What's your excuse for staying natty?

I prefer hormonal balance

>Lifting for girls

>that grammar

I take hormones to be a cute girl :)

Dunno if that makes me ultra natty or on gear desu. I kinda see a lot of parallels between trans girls and juicing guys. Both groups are taking hormones to achieve their physical goals...

Because I like having hair and functioning testicles. Muscles are not worth losing those.

Hair loss is purely genetic, if your balding now steroids are gonna speed up the process. I've been roiding for a while and still have thick hair

genuinely don't know if i'm balding

have very thick hair, but the temples are a little receded, but they've been at the same level for years now

Not worth the risk. Any risk at all. I'm not a professional athlete, don't get paid to have a inhuman amount of mass...itd literally be only to look "better" and even that is a fine line because most dudes go end up going down the rabbit hole and looking straight up SILLY to the point where men laugh at you and women won't want anything to do with you. Screams insecurity. More muscle mass would never be worth potentially ruining my endocrine system and natural test production and ending up as a fucking woman without being dependent on a drug i can't even get legally.

What do you do in a SHTF scenario and can't get test? Youre fucked. What if you get drafted to war? You're fucked. What if you travel internationally? You're fucked or committing crimes across borders. Hair might fall out, organs might enlarge, it's crazy to risk just to hold more mass at a low bf%. Not to mention you know you didn't do it on your own and you either lie to people forever about how you did it or admit you're any insecure clown with body issues who took gear for more muscle that doesn't matter.

Also I've lifted natty for a long time and live in reality, not on Veeky Forums where I'm bigger, leaner, and more muscular than 99% of the population as it is.

That said i have nothing against users, i just think they're stupid.

i'm not an ugly manlet.

because right is just left with lower BF%

Is it fuck

Also the guy in op pic looks like shit and his proportions make no sense.

>my sides

that is pretty well put.. almost worth a screen cap

My hairline is the exact same way. Super thick but the temples are way back. It's been like that since I was a child and my dad is the same way. He's 45 and still has a full head of hair. I'm pretty sure a doctor can tell you if you'll bald though. If you're worried about it it could be worth a trip.

Thanks. Another point i forgot to mention, among many others, is that lifting is so cool to me and has been for years because its basically free for life if you buy your own equipment. Fuck having to pay out of pocket just to lift and dealing with pinning just to feel like its worth it to get to the gym. It would turn it into a job and something you had to maintain because you're so invested in it monetarily and in a way that you can't fully enjoy without drugs. Lifting is one of the only sports you can thrive in fully, completely by yourself, anytime you want, however you want. I can come and go to lifting and there's no problem with that, all i need to bring to the table is myself if i want to come back. It would feel so pointless to go natty for life after being on gear. No sense in ruining such a pure, personal thing like strength training. I just don't understand it.

>literally 95% females don't care for dudes that look this muscular.
They're lying to you.

You are delusional.

What's your excuse for still being alive? Fucking retard

>here's a picture of me fucking yjsy teddy-bear, this is sure to make her hot & bothered
what the fuck

Dbol. Test. Deca.

you're supposed to work out for longevity and health, steroids hijacks that reward path and throws you into the gutter

don't go there, it's only for the lowest who have fallen beyond redemption and have no where else to go back down -- their lives have already ended, you still have a chance.

I'm not fucking impatient and women already love my body. I'm 200 lbs at 6-foot-2 and 10-12% BF. I have no body image issues and don't look DYEL in any gym even as a natural. I've been lifting 6 years and my progress has slowed but I've added size and lost fat each year without fail. Most people who take gear for recreational issues have no self-confidence, rely on their body to fuel their raging ego and are usually narcissists.

What happens when your BP shoots up to 180/100 one day or your arteries get blocked or your hairline is gone or your natural test production is shut down forever?

I don't need fucking drugs to feel like a man or have women love my body (spoiler: 20 lbs of muscle on your frame with abs is all it takes to get any girl wet)

None of you will ever make it

>I'm 200 lbs at 6-foot-2 and 10-12% BF
yo f a m what's your diet and program?

also pics if you don't mind, not discrediting you but i'm 6'2 and interested to see what is coming down the pipe line

That physique is so natty it hurts

Taking steroids doesn't make you a mentally ill subhuman who wants to slice off his cock you fucking degenerate

Yeah but now you gotta get bigger and leaner then the other 1% that's fucking your gf as we speak you're gonna have a tough time without roids beating those guys

hey BACK THE FUCK OFF her dude

this

i can get laid without them

k

Well said

>LIKE BRO WHY AREN'T YOU TAKING DRUGS RIGHT NOW? THERE ARE LITERALLY NO SIDE EFFECTS
>ENDO...WHAT SYSTEM?

>the roiding chad
>the natty virgin

need to impregnate wife first; after that, roid city

so naive it's cute... once you find out you're going to be dad, you're going to do everything in your power to prolong longevity rather than challenge it

This is what comes to mind when I think of Veeky Forums incels

nah i have no delusions about living past 60 anyway; gonna spawn a hellion or two then roid my brains out till death

That's a natty back flexed with a pump under good lighting and honestly doesn't even look particularly developed. The back has tremendous size and strength potential even in naturals

I don't want to feature in gay porn

Honest truth i can not tell if you're serious about this or not. If you are serious, you have a deluded outlook on life and are a guaranteed failure with women. Outside of a bit of muscle and abs, women do not give 2 fucks about your physique. If anything i have more mass than most women would ever want.

If not serious, you win, you made me reply.

if authentic, don't have kids please -- kill yourself instead (not joking) ... your world-view is destructive and you'll only add to the negative world energy if you spawn children, fix yourself or don't & end it.

Don't wanna die in a sauna.

Am not old enough to do it without fucking my endocrine system so I gotta wait. 22 is an ok age to hop on right? Plus more training time before starting can’t be a bad thing

When you're old you will hate the younger you for making long term decisions you didn't fully understand. Instead of gear and silly amounts of mass, put this kind of effort into getting rich. Your life will be 100x better than the version of you you're talking about.

>you don’t understand steroids, just get rich bro
Fucking topmind

Well mainly concerned about cost and my health.

Also i feel like my desire to fraud is due to aging and being lazy since i have reached levels similar to OP natty.

Im a manlet and make fast gains.

At 155lbs i have hit lmao 2pl8 on the flat bench and know i can get higher if i apply myself.

I really think that the human body is capable of a lot more than people think and that too many turn to roids before hitting their natty limit.

Also i dont think that i hit my natty limit. Even at my peak level of fitness, my bjj days, i was still progressing so if i ever reach a point where im legitimately not making any gains in endurance or strength then ill consider doing a cycle.

Also when i day i reached levels close to OP. I was just as defined but not as big but was still big ebough that got got asked if i was a personal trainer and got many compliments. My brother said i looked like an action figure.
There is a posibility i may have unknowingly did roids that were marketed as supplements however.
Still even before those i was in great strength and capabilities.

If creatine and supplements are still natty then i am going to stay natty.
Even if they are considered cheating thats fine i am going to be steroid free and thats enough for me.

I dont judge ppl for roiding but personally i dont want anyone to take anything away from my hard work.
I dont want people to think i "cheated" and want to show how far i can go on my own.

To each his own.

God bless

They really aren't though.

You don't understand anything because you're still a kid mentally regardless of guy being out of highschool. Every single one of us over 25 or 26 will say the same thing because it's true. You don't know SHIT about yourself or life right now. You dont know anything about what the real adult version of you will want and me in 10 years. Focus on being successful financially and lock down an easy life you can enjoy fully, work hard in the gym as a natural in thr meantime and revisit this in 10 years and i bet you won't want to get on gear and youll be glad you didn't do it. Or don't listen, most kids won't, they love to learn the hard way. I was the same.

There is no way you can have his size and level of shreddedness natty

I think taking the advice of people from Veeky Forums on women is a bad plan.

I'm not a manlet

Lol suck my dick

That's quite honestly false my good friend, maybe you should lift for a few years and really try hard with your training and nutrition before you let yourself get swept up in thinking you actually know what you're talking about.

>Taking steroids doesn't make you a mentally ill subhuman
Well, it kind of does

>the dead chad
whoooooooooops

post someone who looks like him natty

this

I might become unhinged and do something bad because of roids.

still looks ridiculous

>browsing Veeky Forums
>not already unhinged

Competing in a tested fed is fun. Trying to dodge tests is not

I don't have time for that shit man, look up literally any decent/competitive natural bodybuilder or actual good powerlifter and you'll see many such physiques. I'm not sayin everyone can do it or its easy or will look similar at the same bf %, OP pic is literally a decade of training and good eating

that's adie you newfag

No natty lifter has his weird ass body with his odd proportions and weird shape from taking steroids.

>you win, i can't find a natty that looks like him

I know natty bodybuilders and none of them have the level of fullness his muscles have at such a low bf%

/thread

Well there it is guys. This guy knows natty bb'ers and they don't look like this. It's impossible.

& i'm fucking donald duck, what's your fucking point f-f-ff-f-f-faggot?

my point is that he's hardly an incel. if you weren't a nyr fag you would know that

But they don't, whenever they diet down they just look completely flat compared to this guy

you dont know natty bbers, you know skinny fat idiots at the local work out world who eat taco bell and whine they cant hit single digit bf %

>cant be that ""big"" at """such low""" (lol) bf %

ok

he is clearly natty. Not an impressive one either.

THE GUY IS FUCKING A TEDDY BEAR AND PUBLICLY POSTING IT

EVEN IF HE'S JOKING, THAT'S FUCKING WEIRD

That's hardly an argument, I know natty powerlifters who aren't as strong as Bryce Lewis, that doesnt make Bryce on drugs

He is quite lean and muscular and has a pump, he isn't super lean though and no body part stands out as being hyper developed or striated, his delts especially are just small. You can look 'full' by having a lot of carbs and water in your system.

You don't know what you're talking about man.

Totally bro.

EVERYONE LISTEN UP! THIS GUY KNOWS NATURAL BB'ERS AND THEY JUST LOOK FLAT COMPARED TO THIS GUY! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! GO FIND THE GEAR, WE HAVE ALL THE PROOF WE NEED RIGHT HERE!

His glutes are completely striated though

No one has actually provided an example yet of a natty bodybuilder as shredded and big as him yet

THIS NECK

>flat at low bf %

except here was me little old twinky me lifting for 2 months, dry, no pump, looking full, i mean anorexic yeah, but what little mass there is isnt flat.

Looking flat at low bf % is an indicator of low testerone levels, not of being a "natural bodybuilder".

Even an untrained skinny idiot as you can see can look full at single digits

LISTEN UP EVERYONE! NO ONE HAS PROVIDED A PIC TO PROVE THIS EVEN THOUGH IT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE IF user AND HIS FRIENDS CAN'T DO IT! GO FIND THE GEAR! THANK GOD user IS HERE TO SAVE US!

im bigger and leaner

what, 160 lbs that he is verus 203?

You think I have four years to lift? Fuck that I'll be dead in four years if I take these roids to look like that in 12 weeks.

Being flat at low bf % is because of glycogen (which is genrally much lower when cutting as carbs are the first to go) and water depletion, it has nothing whatsoever to do with test

im fat as fuck so my digusting fat body would just convert all that T to E

This guy is s natural and maintains this on his own. Fucking great physique. Roids would totally ruin this. Wtf would anyone get on gear.

That's right, you're all impatient, lazy children.

You're no where near as lean as him though

He is on another level of shreddedness

That was me at 160 lbs 6'2, if you think being a little twink fuck boy with 14" arms looks great, get a reality check.

I can promise you once I was 190lbs+ i got 10 times the attention from women.

When i was 160lbs, the occasional high school girl would stop and stare, but to women you are just a skinny kid

Higher test is gonna give you bigger pumps and more shredded in general. Good luck cutting to sub 10% with cuckold test levels (sub 700), your body will just keep fat and eat muscle as you get smaller

Brb attempting to check reality because you look great in that pic. Def don't look like a twink... doesn't mean you weren't one, but that pic doesn't show it.

I totally and 100% believe this is possible natty after FOURTEEN YEARS of training.

You think that I (or you) can't get that lean if you give me 14 years to carb cyle? Come on, he is natty, look at his delts this body screams natty to me.

His bf % isn't that low when you compare him to steroid users

wellwhen i look at that photo i just see a skinny kid.

but i look at this shit and think he is too skinny too , bdd is fucked

lol yeah dude i think your perception is just a bit skewed