Hello Veeky Forums
Do any of you guys use MDMA/ecstacy? How does fit in with your Veeky Forums lifestyle?
I'd consider myself Veeky Forums and I enjoy rolling once a month or so. I barely drink and I don't smoke.
I rolled yesterday and hit a gym PR today so I've not found that it has affected my lifting. It's not affected my professional life either.
On the other hand, having these experiences has made me very very happy.
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Will catch up with you after a while, can leave you quite depressed. A fun phase for many, but not sustainable.
I've been doing this for over five years though. My lifestyle/diet seems to have annuled the negative aspects so far at least.
Do not take mdma more often than 2-3 times a year with at least 3 months between trips.
I have. And I truly believe that many of the experiences I've had under the influence of psychedelics, MDMA included, have been invaluable to me as a person.
You shouldn't treat them recreationally the same way you would for marijuana or something though. They need to be treated with respect and moderation. This is especially true of MDMA, as there is a pretty decent amount of evidence to suggest that it's neurotoxic to at least some level.
Just don't start chasing the dragon. Each experience is its own. And this is not something that would be psychologically sustainable to do every weekend for any extended amount of time.
For me 5 years was peak I could get away with, was doing ket as well, and other psychedelics.
They won't wreck you the way some other things will but after you stop there's often a year of mental funkiness. I am fully normal now though.
>Junkie logic
If you came here to have your little habit condoned, you came to the wrong place, bucko. Have you ever stopped to think why you feel the need to take hard drugs? what deficiency do you suffer from that prevents you from being happy, joyous and content in you're own skin, without the use mind altering substances? 5 years of regular ecstasy use has taken a toll on you, you should stop now, before it get's worse
Ultimate gains goblins and very good chance of fucking you up. Just don't bother. I have not and will not take a single drug throughout my life except for coffee.
This guy gets it. I rolled around 15 times between the ages of 21-24. It definitely made me a better, looser, open and secure person. I did find that as time went on recovery started getting harder and harder so it wasn't sustainable for me. The quality of MDMA has gone way down in my opinion so I could also attribute it to that. I will say this, do it with people you unquestionably trust and don't abuse it because you'll end up with serious problems. I'm 25 now just as a point of reference
if you do shit like depressants and hallucinagens for recreation you're a hippie degenerate unfit for civilized society
Take 3 months break every tjme you do MDMA especially if you live in England where for some reason its the norm to do like 5x the recommended amount for one night
Degenerate faggot, not going to make it.
Don't be too harsh on the lad, many of us have done that, but instead of thinking of "cancelling it out" with lifestyle, imagine where your lifestyle could be if you hadn't been doing that...
> And I truly believe that many of the experiences I've had under the influence of psychedelics, MDMA included, have been invaluable to me as a person.
more junkie thinking. It's baffling listening to drug addicts justify their use like it's a positive thing in their life. Nigga you were high as fuck and if that effects you in your day to day, and you give it credence, then you're also going insane.
Experiences like this aren't necessarily just to escape the negative things in a persons life (though many people do use them this way).
If you haven't had a mind altering experience, particularly a chemically induced one, it's difficult to explain. But I think at the very least there's some value in the first-hand realization that everything about your conscious state can be drastically altered. That you can have different feelings, emotions, sensations, etc. Many of which aren't readily accessible in "normal" conscious states. There's a big difference between being a happy person, and the type of euphoria you typically experience during a good roll.
This. This will ensure that every roll is a good one.
Even 3 months apart was too frequent for me, i now drop only on NYE and once in the summer.
This NYE was fucking awesome. I was walking up to QTs
>HEY, you're hot as fuck
and running off before they can respond, mixed with dancing like a mongoloid.
Good feels.
That's a really good point. People would be so much further in life without drugs and alcohol.
This is also totally wrong you can still have interesting thoughts while high or whatever.
Bro, I've had plenty of psychedelic experiences, from mdma to dmt. After being away from that shit for years, I know it's all bullshit and you're just high. The realizations you've had could also be experienced with a clear mind, if you spent the time to go there.
>mdma
>Junkie
clueless anti-drug faggot detected
If you haven't developed any tolerance then you've got strange but lucky genetics
Forgot to add that you should take reasonable doses. If you reach the point where you need 3 pills just to get high you should fucking stop. I have rolled around 6 times and I still get a good high off a single quality pill.
Have you ever listend to somebody describe their tripping realizations? Did they sound fucking retarded? ya because they were. You can't even tell people what you realize on drugs because normal people don't have those insane thoughts.
It's nothing like that really. It's difficult for me to even truly describe to myself these experience in my typical day-to-day sober state.
But even just the realization that vastly different and irregular mental states exist and are possible, can have a pretty lasting - and I think positive - effect.
But I would stop short of saying it's something every body can afford to experiment yet. I can see how it would be better for some minds not to test the limits of sanity.
>clueless anti-drug faggot detected
clueless anti-drug faggot detected here. Oh buddy, I know all about drugs, i've done em all. These harsh conclusions i'm drawing are from my personal experience with drugs and if I could go back in time and tell myself anything it would be to not waste time with that bullshit.
or more likely the experience itself can't be properly expressed because language developed before we had access to these substances
So even your sober self recognizes the insanity, yet you still give those experiences some sort of authority in your life?
yet you don't even know basic drug lingo?
sure convinced me
you wish, maybe your vocab isn't large enough to describe it. Frankly i'm proud of you for making it through life using only 50 words.
>he doesn't know language is a cage
stay pleb
you're a real trippy guy, have fun with that.
this father doesn't look very concerned
>The realizations you've had could also be experienced with a clear mind, if you spent the time to go there.
Sure. You can make that argument. You can probably unlock a lot or all of modes of consciousness through meditation honestly.
But what person is going to be able to put the effort into achieving that if they don't know first-hand what the possible outcomes could be. More likely you'll end up with a person who just sat cross legged and breathed for a couple hours without much of anything happening at all.
If you do MDMA, something is going to happen to the neurochemistry of your brain. Good or bad, something not boring is going to happen. And if you're smart and careful you'll come out a better person for it.
mdma is fun but also risky. lifting and rolling are very taxing on your neural system (the reason why many lifters and mdma users supplement 5-HTP).
If you are rolling you should make sure that your body is properly fueled for the entire time (protein and easy to digest carbs). Most people burn up when taking mdma, for the body it is like non stop hard cardio and after the body burned through your glucose reserves it will turn towards your muscles (quickest was of getting additional energy, fat takes to long).
So if you really have to roll (sidenote: most people recommend waiting at least 6 weeks between trips to ensure your dopamine levels are up for it) I would suggest supplementing 5-HTP and drinking sports drinks (electrolytes and glucose - no caffeine or taurine!).
Personally I prefer taking LSD but you can't really compare the two as LSD will not just turn on "the happy switch" in your brain and will most likely make think deeper thoughts and look for existential meaning in your life. Short term not as fun and druggy as mdma but long term way more rewarding and waaaay less taxing on the body.
once a month is too often. Slow it down.
>imagine where your lifestyle could be if you hadn't been doing [MDMA]
It's not just the state of mental euphoria of the chemical. It's the entire experience of having all your 5 senses in that state of euphoria at the same time. The lights, the music (that you're genuinely passionate about), and enhancing your connection with your GF or BFF while rolling.
You come out the roll with no ego, more open and more loving. It has permanently broken down my macho insecure barriers and now I feel I can truly be myself. Doing MDMA for the first time changed me as a person for the better.
On the other hand, I've done coke, weed, ket, alcohol, cigarettes. Except for the light drinking with friends, I hated all of these and they had no benefit for me.
>yet you still give those experiences some sort of authority in your life?
Not sure I would describe it that way. I'm simply saying the experiences opened me up to the possibility of conscious states I wouldn't have realized were possible otherwise. Some of those states were unimaginably enjoyable, others felt like they could be akin to dementia. But I find this information valuable even now.
>You can probably unlock a lot or all of modes of consciousness through meditation honestly.
You don't even need to meditate, honestly
what information?
You're better off doing that instead of drinking, but cut back to every 3-4 months or so.
Once a month is a bit much. Potential loss to brain gainz isn't worth it.
MDMA is neither of those.
That there are conscious states that exist outside of normal operating parameters.
This isn't to say "I was sad, then I realized it was possible to be happy." Not saying that. Just that there are ways a human being can feel that are just on a completely different spectrum. Good ad bad.
To experience this first-hand can provide some valuable insight. And it can also be fun.
be sure to take 5htp, magnesium, and zinc for mental health post roll
It can feel fun, that's for sure.
The first time I did mdma it was truly the most satisfying experience I have ever had. I was listening to shot for me by drake in my car with my best friend smoking a cigarette and I will never forget that experience, it makes me want to roll again. However every time after that has gotten progressively worse. The high feels cheap and jarring. It lacks the depth it once had. The last time I did it was November of 2015 and I do want to try it again but part of my thinks it’s just a waste of time. Mind you I think drinking alcohol ruins the high of mdma. If you do mdma keep some benzos for the comedown and don’t do any other drug on it, don’t even drink.
You're really overstating this then. If you've experienced the euphoria that MDMA makes possible, then you know that isn't something you can just turn on whenever you feel like. There's something chemically abnormal happening in your brain that produces that sensation. It needs to be triggered.
I never said you could feel like you're on drugs without being on them. But, you could have the same realizations that you find so deep without being on them.
This is good advice
From my own anecdotal experience, DMAE powder, L-arginine, and fish oil are also very helpful.
I rolled just two days ago - I had absolutely no hangover and no comedown.
Anyone else feel like the best high is being drunk and high at the same time? Ive done most drugs a number of times, and nothing beats the alcohol weed combo
I find drugs alot better than alchol, every weekend I'm out partying and I always take 2-3 pills or a fifty bag of speed. I've found that it dosent leave me with a hangover and by Monday I've fully recovered
nice b8
He's not lying.
Well, I'm actually saying that the important realization is to experience these very abnormal mental states first hand. I'm not really talking about all that hippie shit where "I realized making other people happy is actually what makes me happy, and we're all connected," and so on. Of course you can come to those realizations sober.
I just think there's a neurological experience there that's valuable to have under your belt. Experience of loss of self and things like that.
I binged ecstasy aswell as some alcohol and weed at a 4 day festival over new years, my friends all drank fuckloads and smoked heaps of ciggies and their bodies have all pulled up fucked, 2 in the hospital from the amount of damage drinking and smoking does, my body isn't too bad, lost 3 kilos and was very dry when I got home but not too worried cause I'm cutting anyway, my head is fucked though from pumping my brain full of happiness for 4 days plus the anxiety and depression I already have, best 4 days of my life though, me not being the usual sperg I am and being able to share something with so many different people. I think psychs, mdma, weed ect. are definitely worth the very minimal risk of your Veeky Forumsness goals, and desu I actually think the 2 go hand in hand well when used responsibly
Uh, ancient tribes have had access and actively done all sorts of hallucinogens for ages, user
i don't like mdma, the comedown is simply not worth it for me
I suppose it'll be impossible for us to really know, I've done a ton of drugs and have all the experiences you speak of. In my time without drugs I've felt a lot of feelings/thoughts that I once attributed to drugs. Here's where I'll concede, before my first time doing molly, I had no rhythm, I couldn't "hear the beat" in a song, after that first time 14 years ago and to this day, I can feel a beat in every piece of music I hear. On the real, life is 10x better without drugs, and I never had a problem, I did them recreationally. No rehab or anything of the sorts.
Yeah I'm not trying to pitch some Huxleyan utopia where we go through life in a constant drug-altered state. Mind altering chemicals needed to be treated with respect and very careful moderation. All the same it can be a useful tool to have at your disposal.
xanax hydrocodone (any opiate really) weed and a couple beers top tier shit right there
> you're also going insane
We are terrified of madness. We fear it because the Western mind is a House of Cards. And the people who built the House of Cards know that! Someone once said: LSD is a psychedelic substance which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it.
xanax is a benzo, not an opiate
I think he meant xanax, hydrocodone, etc
Psychedelics have been one of the best influences in my life desu.
and they can probably express it much better than we can
let's not talk about drugs you fucking weak minded drug addict.
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>Rolling once a month
Former molly head here. Use to do it all the time and slowed the fuck down since it started causing me severe depression.
Rolling once a month is waaaaay too short of a break time frame for you to be taking. That's going to cause sever serotonin deficiency and will come back to bite you in the ass when youre in you reach your late 30s and you have to be on prescribed anti depressants.
First off, how old are you? How much molly are you taking? Is it Ex or is it MDMA? Are you testing every sample you get to know exactly what you're taking?
Cocaine and alcohol are GOAT tier.
Everything else is pretty trash aside from the occasional MDMA.
>18 drinks into NYE
>pingas are being handed out
>as soon as i feel it start to come on i lose the next five hours
>come out of blackout puking
Apparently up until then I was enjoying myself. Not sure if I want to try it again though.
How fucked is my friend? has partied since hard since 2012 now aged 21, and I estimate has done mdma at least twice a month at minimum for like 3 years. I read somewhere that using once a month, you need a minimum 3 months off for your brain to recalibrate, so he is extremely fucked then?
how does it feel to be a jew cuck?
cocaine and alcohol is liver failure at 40 tier
nothing to do with being a jew cuck, faggot. Why don't you man up and get a real fucking job, druggie scum. I hope you OD and die.
you fucking moron
i'm 28 and am a successful wagecuck you fucking kike
try to understand the subject you brainlet instead of being zealot of propaganda
is there any more idiotic drug other than alcohol?
doubt it
MDMA when it's first found is used for psychotherapy
only when MDMA pills hit the club scene and laced with whatever rat poison the dealers can get causing people died then it takes a bad name