So in order to compete at the elite level of a sport like boxing(or really almost any sport...

>Is this even remotely possible natty, with some kind of extreme training regimen?

No. The harder you train, the more time you need to recover. That's where gear comes in.

Alistair Overeem was a clear example of a juicer. Anthony and Wladimir look kinda natty tbqh. They both have outlier genetics. I know two or three dudes like that. Still fits the natty curve

>Pay off a doctor a mil to ignore a test
>Lose 50 mil if the fight is called off

Dunno m8

yes they do
and you and I would too if we were professional athletes making mad bank and getting away with it easily

Holy shit, kill yourlelf.

>they are natty because they don't look as big as alistair
lmao. Protip: even fedor was probably on more shit than /fraud/ combined

It's not just about muscle mass, retard. There are other drugs that boost things like endurance, which is critical in boxing.

Did Tyson Fury(right) roid? He beat one of the longest reigning world champs(left).

He was caught with Nandrolone.

USADA is definitely legit. if there was any possibility of them being paid off or cheated or anything like that then jon jones would never have failed a drug test. look at all the excuses dana white and people like joe rogan make for that guy - if there was any way at all for jones to cheat the drug test with the help of dana white then he would have done it because they love jon jones and he makes them a lot of money.
of course usada cannot be perfect, but there's not much reason to doubt them

>implying this is standard practice
post proof, nigger

once you become a professional athlete you must immediately start taking sterons just for the lulz even though you dont need it to achieve that at all just because who cares lmao

But the fighters didn't always have a million to pay, they had to have started somewhere? They just start to roid in their later career?

how does this equate to definite steroids use? maybe he just does a sufficient amount of cardio
>inb4 "no that's not possible. no way he actually does adequate training"

>USADA is definitely legit
shit delusional am*rimutts say

>those hips
>that fat distribution
jesus christ I would've killed myself
he's lucky he's 6'9" or some shit.

>But the fighters didn't always have a million to pay
you cant seriously be saying that guys like eric bugenhagen arent giving million dollar bribes to the drug testers. you literally just have to call them up on the phone and be like "hey i'm doing PED's lemme bribe you so i can pass the test" and they'll be like "yeah no problem bro that's totally fine"

youtube.com/watch?v=5CsHycmqgTo
the response to every single post ITT

They don't need to pay anyone, tests just can't detect everything that exists out there.
They just use shit that won't get detects

When modern fighters refer to the "technological" difference between modern fighters and fighters from other eras, are they really referring to roids? Would it be better if boxing was more strict about roid usage?

Wladamir grew up in the old Soviet school of boxing. No way he hadn't roided up at one point in time. AJ is probably on some supplement although for a while he was under suspicion of being on PEDs because he has weird looking abs. But then again heavyweights don't have to worry about doing extreme cuts to make weight, they have no cap limit and can come in as healthy as they want to. I've seen guys look like Auswitchz victims stepping onto the scale because they had to do extreme weight cuts, heavyweights don't have to do that.

99% of people in boxing are on something BUT depending on the state athletic commission and organization they may or may not be illegal and here's where you get into grey areas. Floyd Mayweather by everyone's accounts is one of the hardest working dudes but he has brittle hands. Every fight he takes a shot to numb his hands up so he can fight. In Nevada that shot is legal but if it were NY or London that shot may be illegal to take.

Additionally in boxing drug testing plays a big part in fight negotiations. Some fighters want VADA, WADA, OSTD - each one is a different drug testing organization and each has their own way of doing things. Some fighters want certain cutoff dates where they can't be blood tested. Other fighters don't want random drug tests. And a lot depends on who the athletic commission is.

tl;dr people are on something, but it all depends on what's considered legal/illegal

>i'm a d&c jew and i have no argument
lmao good stuff, faggot

>everyone takes drugs because i say so
>eating meat is considered steroids

Tyson Fury is a massive fatass. He's been out of the ring for 2 years due to legal problems with the BBBoC and during that time he's ballooned well into the 300 pound range

Its sort of possible but keep in mind top level athletes are usually genetically gifted and have been training at professional level since childhood

Technique beats roids

people here think that omar isuf is the maximum top level of human performance. or they think that because they know how to do face pulls they're automatically on the same level as the world class elite

...

so fucking glad he beat the living shit out of that negro

they're both on roids

because he fights for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. every advantage is critical

>thinking Stipe is natty

the state of this fucking board

Cain and Stipe are natty

yes, floyd mayweather, the highest paid athlete of all time probably has access to ways to take steroids and they'll give him a little boost. he doesnt get tested by usada though

hahahahahaha

why are fighting fans so delusional
it's like the sport attracts mostly low IQ fans

>he doesnt get tested by usada though

You say that like USADA means anything. Drug testing is a joke, they only catch complete morons.

>hahahahahaha
lol

>usada is a joke
prove it, nigger

He looked like this before and after USADA.

Just look at guys like Yoel Romero. You trying to tell me this is a natty middle-aged man?

Every professional athlete worth a shit is on roids. You can't compete at the top otherwise.

Ortiz has been cleared to fight. He was taking the PEDs for high blood pressure,

apparently

>PEDs automatically make you look like a bodybuilder
roflol

>he thinks all roids will give him bloated muscles

This is a man on deca durabolin.

>being this retarded
It's not a PED, it's a cheap BP drug. HOWEVER, it's also used as a masking agent.
Forgot pic.

Can you post your evidence pls.

Yes. All professional athletes are on PEDs. This really shouldn't be news to you.

Fury is down to about 18-19 stone now

For what, exactly?

He’s from Cuba he’s definitely taking PEDs

And is about 50

For Stipe taking PEDs.

except fury was literally busted for deca use

muh "bull testicles"

41, but yeah. He's juiced to the gills.

There was a documentary on that shit. Googled it, it's called "Icarus", 2017. It pretty much shows that there are ALWAYS ways to trick the drug testing system. For the longest time, they could trick the system 90% of the time. Not sure if it's gotten worse or better, but it was REAL shit back in the day.

Are you two mentally handicapped? I said Fury is the one who did Deca. I forgot to post the pic in the first post.

The only Natty Fighters are the Diaz Bros, DC and Michael Bisping

No, some men are just much more athletic than others

DC sure as fuck isn't natty. His (and Jones') test levels were impossibly low in their first fight. It's clear they were recovering from a cycle.

Amateur boxer here, I started late (20 years old) but I have good genetics and am a fast learner so I'm doing surprisingly well.
However, even with my natural abilities, there's no way in hell I could make it in the pros without roids.
And yes, even smaller guys like myself (welterweight) use roids, not all PEDs automatically make you bulky.

>Fighters get punched in the head for a living
>Why are fighters and their fans low IQ

I dunno

Don't lie you insinuated Stipe was on roids. Why deny it?

This is how to circumvent the system. Almost all US athletes are diagnosed with "low test" and thus are put on TRT. They are as natty as Scooby.

I did, however, the deca comment was about Fury.

No. Obviously a lot do, but you can be a pro without roids. I have 3 childhood friends that are pro athletes and would bet anything I have they are natty. There is no blanket answer to this, the level of use differs massively depending on which sport and which country the athlete is from. Problem is 99% of the opinions about pro athletes and steroids comes the powerlifting and bodybuilding community who are complete outsiders to the world of pro sports. Retards like Jason Blaha have ZERO idea of modern drug testing protocols and just make up what goes on. Yet every retard dyel believe him and think posting "Drug test? You mean IQ test!" makes them look woke.

The problem historically and still a big problem now is that many countries own drug agencies are a joke and don't test their athletes or actually work with them. So they can just look at the date of the competition and make sure they are clean by then and pass the one test they may have to take at the competition. But the rest of the year they are back home they will not be testing.

But a lot of western countries now make a sincere effort to test properly and have good programs in place. Genuine random drug tests are hard to cheat, not matter what retards like Blaha say (notice how there is never any actual details about how modern genuinely enforced testing is cheated).

He literally just looks like a typical black guy after he's hit the gym for a while.

Most "dyel" black guys I grew up with are actually pretty ripped underneath and have good insertions and definition without even going to the gym.

Literally every single top level athlete is on PED's.
Thinking anything else is naive is honestly retarded.
They have nations and corporations behind them, and millions are on the line every time they compete, do you actually think they give a fuck about ethics?

and yes ethics IS the only variable here, since we know that even a fucking literallywho can get his hands on PEDs and make them invisible...just imagine what a multimillionaire with droves of State-sponsored or private scientists working for him can get his hands on.

Fuck off, retard. He's 6'6 and has bodybuilder-tier arms.

Not really

Look at Simeon Panda when he was young and natty

Truth. I know black dudes with insane arms and v-tapers and they simply don't work out

go back to cuckposting on /tv/ you nonlifting retard

Thanks for the info man! How many hours do you train per week on average? Also do you have any tips on finding a good gym? Love Hajime no Ippo

>Look at Simeon Panda when he was young and natty

Middle school?

99% of professional athletes are on steroids, if you have ever played a sport in your life you would know this to be the case. You simply can't train to that level and recover enough naturally. A lot of college and even high school athletes end up roiding.

I used to live in a country where they hired African guys illegally for like $1 an hour as garbage men. These guys would literally be wearing dirt old rags as clothes yet would have shredded 18 inch arms that people on here think are impossible without being on tren. Black genetics exist, even among white people the genetic difference is big. Most people on here have shit beta genetics otherwise they would not be here in the first place. That's why the standards on here are a joke.

fuck off cuckold, basketball americans have the highest rates of steroid abuse in american high schools
you don't even lift faggot, because actual natty black guys like lotus that have been lifting for close to a decade have sub 18" arms. You don't even know what 18" is because you have no experience at all faggot

Except blacks have garbage tier genetics. They're only good for running. Whites dominate every strength sport.

I'm currently a uni student so it depends on the week, but I try to get in at least 5 training sessions a week, plus roadwork, but I need to bump my training up.
As far as finding a gym goes, look up amateur tournaments in your area and see which gyms have the best ranked fighters.
Also Hajime no Ippo is THE SHIT, it's what originally got me into boxing desu

High school in the UK

he looks better than most DYELs on CBT in his first young picture

Exactly i knew 2 short little black guys who were just really pacey and played football/soccer growing and they would have solid fucking defined quads somehow and their biceps/shoulders had good separation people would do lateral raises and hammer curls for ages to achieve.

he's natty in 2002, every picture after that is on roids
african guys outside of your cuckporn are 5'8" on average with 13" arms and tiny frames

>he looks better than most DYELs on CBT in his first young picture
The 2002 picture? He looks skinny as fuck

Alright, here is my take.

Black guys get bigger naturally, but white guys tend to be stronger. I am a sandnigger myself and the people here are really, really weak. Like, weaker than Veeky Forums tier.

C O P E

Nigga you talkin to a state champion wrestler who benches 355. And I work with a lot of basketball Americans

When young, *some* of them are insanely muscular without having to try. Fact of life.

See Taboo by John Entine & Race, Evolution, and Behavior by J.P. Rushton

I will concede that the muscle might be "for show, not for go," but it's there

Why do the people on here who are natty yet think you can't get out of dyel mode naturally even continue to lift? You might as well go do something else with your life and just lift once a week for health benefits.

it's literally all an illusion of their smaller frames. With that said, it's a disgrace this thread turned into racebaiting again - both guys in the OP are juicing, regardless of race

Well yeah, there is a genetic reason to do with their muscle fibers why blacks dominate the running track events in the olympics, documentaries and research has been done on this which is why when a white french guy made the finals a few years ago it was a big deal.

Nordic/slavic whites mainly dominate raw strength events though. Chinks dominate reaction sports like table tennis and some fencing etc

No, he doesn't. And you're forgetting AJ has 6 inches on him.

It's helped because they have a "natural tan" i.e black which is what bodybuilders do to make themselves more aesthetic

Look at some young pictures of AJ as well he's just got that general mass going for him.
If he wasn't boxing he would be even bigger.

I don't doubt he's taken PEDs but he's always been a big guy and obviously has some top genetics

>People judging athlete's PED use by their physique

They aren't bodybuilders. This woman used steroids, as do almost all of those skelly marathon runners. Most pro athletes use steroids for recovery time at the very least.

I feel like the smaller weight class fighters don't roid. For size and strength anyway