also you'll develop kidney stones if you're dehydrated, and EVERYONE knows that if you're in ketosis you need more water than if you weren't
Henry Barnes
>Sourcing anything from a mommy blog
kys my man
Blake Young
wait, all these observations look like they were from children who were already in bad shape, suffering from seizures and various other maladies.
Wyatt Ortiz
That's where keto retards get their info from, don't they.
Thomas Gray
Maybe sick and fat children shouldn't be on Keto?
Grayson Gonzalez
But I thought keto was good for people who want to lose fat?
Charles Foster
lol it says retard
Angel Ramirez
I only do it to lose weight for a week or two.
Asher Gomez
They only put sick children(that could possibly in anyway benefit from a keto diet) in keto diets. If they end up suffering from something else it's entirely on the diet, not on the children.
Lincoln Campbell
Literally one link, one, from PALEOmom or whatever the fuck that means, out of 10+.
Owen Nguyen
Just because it happens to children doesn't mean it can't happen to you. Keto diet was invented to treat children with epilepsy. Also not every study is done on children.
Xavier Reyes
Keto diets are not even that great for losing weight, most of the weight lost is water weight and when stopping with the diet you'll fastly regain your weight.
Andrew Edwards
eh, i've been on keto for a few months and i'm fine. i feel way better than when i wasn't. 35 lbs down and counting.
Andrew Jackson
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? We're discussing a diet that presents a great risk on certain age groups of people, that's very alarming and telling about its safety and continuity. If children cannot be on ketogenic diets, then why do you think you will do much better? It shows that the diet is not natural or normal in humans and therefore shouldn't be promoted.
Charles Ortiz
children are highly susceptible to anything. of course some sick kids going through the effects of keto flu would have some bad times. keto flu sucks even for an adult
>fastly Daily reminder to ignore all brainlet posts
Luke Ross
>if children have a high mortality from the flu then fully grown adults will be just as bad
Retard detected
Dylan Jones
I definitely did not hold onto 20 pounds of water weight when I weighed 210 and lost the weight on keto
Blake Diaz
Keto is great for losing weight and an excellent diet for certain conditions. Babies and children are also malnourished and have died from vegan and unhealthy diets too. People have heart attacks and strokes taking diet pills. Some People are stupid and will go to extremes to lose weight or live a lifestyle. Mortality rates caused by the Keto diet are very low. Just because it doesn't work for one person doesn't mean it won't work for the next. Low carb/Atkins/Keto are the diets that medical Drs put very obese and prediabetic people on because they work. They work because the body learns to burn fat instead of glucose and stabilize blood sugar. If done incorrectly, like any diet, yes, it can be harmful. Keto is also being considered as the diet of choice for severely autistic individuals.
Lucas Ramirez
keto works great, but not for retards you need to drink more water, increase your intake of minerals like potassium sodium and magnesium. you need to eat alot of green leafy vegetables, you need about 30% less protein then normal. your body produces the glycogen your brain needs itself, and if not, you can eat 20-25g carbs in the start, and when fat adapted (2-4monts of keto), even as much as 50-75g carbs WITHOUT breaking keto.
ive done keto for years, my strenght is the same as on carbs because i'm fat adapted. i can literally run 20 hours straight, never fatigue and mental gains are through the roof.
the body also stores, produes and utilizises leucin more efficiently on keto, so if taken as a supplement, you get SICK gains from it. even when cutting.
ask me anything ketomoms ;)
William King
I'm not a native English speaker, slowly is a correct adverb why isn't fastly a thing? How so, also the studies aren't talking about flu, they are talking about serious health problems. Are you restricting calories?
Thomas Jackson
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yeah 35 lbs of water weight. fuck no wonder i'm so thirsty. 215 to 190
Aaron Baker
Yes it is retarded to follow a diet that changes the very chemistry of your blood without a God damned doctor and nutritionist's careful watch like you are suppose to.
>Herp derp I'll just do this without doctor supervision. >Oh my sweet baby Jesus I almost died!! >Guys this isn't a safe diet at all!!!
Jack Wright
We generally say "quickly" instead.
William Jones
because english is retarded. The correct word is "quickly"
James Miller
>Keto is great for losing weight Actually it isn't, other than water weight. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608/ >Babies and children are also malnourished and have died from vegan Actually vegan diets are good for all stages of life ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12826028/ >Mortality rates caused by the Keto diet are very low. Low Carb Diets Increase All Cause Mortality: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989112/ >Low carb/Atkins/Keto are the diets that medical Drs put very obese and prediabetic people on because they work. Trusting your doctor for medical advice, kek. Doctors only get 7 hours of nutritional training every 4 years.
You don't know what your saying.
Cooper Wilson
no
Lucas Foster
That's 25 lb not 35.
Thomas Peterson
Get your cholesterol levels tested, doing keto for years is very harmful.
Nathaniel Lewis
ignore logic when learning/speaking english.
remember, flammable and inflammable mean the same thing.
Leo Morris
Only first link retard, I posted it because keto retards can't read studies.
Bentley Myers
cholesterol isn't as bad as people think. you need to look at the whole picture, including triglyceride.
the whole "fat and cholesterol causes heartdisease" is a unproven theory, very unscientific and actually a meme. sugar is far more cancerous
keto diet does not increase LDL cholesterol, HOWEVER.
and you don't need to eat meat eggs and bacon 24/7 on a ketogenic diet, thats the retard way to doo it.
again, keto diet needs loads of leafy green vegetables, healthyfats nuts and seeds.
its not for retards
Carter Morris
There's a lot of ways to fuck up a keto diet pretty easily. If you're prone to not doing research or preparing, then obviously it's not for you, and it's not something I would typically recommend someone stay on permanently.
That being said, done properly - it works very well to regulate hunger while losing weight, imitates many of the positive aspects of fasting, has a general anti-inflammatory effect on the body, and has actually been literally shown to help treat all the things it says it does in that picture - particularly neurological disorders like epilepsy.
Don't be daft. It's a tool, as is any diet. Should you throw out all your hammers because you can smash your finger using them?
Jayden Bennett
Why not go loads of leafy green vegetables, fruits and grains? You get more food, more nutrients and less calories.
Liam Price
because grains are shit, you want to stay in ketosi and burn ketones as fuel because its far superior, and you can get any nutritient from gains and fruit on keto.
Robert Ross
because for most people fats are much more satisfying than carbs its a piss easy way to get people to cut out sugar without taking away peoples satisfying foods. If they give the same effect and one is easier, why not go with keto? and lack of nutrients is not a problem unless you plan your meals like a fucking retard.
Easton Lewis
>you want to stay in ketosi and burn ketones
Why?
Daniel Myers
>Why not go loads of leafy green vegetables, fruits and grains? Because I want to stay in ketosis, dipshit
Ayden Edwards
>for most people fats are much more satisfying than carbs
or are you one of those people who eat popcorn without butter
Jayden Garcia
lmfao grains! haaah. you do realize white bread has the same glycemic index as white sugar? and any "fullwheat" bread contains alore of that shit
you're literally eating sugary dense toxic shit when eating most bread
also why not make keto bread out of nuts,seeds almond flour and healthy stuff instead?
Jonathan Brown
>saturated fat and protein vs simple carbs
I’m not even the guy you’re arguing with but that’s a weak argument
Nicholas Miller
Why not eat whole wheat bread instead?
Jonathan Johnson
the term "wholewheat" covers 20% whole wheat,and rest white bread. and industrial wheat,even if whole, isn't healthy to begin with.
yeah why not eat wheat on a keto diet, retard?
Asher Watson
>you're literally eating sugary dense toxic shit when eating most bread
No I'm not, I live in a real country.
>also why not make keto bread out of nuts,seeds almond flour and healthy stuff instead?
Because that's over twice the caloric density and loaded with saturated fat.
Evan Wood
Not here in the Netherlands, when our breads are called "volkoren" (whole wheat) it means they're that, 100% whole wheat. Why would I go for a ketogenic diet? To lose weight? They don't fucking help. >Ketogenic diets slow down weight loss despite a small increase in energy expendature: ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2016/07/05/ajcn.116.133561.full.pdf html I rather restrict my fat intake than carbs >Dietary fat restriction results in more body fat loss than carbohydrate restriction: cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(15)00350-2
Jordan Evans
Do you like olive oil or baked potatoes? Keep in mind you get 2 whole potatoes for each teaspoon.
Xavier Cooper
>Because that's over twice the caloric density and loaded with saturated fat.
so now nuts and seeds are bad for you aswell? Any idea how retarded that is?
that bread in the picture literally has seeds in it.
keto makes you RUN on fat, how can it not help you lose weight?
except its not. walnuts are almost banned in america because of their health effects, they say it's a "drug".
Eli Walker
the thing is.. if fat overweight unhealthy people add nuts to their diet, it's not gonna change much.. the extra calories will do them no good.
if they eat healthy, however, nuts are great,
Evan Roberts
They really aren't. Their nutrients to calories ratio is garbage.
Chase Taylor
Fuck off, I'm doubling the animal products I eat to negate your vegan diet. Eat lettuce covered shit, you shill.
Ian Price
listen here dickface. for nuts to be healthy they need to be unsalted, unprocessed in vegetable oils.
they nuts themselfs are healthy, they way people eat them are not.
roasted salted nuts dipped in vegetable oils will never be healthy. and thats what people eat. understand this, idiot.
Christopher Rodriguez
>keto makes you RUN on fat, how can it not help you lose weight? See the study, eating less fat instead of less carbs reduces more body fat. How does this not make sense? Not to forget that when in ketosis your muscles and organs also deteriorate more.
Christopher Brooks
>Not to forget that when in ketosis your muscles and organs also deteriorate more. thats bullshit
and ketosis makes u burn fat in the liver,and turn it into ketones.thats why
Grayson Morales
Edgy, enjoy losing gains
Charles Jackson
>sugar is cancerous >the bodies preferred source of energy that it will fight to use as its main energy source is cancerous please fuck off
Jeremiah Walker
You are telling me I lost 40lb of water weight in 10 weeks, from 230 to 190lb? Eating at a ~1000cal deficit, it was all water though?
Adam Thompson
surely you can't be this stupid.
Hudson Butler
>No I'm not Yes, you are. Plants are literally poison. How do you think they keep from being eaten by insects? And starches break down in to glucose in your mouth because of amylase.
>muh caloric density As if bulk is the only factor in satiety.
Cooper Nelson
>t. Guy with 25% body fat who just hit 1/2/3/4 on keto You don't even lift. Piss off lmao
Michael Bailey
10-20lbs of that was probably water lol.
Austin Johnson
>thats bullshit Again check this study >Ketogenic diets slow down weight loss despite a small increase in energy expendature: ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2016/07/05/ajcn.116.133561.full.pdf html >Urinary nitrogen excretion increased by 1.5 6 0.4 g/d (Table 3; P = 0.0008) during the KD phase and indicated significantly increased protein utilization. Losing more nitrogen is a sign of losing more muscle. Ketogenic diets not only slow down body fat loss but, if protein and calories are kept equal between diet groups, they also increase muscle loss than high carb low fat diet.
Clearly our body isn't made for ketosis, ketosis is not for nothing a starvation mode.
Julian Thomas
No retard. Nuts are 50% fat by weight. You could eat them raw and they're still barely better than processed packaged shit.
James Bell
You where eating at a deficit that's what made you lose weight, you could've done the same on a high carb low fat diet and lost more weight. When you stop your keto diet your water weight will come back and you'll see how much weight you actually lost.
Jason Russell
>keto induction sucks if you do it wrong >refined plant oil sucks in general and may cause fatty organs >keto tends to shrink kidney stones making them more likely to pass >fat people tend to have heart attacks and also tend to do keto >46 heart attacks in 10 years is not meaningful when literally hundreds of thousands of people die from heart disease a year >cortisol uptake and production are reduced, but reprocessing and circulating levels are increased >gut bacteria adapt to new diets in days, sometimes this involves liquid shits >only HDL and trigs are relevant health markers, not LDL >familial hypercholesterolemia tends to be associated with less heart disease
OP is literally I don't know how to disconfirm my beliefs: the post.
Nolan Lopez
surely you can't be? everything that user said is right.
the issue isn't the sugar, the issue is that people aren't eating enough of the other macronutrients to bring sugar down to a healthy ratio in their diet. this isn't so much of an exess of sugar as it is a lack of essential fats and proteins.
>Plants are literally poison. How do you think they keep from being eaten by insects?
what the fuck are you even talking about? most agricultural crops suffer insect damage. jesus christ.
Ryder Moore
>Plants are literally poison. How stupid are you?
Leo Campbell
complex carbs are good, sugar and empty carbs are not. thats it.
Justin Diaz
Why would a keto diet be beneficial?
Liam Powell
saturated fat isn't bad for you. most who reccomendations are intended to facilitate global food rationing.
Kayden Cruz
this fat from nuts isn't unhealthy.
Mason Sanchez
>complex carbs are good, sugar and empty carbs are not. thats it.
no actually that's not it. and it makes no sense. your body literally does not care, it's everything else in your diet and your activity levels that determine you health.
tell me what the fuck you think the difference between complex carbs and simple sugars is nutirtionally, because your body converts those complex carbohydrates to simple sugars for processing, storage and use anyway. or did that subltety escape you?
i mean, read the fucking article.
Isaiah Wood
>saturated fat isn't bad for you. If you believe the bullshit studies that have been debunked by the meat & dairy industry then yeah you can say this. If you have an actual brain you know that saturated fat increases cholesterol and is bad for you.
Wyatt Mitchell
do you honestly think that eating 1k kcals of sugar is the same as eating 1kg of sweet potatoe, energy wise? ever eaten candy ur entie life, retard?!
what is inflammation?!
Owen Jenkins
Dude.... complex carbs take time to process into glucose so you get a steady glucose throughout the day while simple carbs give you glucose spikes.
Luis Jackson
except no, that's not the case. the casuational link between fat and blood cholesterol is being questioned
straight outta harvard, new wisdom is a limited amount of saturated fat. this is also changing because specific research is now being pursued.
> "Eat fruits, vegetables, nuts, fish, vegetable oils, whole grains, and modest portions of dairy,"
> "The association is not as firmly established as many people believe," he says. "The evidence does not support a major benefit of focusing on saturated fat alone, without considering the overall food itself and what is eaten instead."
read every article in detail. bare in mind that harvard represents the most conservative medical viewpoint. diabetes researchers like volek are more gung ho about their reccomendations.
Colton Garcia
You're confusing complex/simple with processed/unprocessed.
White flour is complex carbs while apples are simple carbs. But since the sugars in apples are tied up with fiber and water, they fill you up and take a while to break down.
Brody Roberts
Purely retarded. Fructose doesn't spike insulin, yet is a simple sugar. Gtfo