's a good time for all

Rhodesia was an Anglo zionist shithole. Harold Covington went there to enlist as a merc and ended up being deported for antisemitism. When it comes to kikes, I unironically agree with Mugabe more than with Ian Smith

I'm glad that some anons are still on the side of honesty. Classic Veeky Forums, some of us that can actually bread are here for the bantz and the others get their news and facts here. No wonder the Russians were at liberty to take advantage of our democracy. We still have fags race baiting instead of helping their fellow American.

>Blacks taking credit for the things handed to them by White leftists
No great surprises here.

im a wagecuck user

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>it's literally impossible to not be racist. I've tried

>miscegenation is widely accepted, from presidents daughters to the British royal family

Are you kidding me? Just search meghan markle benchwench on google and see how accepted it is. Let alone Malia Obama.

Basically.

literally even blacks understand this

Literally R*dd*it: the post.

bedwench*

Fucking idiot it's not like it's niggers "defeating" whites, it's jews and self hating liberals. If whites were to wake up (wich we are abcnews.go.com/Politics/28-approve-trumps-response-charlottesville-poll/story?id=49334079)

>my wh*toid ass is on FIRE

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Oh, it's an /int/ poster, i feel kinda bad for you desu. Besides i'm not an american and thus far we are still a majority where i live and it wont change within atleast 70 years. I'm just happy that within a few years a civil war will inevitably break out in america and most negroes will be killed

>trying to insult whites by posting a non-white mutt
Why are mudskins so dumb?