The Ulster Scots/Scotch Irish

>obesity
>IQ
>income
>education
>drug abuse rate
>these are somehow not quantifiable metric

A. these are statistics largely brought on by specific socioeconomic circumstances ins specific regions
Kentucky is a lovely place to live, so is Texas
B. will we ignore all those other southern gentry that did things like create the US?

>are all the dicks you suck quantifiable?

>southern gentry
Largely Anglo-Saxon all over the South. Scots Irish have mostly been the plebs.

Butthurt.

>Scotch-Irish aren't Anglo-Saxon
user, I...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people

>X isn't Y
Well yeah it isn't.

>SCOTCH-Irish
>Anglo-Saxon
Honey...

For god's sake, UT's SCOTS-Irish not SCOTCH! Scotch's a drink you pleb!

A bit irrelevant, but as a Southerner, the Scots-Irish and the Afrikaners are probably my favorite foreign cultures.
We're united by hardiness, Protestantism, and a stereotype of being white-trash bigots.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans
The state of you.

Ulsterfag here

Ask me anything I guess. I like to think I'm generally pretty knowledgeable, but I also have academic expertise in linguistic shifts in Ulster and the Scottish Lowlands if you're curious about that.

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Should Cromwell have stopped at Drogheda?

*rapidly amplifying jig*

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Thoughts of the Scots influence on the dialects of the American South?

Lowland Scots are LITERALLY Englishmen in skirts

Which isn't an insult, because c*lts are cucks.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Northumbria

>Wikipedia is by and for flaming faggots

Who, would you say, is the national hero of the Ulster Scots?

Irrelevant.
Anglo-Saxon mixed with Scot and native Briton. Even the English are predominantly Celtic.

Not him, but it's probably William III.

Yes, he was a naughty boy.

Neat but somewhat overstated, Scots was already on its way out as the vernacular when settlement of the South was getting underway.

I wouldn't say there is one, Ulster Scots as an identity distinct from Irish is a very recent thing, so there hasn't been much of a nationalist tradition for them as much as their has been for the rest of Ireland or Scotland. I'd say to see what the future holds but I don't think it'll even last another hundred years.

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>describing ethnicity in genetic terms poke my haplogroup owns a language
ethnology brainlet

>describing ethnicity in genetic terms poke my haplogroup owns a language
What does this """sentence""" even mean?

Myth not supported by genetics.

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*Terms like my

Even then, it doesn't make much sense.
Are you criticising my use of the word "Celtic"?

That's not how ethnology works

>genetically Celtic
>consider themselves Scottish
>but they're somehow Englishmen

Because ethnicity isn't determined by genes.
Vague sociological tools like race do, but not specific genetics.

>ethnicity isn't determined by genes
What is it determined by then?

>genetically 'x'
Highlanders and lowlanders are so different it's laughable

>the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

>literally the first result on Google
Noice.
An ethnicity in the conventional sense (i.e. what everyone but you means when they say "ethnicity") is defined by genetic factors. I have never seen it be used in any other sense until now.
Why were you arguing that Lowland Scots are Anglo?

Lowlanders are genetically closer to highlanders than they are to the English.

Because they are Anglic in culture

It's the amerimutt stereotype that you can be fractions of ethnic groups rather than objectively looking at your lifestyle to see what your place is in the world

Genetics means fuck all to ethnicity

It would mean that French isn't an ethnicity, but only Gaul, Frank, Roman, etc.
all dead peoples.

>Anglic in culture
How so? They have been members of the Scottish nation for a millennium. The Lowlanders adopted clans and today they wear funny tartans and speak with a funny accent. They identify with Scotland more than England.

You're a fucking idiot. I mean seriously, their identity isn't English, their genetics aren't English, nothing about them is English.

That funny accent is Scots, an Anglic language
That continuum is from the likes of the Angles of Northumbriaot the Gaels from Ireland

I meme that they're ENGLISH but they ARE Anglo

Yes, it's Scots, which is a Scottish language. You only find the Scots language in Scotland, therefore it's Scottish.
Unless you're arguing that it isn't Scottish because it originates from people who weren't ethnically Scottish, which would conflict with what you originally said.

>Anglo
>English
That's literally the same thing.

Scotland is not unified.
The Gaels that inhabit the highlands are different than the Anglic lowlanders.
They live different lives, different cultures.

England is a nation. Anglo/Anglic is a description of ethnicities defined by Anglo-Saxon culture.

Anglo is a synonym of English.

>Scotland is not unified
Last time I checked a map of the British Isles, it is.
Different cultures can exist within a nation. London culture is FAR different to Northern English culture, traditional Bavarian culture is different to Prussian culture.

So what do you think of the Northumbrians compared to the Gaels?
Same people?

They're both been two sides of the same Scottish coin for a thousand years.

So the Scots don't have one face, but two? A Celtic one and a Anglic one?

You unironically think Glasgow is culturally more similar to Kent than it is to the Highlands?

Yes, Lowlanders and Highlanders are both Scottish.

So we submit that Scotland is something of a construct binding two different people?

If they were monolingual to their respect ethnic groups, the Lowlander and Kentish man can talk, while the Highlander cannot even SPEAK to the Lowlander.

There's more to culture than language, and there was plenty of cross-cultural pollination between the Highlands and Lowlands.

>If they were monolingual to their respect ethnic groups, the Lowlander and Kentish man can talk
It's interesting that you should say that because we have on historical record a letter of complaint from a 16th century Northumbrian landlord in Ireland who was renting out properties to tenants from the Mairches, and noted that their speech and writing "could not be reckoned or understood."

Essentially, yes, but this is what most countries in Europe are. Anglo-Saxons are made up of Angles, Saxons and Jutes, the Germans are made up of various different nations, the Spanish were once separate kingdoms and cultures that still exist today (i.e. Catalans and Castilians). Same with the Italians.
Both are still Scottish.

I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on Scots, which might be of some interest to people ITT. I want to follow it up with another article on Scots as it was spoken in Ulster, or maybe even a book, but I have to actually work for a living now which complicates things

academia.edu/36040513/An_Examination_of_the_Process_by_which_Scotland_became_an_English-Speaking_Country

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Lowlanders used to speak Gaelic until the early modern period. You're basically saying they somehow became Anglos just because they started speaking a language somewhat similar to English, which is retarded.

>Mairches
Guess what clicked on, and guess what I could understand
sco.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mairches

Yes, you can change into another ethnicity, given cultural pressure and time.
That's why some ethnic groups are considered dead even though they weren't all physically killed.

But they didn't change ethnicity, they're still ethnically Scottish. You think ethnicity is just a synonym of language? Are you that daft?

>n-no

>t. buttmad wigger

The Scots wikipedia isn't written in actual Scots. It was started by a group of Gaelic activists to take the piss out of Scots and siphon funding away from them by demonstrating that it wasn't sufficiently different form English, and over the years some genuine activists have gotten caught up in it.

This
>Historicalie, the name Scots Borders designatit the hail border region o soothren Scotland an, thegither wi neiborin auries o Ingland, wis pairt o the historical Borders region.
Isn't Scots

This
>Syne, the name o 'Scots Borders' denomatit the hail brink quhalter o sothron Scotland, an serrit wae nychtborit quhalteris o Ingland, wis pairt o the synit Borders quhalter.
is Scots

And that's modern Scots, which has been very anglicised compared to 16th century Scots.

The labels we apply to things and the reality of things do not always mesh.
Lines need to be drawn along the tangible.
We aren't all still the Yamnaya Indo-Europeans of 3,000 years ago

I stand properly corrected then

But you're literally just labeling them Anglo-Saxons because their mother tongue is a language related to English, even though they consider themselves to be Scottish, and their genes are still Scottish. Based on your criteria, Liberia, Barbados and Jamaica are Anglo-Saxon too.

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>the American South was made and defined by the Scotch Irish.
and thats pretty harsh criticism

More things go into that, and I'm actually advocating for a certain level of overlap.
The Scots are likely the most Celtic of the Anglos.
The Jamaicans are the most Anglic of those Bantus.

Personally, I don't want to make the Scottish less Scottish. They are themselves, and what they are ought to be seen in all respects to how they think themselves and how they live.

At the end of the day, they are indeed Scots.

Delet this y*Nkoid

>the Jamaicans are the most Anglic of the Bantus
The shit I read on this board kek

>t. bastard son of a buttmad wigger

well what do you call ethnic group that adopt features from elsewhere?
where is the line drawn?

of course it’s a shithole
their entire culture is based on how Not-Irish they are, to the point they make up absolute bullshit alt-his

Why do you Irishmen have such an unhealthy hatred? And the dumbasses here just stroke your puny ego.
Ireland is shit.

>The Scots wikipedia isn't written in actual Scots. It was started by a group of Gaelic activists to take the piss out of Scots and siphon funding away from them
that's disgusting

>Scots
>Irish
>people
lel

Reminder that Ulster-Scots people deny their own actual history in favour of an autistic anti-irish fever dream.
Reminder that Ulster-Scots people don't care about "Ulster-Scots" but pretend to care about it to offset the Irish language even though Ulster-Scots is a dead dialect and Irish is a dead language.
Reminder that Ulster-Scots history and protestant history of Ireland including the plantations is fascinating and a valid part of both British and Irish heritage but Ulster-Scots people throw it all away for sake of muh uvf and muh england.

Reminder that Ulster-Scots people are the Irish people of the Irish people. They are the whiny, irrelevant and incompetent faggots with a victim complex of the people on the island of Ireland, an island full of whiny irrelevant and incompetent people.
Sever Ulster from Ireland and bomb it into the fucking sea, we don't want to keep it and the Republic don't want to take it.

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Ulster fag here, there seems to be some debate on if we ulster scots are Anglo or not

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so here is my dna results

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>Italian

Ulster is the Fourth Rome

>Being such a meme people that your culture is entirely based around how not Irish you are while living in Ireland and stealing Irish symbols
lmao