Seriously, what's the cause of low-t boys & men?

I remember when /pol/fags said that higher test in black men was the cause of their propensity to violence. I wonder why they've changed their tune

Men are not growing up for some reason. I'm hating men more than I hate women in this day and age, srs.

Take some fucking responsibility for yourself. That is what a man does.

t. jordan peterson

It was and stil is the low IQ actually

I disagree. Women generally control the dating marketplace bc of the high prevalence of beta orbiters and abundance mentality. So men therefore respond to women's actions.

women act like sluts for 10-15 years and don't care about being serious, well neither will the men. The women get serious in their 30s when they are not the hottest thing on the market and then have a revelation about lie. Sorry its too late, you're a used up has-been.

I haven't read/seen Jordan Peterson, but if he is advocating it, I agree with him.

If you can't take responsibility for yourself, how the fuck would you take responsibility for a girlfriend? Family? Corporation? You seriously think JPM pays Jamie Dimon $20m+ just for the fuck of it? Like the shareholders are soooo happy to give that profit away, just for the fuck of it?

>I disagree. Women generally control the dating marketplace bc of the high prevalence of beta orbiters and abundance mentality. So men therefore respond to women's actions.
Only scared ''beta'' boys, not men. A man knows his worth without having to fraud. It's about intellectual integrity & honesty.

>women act like sluts for 10-15 years and don't care about being serious, well neither will the men. The women get serious in their 30s when they are not the hottest thing on the market and then have a revelation about lie. Sorry its too late, you're a used up has-been.
That is an awful generalization. Ancedotal, but the vast majority of my friends are in long term relationships and the majority are between age 22-26.

first of all - checked.

Second of all - you're exactly correct about responsibility. I've noticed a very direct correlation between making large-scale responsible choices in my life (dumping the gf that was shitty to me, taking my fitness seriously, not drinking until I black out, etc) and my career taking significant steps forward. It's no coincidence that I'm currently in the best shape of life and now running my company.

It's the men's fault they marry used goods

Black and white testosterone levels are virtually the same though

It's a tricky situation... high-t guys & desirable guys don't want long-term relationships, who would? They can be free to do whatever they want, fuck whomever they want, and not have to answer to anyone. Would you really want to give that up in your 20s or even early 30s?

So all that's left on the long-term market for women is low-t betas... some will sell-out but others will happily hook up with the high t guys for just the chance that they could create something long-lasting, only setting themselves up for failure.

the problem is on both ends fellas

May be different depending on where you live. I live in a large metropolitan area in Northeast USA. Being single and fucking around is the standard until you're at least 27-30. By that time, the girls are too late to the party.

im a high t desirable guy and i like long-term relationships :/ you want to be chasing girls every single night? that's fun to do, but surely someone with a life has other things he likes doing and will enjoy meaningfully connecting with the right woman

It's purely environmental. Those 'soyboys' could be cold-blooded killers in a different environment. Please leave your pseudoscience out of the equation.

does anyone else think guys are just fucking stupid when it comes to almost everything?

generic woman opinion: if i'm single i'll go and have fun but try to be safe while enjoying myself, then be open to a long term relationship if i run into someone i really like

generic male opinion: i either need to marry a pure virgin waifu or bang whores til im dead. there is no reasonable option of acting like a normal human. also random outbursts of sexual insecurity and socially bizarre behavior

Western men should learn with japanese men

Women are like christmas cake, after 25 they are useless

This. My younger brother (20) browses /pol/ and is everything he complains about, himself, except black. He is a skinny child who complains about soyboys but doesn’t even know his own test levels. Definitly way below average. Getting shit grades, hate women because he can’t get them, almost no friends, total disaster.

......and he fucking faps to sissy porn, jesus christ.

Can someone who actually lifts have low testosterone levels?

you need to make a man out of him. engage in sports together, fight him, let him try to overcome you. attack his pride. constantly show him that he is below you. he will become a man this way.

I'm telling mom you're posting about me again

No wonder all the beta males get all the women these days

How do you know all this shit about him? Are you sure your "younger brother" isn't you?

Your generic woman opinion is aged by about 10 years m8. Now it's more like "I'm a strong independent fish that don't need no bicycle - but plenty of dicks would be nice - don't you slut shame me shitlord"

Because we lived together for 20 years?

Literally none of this but
>Not engaging in physical activity
There it is. People don't go to the gym and when they do it's only to lose weight with cardio. Few men lift.

You are the female equivalent of a Chad and having fun while being single is really no different from a guy wanting to bang girls till ded.

Also fuck you, a pure virgin waifu is probably the best thing you could get but almost impossible because of today's social degeneracy.

>Literally
Soyboi detected, shut your gaping maw before a spider take residence in your soft little jaw

>im a high t desirable guy and i like long-term relationships :/
no you're not, if you were, you would never consider typing 'chasing girls every single night' when thinking from first-person

Helicopter parenting keeping boys from riding their bikes all around the neighborhood and getting lost in the woods and developing strong will and high test during puberty.

...

Lmao you just described my little bro except he is 18 and I want to kill him. The amount of emotional stress he is placing on our mom & dad makes me so furious you have no idea.

beat the shit out of him

Soy isn't even a big part of western diet, and phytoestrogens =/= estrogen you mong

I fuck around on my wife. Not very honorable, but it's easy to do on business trips.

no, im a guy.

Checked
Only valid solution

yup, high-t guys have an amazingly difficult time staying loyal, another reason they aren't fast to settle

generic woman opinion is i need lots of dicks to express my sexuality but i also deserve someone who is wealthy, handsome, funny and loving

generic male opinion is yeah bro i need to fuck alot of chicks cause thats what makes me chad fuck yea but the person i marry better be 100% pure virgin

both generic opinions are retarded stop shilling for females

Lifting at a gym won't increase the test and alter the social behaviour of some 20 something loser with a bitch body, only sports as a teen and a good environment create real men.

Id say its not black and white. You arent either low t or high t. I think the maim issue is bellow the normal range for men today. I primarly blame poor diet, lack of exercise, and loss of men to be examples for future generations. Estrogens are a problem and dairy and soy are an issue however veg and proper mineral intale arguably could counter act that since plenty of veg and minerals reduce estrogen. Exercise is a no brainer. The biggest issue i see is no examples for men to follow no adays. The golden age for men was what? The 40s? Pre vietnam era men? We are animals to some extent we need to learn through example. Our fathers, for the most part, are just watered down versions of their fathers. Our media is flooded with cuck man children. School system is feminized. The point being if the attitude was there even a low t guy could be average. Hed care about his health because he values himself. Hed take risks and not be a bitch cuz its life which would raise t as well.

Another thing to note is both men and women were uglier back then

Sex non-meme elevates test levels.

most girls these days are will jump at the chance to settle with someone who can act normal, is halfway socially acceptable, and wont cheat on them constantly. literally every girl i've dated or has been in my social group for any period of time makes the same or more money than me. the "handsome wealthy and funny guys are the only ones who can get laid" is a meme spread by 1) guys who are handsome wealthy and funny and 2) guys who are so obsessed with becoming handsome wealthy or funny that they'll willingly alienate themselves from girls til they achieve their goals

IMO

Hes posting for a """"friend"""" haha
i mean """""brother"""""
tell me how can i stop fapping to sissy porn please, i mean him

t.Has never heard females talking to females with no men around

>Only scared ''beta'' boys, not men.
>only TRUE scotsmen!

You just have to accept that penis turns you on, because visually, on a computer screen, that is the only main difference.

The problem with low test, is people confuse a low number for low test. Like everything, people have a normal range of testosterone and its a pretty big range. A person in the 300s may actually respond better to test then a person with 1200, meaning that smaller increases in test will effect the person with 300 more then 1200.

Basically, unless you have signs of low test there is no reason to believe that your normal test levels are low. All it does to get that number is for people to give themselves some self -fulfilling prophecy of why they can't make it.

Do you think men in the 40s knew their test level? They still went and fought wars, worked hard and made something of themselves. People obsessed with some number are the real "soyboys"

Do you insert yourself as the trap getting BLACKED or the black guy?

The human mind is not good at self-reflection, add to that the huge echo chamber that the internet is and you have your answer.

The /r9k/ losers moaning about thots and soyboys on Veeky Forums day in day out probably don't even realise they're the exact people they complain about so much.

The easy living of modern western civilization has domesticated the western man. Different genes activate depending on the lifestyle of the parents. So if the parents are living easy lazy lives then they're less likely to have high test masculine sons.

active, though subtle pursuit against masculinity and increased presence of estrogen - would i be mad if i suggest it's a conspiracy?

aspirin/ibuprofen usage during pregnancy

If the human farmers can do it, they probably are. They wouldn't refuse to because it's "the wrong thing the do".

struggling to decipher what your saying. that morality isn't an issue to "human farmers"? if so who are these human farmers?

>The human mind is not good at self-reflection
I agree with you but this baffles me as self-reflection is crucial for development.

You, on the other hand, are ripped, jacked, successful, super masculine, have multiple girlfriends and sex with multiple women on the side as well

Your brother is such a /pol/-browsing loser LMAO #WomensMarch #OpenTheBorders #SupportDACA

Something is definitely happening

Also isn't it so funny how everyone who hates women, actually only hates them because THEY'RE VIRGIN NECKBEARDS THAT CAN'T GET LAID?! LMAO!!! There are literally no legitimate criticisms of the modern woman - they're all just bitter that they get no female attention. Lmao. Losers!!!

Not even who you replied to but that is what you sound like.

THAT'S ME LOL!!! THAT IS ME I'M A VIRGIN NECKBEARD WHO CAN'T GET LAID THAT'S WHY I CLAIM I'M MGTOW I PRETEND IT'S A CHOICE BUT REALLY I'M JUST A LOSER LMAO!!!!!!!!

Both decisions of the male are more rational than the decision of the female, as a male does not lose reputation by having more than one partner in their life while a woman does

The government putting female hormone secretagogues in the tap water

m8 getting a few tinder sluts to suck my Dick didn't make me any less of a Nazi. You must be a virgin if you think getting laid is such a life altering event that it changes your entire perspective on the world.

higher rates of single mothers have children not have a masculine figure in their life to emulate, Its less about straight test levels and more about how you act, there are tons of nu males that bald and have beards

/r9k/ and Veeky Forums are fundamentally different
one often criticize others and themselves, the other does it but try to change and adept to it
Just look no further at the onion wave, got a lot of shitposter but barely anyone really tried it, despite positive reactions regarding onions and garlic
Too afraid to change so just smear it down

>m8 getting a few tinder sluts to suck my Dick didn't make me any less of a Nazi
How is you being edgy, relevant?

The reason women are criticized is because their anti-traditionalist acts are causing societal decay

add hookers to the pic and literally me

Normal guys don't care if a girl has had sex b4 or get a weird inferiority complex from it

That is such a stupid argument.

Not working a labor job is probably a huge reason why men are little bitches these days, I've never met a roofer or bricklayer etc that been a soy boy, they're all manly as fuck

No, you just want and want and want shit without doing anything yourself. Anything that is outside your comfort zone.

Because this conversation escalated from the implication that /pol/ are just bitter losers.

>lifting won't increase test
you a flat earther as well?

Where do you think the construction workers being fags meme came from?

the generic women opinion is more like the generic male opinion i think. the generic women opinion is: ill go for guys who have access to tons of women like me at any moment but get upset when they dont treat me special so i make angry posts on social media and marry someone for betabux at 30 because my communications degree doesnt allow me to go to starbucks 3 times a day

90% of them are

They are.

Can confirm

I worked roofing for 2 years and there wasn't 1 guy I worked with that wasn't the definition of an alpha male

>physically strong
>loud voices
>not give a fuck attitude
>fuck women all the time

The more i hear guys say this stuff the more i think the feminists are right and the patriarchy actually is a valid concept. Guys seem to want to make a "deal with the devil" on the societal scale where women and their sexuality is controlled and restricted and is then used to extract labor and compliance from men. And society then induces an inferiority complex into these men and convinces them that no woman could ever like them for themselves and that they need this abusive system to continue or they'll be lonely. It makes me so sad

You seriously need to rethink your life. Also read rule 2.

Bro, you're posting on a board that thinks squats will fix their autism. Veeky Forums as a whole are social outcasts.

Is that a fucking tangela piñata

no activity increases your test significally. you can get a 10-20% boost and thats it. some drugs give a bigger boost as a side effect and its so unnoticeable no one cares

Confirmed never worked a man job

lmao found the roastie on birth control

probably more because the type of people who are drawn to those jobs are manly men, not that those jobs turn people into manly men.

Not him but I actually worked in construction and those people were just dumb. Don't get me wrong, they were really nice people. Majority of them at least were friendly, helpful, easy going. But they werent "alpha males". They were doing shit jobs for shit money. If they had a daughter or a son, they wanted them to actually break out from this social class by studying. They were always proud of their kids grades for the exact reason.

So women should be Presidents? Only women should teach? Mathematics is gay?