What Nietzche actually said: >"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
> You must cite an entire paragraph of text! XD What the fuck? Are you retarded or what? His full quote doesn't even contradicts the short iconic statement.
>He thinks Nietzsche is sad or regretful about god "dying" nice reading comprehension >laughinggirls.jpg
The more popular he is, the more misinterpreted he gets by the masses. Stop mentioning his name. Elitism saves.
Not him personally, but he was one in a billion. He's lamenting the masses, who just a few decades later would face the consequences of god's death.
Only elites wont change the world Welcome to the world after french revolution Only masses can do something
The sad realisation is that God is really dead and while the atheist will accept that in the sheer absurd nihilism of meaningless existence and theist will try to worship the corpse with his hollow rituals and pointless cargo cult lip service, there no one remains who could restore the glory of God once again.
The masses are located and placed in a system that you could be compared to the allegory of the cave. People do not know, let alone having access to information and other things that could help them compete with the elite. Schools, books, universities and free information are self sustaining and deceptive systems. Or how N. would say: A master wouldn't teach his slaves how to rule
I can understand that masses are dumb But without them we will not change the world Maybe I'm in trouble with my individualism but it's hard to me I think that real Ubermenstch would rather save the world and other people than doing nothing and masturbating to himself how great he isn't You may be great but if anyone wont understand you you will be always be average person
So... What exactly his stance? Is he an atheist? Theist? Or you he just wrote a bunch of pretentious nonsense to trigger normies and you can swing his words either way?
Probably at Ecce Homo he said that atheims comes to him naturally May be bad translation dont have book right now to check
Why discuss his thoughts when you cannot even spell his name correctly?
>Is he an atheist? Theist?
That's not the question. Dumb fucking idiots always concerned with the material. The issue is one of morality. Morality has to be based on something and in the west it was based on absolute truths of Christianity.
Because the Enlightenment and the scientific revolution shattered the veil of absolute Christian truth, something had to replace it. Nietzsche himself was very critical of the pillars of Christianity and viewed it as slave morality, whereas he proposed a master morality based on strength and glory and conquest of the self.
The problem with his morality is that it only works for a very small minority of people. The masses need slave morality and so far they have not been given a new one. In the absence of morality you have the world wars and the decadence that followed
nietzsche said we should move beyond master and slave morality. which would one day make the ubermensche
> In the absence of morality you have the world wars and the decadence that followed. It isn't like there were no wars or decadence before the enlightenment. Technological advancements just made wars more deadly and decadence more decadent.
One of the best Nietzsche inrepretation i ever heard *clap clap* user (no irony)
That actually made me interested in getting around to reading Nietzsche faster. Thank you! (i'm just a brainlet newfag that hasnt even read nizshe yet hahahaha)
Yea but gay marriages, destroying of the family, egalitarism, feminism, pacifism, trans *ekhm* (((people))) and many others its the effect of no morality
The last time Philosophers had influence into the elite group was about 2300 years ago. The last time a politician had influence was the Ceasar family 2100 years ago. The last people who tried to revolutionize against the elite were Napoleon 1989, Lenin 1926, Hitler 1934. All of them lost. Life and the world became nothing but cold business after the industrial revolution. All this ein Übermensch would be aware of. You either become the elite or you die under it.
> pacifism > egalitarianism Both existed from the dawn of times. People like equality and not being killed in some nonsensical war.
Napoleon 1789, I apologize for the typo
Revolutionares lost but revolution succed There are no longer nobility or kings It's past To make future greater we need to lead the masses
Wrong. "equality" as a moral good is the invention of the enlightenment. The foundation on which the west was built has always been hierarchy and inequality. The very notion of religion is hierarchical with God the supreme being to which everyone else strives.
Yea and nowadays there are still flat-earthers Nobody gives a fuck about them like nobody gave a fuck about pacifists and egalistarians X time ago Now pacifims is common and egalitarism is known as social good nobody can deal, its like modern god.
Modern 'West' doesnt praise God Modern 'West' praise equality West is dead
>flat-earthers even if you don't agree, the fact that something so trivial and simple is hard to refute just goes to show that people will believe anything. Round Earthers who attack with ridicule and "can you believe this lmao???XDDDD" exposes the intellectual laziness of the modern man. >the massess the mass asses should be killed off in favor of not the strong, but the heroic.
Equality was invented by Christianity. The church is literally the oldest institute of globalisation in the world.
Yes a god that says everything is equally beautiful and everyone is equally competent and that there is only one race, the human race and that to pass value judgements is inherently wrong.
Well, you're not going to get a David or a 9th Symphony in that society any time soon.
Art is a very good reflection of the times and it's no coincidence that the greatest art was made under the patronage of the catholic church. The greater the hierarchy the greater the prospect of transcendence. And coming back to Nietzsche and God, whether he exists or not is irrelevant, what matters is that the prospect of his existence is necessary. And that was Nietzsche's point and why he laments the death of God, even though he himself saw Christian morality as weak.
> The very notion of religion is hierarchical The very notion of God assumes that all people are equal as they are all insignificant compared to him.
>what is heaven >what is hell
All equal rite :^)
>mass asses should be killed i wish it happend but unfortunetly not possible nowadays
Pacifism was always the most moral position. The traditional war was an activity for a select few. Plain folks was rarely a soldier, he was a peasant, burger or maybe priest at best. Normal person participation in the war is the modern day decadence far worse than any gay marriage.
If you believe that being in heaven make you superior to people who are in hell, you commit the sin of pride and will burn in hell with whoever you consider being below yourself.
"Formerly one had the theory of the state as a calculating utility: now one has the practice as well! — The age of kings is past because the peoples are no longer worthy of them: they do not want to see the symbol of their ideal in kings, but a means for their profit. — That is the whole truth!" - 725 ( Summer-Fall 1883 )
He meant the industrial revolution and the false individualism that came with it. Capitalism brought new kings, that's what he meant. N. despised leading the masses, especially as a philosopher. If he was to choose which kind of ruling system he wanted, he explicitly referred to plato's the republic, politeia. Which would be the exact opposite to individualism, with the exception of the upper caste.
Another thing. Please don't use quotes from Will to Power. These are notes and writings he never wanted to become public, probably because they were too personal.
Passivism in the face of evil, is evil.
Being in heaven is infinitely superior to being in hell.
If you can't figure that out, you can't make the right choice, now, can you.
The face of evil exists only in fear mongering propaganda. Ubermensch should transcend fears.
The state of being doesn't make one thing in itself superior to another.
>MORALITy CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT THIS ONE SPECIFIC ANCIENT CANAANITE MYTH
This thread is almost as bad as the /pol/ one. But only barely.
have some dignity to the subject
There's only so many years of hearing the same baseless arguments about Christianity being needed for morality and people just claiming it's true without any evidence that someone can take before they just stop taking it seriously.
They're profoundly dumb ideas.
might sound dumb but how could god, an eternal and perfect divinity, die?