Who was the most Machiavellian politician in history, diabolical mastermind...

askme
askme

Who was the most Machiavellian politician in history, diabolical mastermind unhinged yet effective in strife for power, unlike the others?

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Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You misunderstand Machiavelli

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

probably some guy who got killed

RumChicken
RumChicken

autist.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

The Prince was a satire (but brainlets use it as the guide anyway), user.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Joe Stalin.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The Prince was a satire
Lmao, no.

MPmaster
MPmaster

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Who was the most Machiavellian politician in history, diabolical mastermind unhinged yet effective in strife for power, unlike the others?

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MPmaster
MPmaster

frederick the great of prussia

StonedTime
StonedTime

sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1850Macaulay-machiavelli.asp

Is this bait?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

tfw smugly smirk while reading The Prince

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Tiberius.

5mileys
5mileys

Cao Cao

cum2soon
cum2soon

unironically this

idontknow
idontknow

Stalin

also machiavelli wasn't a machiavellian, didn't advocate machiavellian tactics, and was a hugely deluded idealist who thought gathering a civic militia and lecturing them about roman ideas of virtue would make them better soldiers than professional armies

TreeEater
TreeEater

Didn't Machiavelli advocate to use professional armies instead of hiring mercenaries?

Evilember
Evilember

Probs the Rothschilds

RumChicken
RumChicken

Brainlet answer. Read about Stalin, and by that I don't mean "read what butthurt Trotsky wrote".
Was he a paranoid murderer? Yes.
Was he just in it for power? No. He was a fanatic communist. Almost all of shit he did he did because he thought it's the best course of action for his country. He made plenty of mistakes of course.
Why would such a power-hungry man be a Bolshevik? Bolsheviks were a fringe group for most of their existence. Are you saying a purely opportunistic man would spend the best years of his life in such a movement, living the life on the fringes of society, if he wasn't ideologically commited?
Would such a man leave his son to die in a German POW camp?

TechHater
TechHater

no, he advocated for militias motivated by civic pride. he didn't see much of a distinction between professional soldiers and mercenaries

FastChef
FastChef

OP's criteria is
diabolical mastermind unhinged yet effective in strife for power
it's hard to argue stalin does not fit that description

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Unironically Napoleon
tfw the guy who presents your bride almost kills her with a fiery ball

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

ywn go back to the banter of ed, Nick and David
;-;

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Since he was proven correct multiple times I don’t see what’s wrong with that

Illusionz
Illusionz

Well second guy implied he was purely power-hungry man, not an idealist. That's just false. Stalin was an idealist.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Portugal as a country

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

He was proven catastrophically wrong when he was Florentine minister for war and his militia got hideously boned by Spanish professional soldiers

King_Martha
King_Martha

Not mutually exclusive. Hitler, Mao, Castro, Chavez, all idealists, all involved in fringe movements but also ruthlessly power-hungry

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yes those were formed from Spaniards, not Italian conditerri

Flameblow
Flameblow

the word "Machiavellian" still has a fucking definition you absolute überautists

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Yes

hairygrape
hairygrape

Not him, but a Machiavellian would be a pragmatist, not an idealist. Stalin did a lot of stupid shit like forced collectivization and industrialization because he literally thought he was the genius that would lead the working class towards communism.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

diabolical mastermind unhinged yet effective in strife for power
I have never actually read anything by Machiavelli

Jesus Christ, what a fucking normie-tier understanding of the man and his writings.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Tbh Machiavelli said the Prince must be ruthless in favor of the well being of the state, most rulers/politicians were out for themselves and went out of their way to harm the state in many occasions for purely selfish reasons.

I think Talleyrand is the closest one can get to being the ideal Prince

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