What are your thoughts on David Irving?

What are your thoughts on David Irving?

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Not even a bazooka-carrying David Irving would save one of the dullest regimes in the history of totalitarian states. Seriously, each history chapter surrounding the failed painter and his pals from the National Socialist German Workers' Party as they fight what they call the „international Jewry“ has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the monumental imagery, the regimes‘ only consistency has been it’s lack of excitement and ineffective use of it’s military, all to make anti-semitism seem tactically Jewish, to make it’s misinterpreted Nietzschean inspiration seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Hitler ordered the Night of the Long Knives: he made sure his regime would never be taken seriously by anyone besides the world’s most ignorant, moronic extremists. Just a ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for his book.
The Third Reich might have been anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly anti-adventurous in it’s refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least their military was good though
„No!“ The Wehrmacht was dreadful, their campaigns ultimately a disaster. As I studied, I noticed that everytime they went to war, the Germans conducted one or another atrocity. I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that the Wehrmacht conducted an atrocity or conducted some form of „Jewish“ act, such as false-flag attacks. I stopped only after I marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. The mind of a National Socialist is so governed by autistic fantasies of romantism that they have no other way of acting. Later I read a lavish, Holocaust-denying paper on Adolf Hitler by David Irving. He wrote something to the effect of, „If these kids are reading /pol/, they will go on to read David Irving.“ And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read /pol/, you are, in fact, trained to read David Irving.

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honest guy
in a hard spot between not being able to embrace hitler and not being able to call him evil

I dont belive in freedom. It is the stupid idea. This waste of sperm -
majority of people - dont deserve freedom. Freedom is tyrany of mediocracy.

It is not hard spot. Maybe to you it is hard. But it calls objectivity.hard spot. What a nut!

Hey fag. It is not misinterpreted Nietzschean philosophy as your teachers told you. Nieatzchean philosophy is realy about that kind of shit.

I have no strong feelings either way. I do however find it funny that he got utterly fucked at the libel trial he started.

good meme
sensible chuckle/10

based

Just finished Lipstadt's book on Holocaust denial, after which he sued her for libel for calling him a denier. The fact that an English court found him in fact to be a denier is pretty funny.

His anti-semitic beliefs cloud his judgement regarding well established history. Which makes one wonder, is a "historian's" work valuable if the basic premise is based on a biased perspective? Sure we all have a certain level of bias, like an Arab perspective of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis is going to be different from a Jew's perspective, but if there was a Korean historian interested in the topic and had written books about similar subjects wouldn't you regard his opinion a little higher than the Arab or Jew?

I've heard that his books were once well received, but always with a suspicious focus on the Allied civilian bombings and displacements and basically ignoring the Final Solution, eventually coming to the conclusion that it was a "hoax".

>What are your thoughts on David Irving?
A mediocre and throughoutly forgettable historian who embraced Holocaust denial because he figured out it was the only way he was going to get some publicity. Bad press is better than no press, after all.

In this sense he is not much different than Miley Cyrus humping a plush doll and rolling in mud for the shock value.

Got totally BTFO on his trial which proved that his writing was funded by far right organizations.

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But who is not anti semitic? Everyone is expect of jews. And official history of ww2 is almost complite lie. He wrote mostly true.

No.

You're right, the "Jews" faked the whole thing. Mein Kampf, the Nuremburg Laws, Kristallnacht. Not just the Holocaust, but the whole of National Socialism, whose defining feature is it's obsession with Jews. That's what distinguishes it from just plain old fascism.

They also only had to swear every single soldier who liberated an imaginary camp to absolute secrecy, and not a single one has broken their word yet, is there anything they can't do?

Every movement needs enemy. No matter who enemy is. Everthing is good that helps to succed. As for pity humanitarian cobsiderations.Only fools believe in it.

They were dead people . But how did they die? Out of starvation dissieses not everyone was killed.

"There"

Wonder why the camp guards were so fit and healthy? Must be that famously typhus resistant German blood

>the guards should socialize with the prisoners

Why would that affect the amount of food given to the prisoners?

it would affect getting lice and typhus from them, hence the guards' resistance

How is killing millions of people that could otherwise have been used for labor, but instead just shot in the head in a field somewhere and buried in a pit with dozens of others, helping the cause? It was a complete waste of resources, time, and energy to enact any kind of genocidal policy, yet they did it anyway.

As for humanitarian issues, nowadays it's basically a detente against other nations. The less crimes against humanity you commit, the more other countries or you're own people will try to depose you.

Hack

So why weren't the military prisoners held in nearby camps suffering from typhus and starvation? Why were military prisoners housed in concentration camp systems not suffering from typhus and starvation? Why were none of the guards suffering from starvation?

Why is the holocaust so sacred? Why does no one care about other genocides?

I love this meme

I've never met the man and not read the entirety of his bibliography, but here are my 2 cents:

He's a very good archivist. He's quite diligent and talented at discovering new sources of information, or digging up ones that have been overlooked. However, once he has that information, he proceeds to distort it heavily to fit his ideological biases, such that I wouldn't even call him a historian at all, even a bad one.

He actually seems to be a Hitlerboo first and foremost. Before embracing full holocaust denial, he had this notion that he tried to express in things like Hitler's War that it happened, there were mass liquidations of Jews numbering into the millions, but it was done by other figures in the Nazi establishment (mostly Goebbels) and without the knowledge or consent of Hitler himself. He only turned to saying it didn't happen when he had information shoved in his face making it untenable to simultaneously believe that it happened but Hitler wasn't aware of it, so to preserve his good opinion of Hitler, he needed to believe that the Holocaust never happened.

It's also why he invests so heavily in talking up Allied atrocities, most infamously exaggerating the Dresden death toll into ludicrous amounts. If everyone is committing atrocities in a huge war, then you can't morally blame Hitler as the worst figure of all time, everyone was doing it.

People do care though.

They didn't fake it, but they were certainly behind all of it.

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Denial of the Holodomor and the Rwandan Genocide is illegal in some countries as well.

>The less crimes against humanity you commit, the more other countries or you're own people will try to depose you.

Are you serious? It's the opposite. Dictatorships are very unstable and prone to foreign intervention because all the shit they do.

Absolutely BTFO guy

I constantly confuse him with David Icke

Can someone do a JUST edit on him