>Infantry spoiled this far can still one round a 'Jack on average dice Nah
Adrian Anderson
But the only infantry spoiled so far are....... Trenchers? Really? Two pow 11s hardly scrap jacks
Thomas Reyes
You mean Trenchers? Yeah, no.
Eli Lopez
>a 10 point unit + UA charge a 6 point Jack >the Jack dies
???????
Nathan Rodriguez
New Trenchers shouldn't kill a heavy unless it's some junky ARM17 piece of crap and they all hit their charge attacks.
They'll probably junk one up a bit but that's to be expected since as you point out their unit probably costs more than the jack they're charging.
Nolan Scott
Except they don't. Let's assume you have 10 Trenchers that get to assault a Heavy at DEF12/ARM19. Let's assume that your opponent is not dumb and thus you can only get successful charges with 4 dudes. Let's also assume that you roll average dice.
So you get 10 shots and 4 charge attacks. Your shots need 6's as do your charges, so you get ~72% hits. So 7.2 shots and 2.9 charges hit.
You deal dice off 8 damage, so for simplicity's sake let's say your shots each deal 0.5 damage and your charges each deal 4 damage. Those numbers are slightly off but not by much.
So you deal about 15.5 points of damage. That's half a heavy.
Brandon Long
I don't think you can really count half a point of damage, if an average dice roll is "7" and its dice -8 for damage, most of the attacks won't deal any damage.
Gavin Brooks
>most of the attacks won't deal any damage. Correct. But some will deal up to 4 points of damage. The average is about 0.56 per attack.
I over-guesstimated the boosted ones though. 3D6-8(min=0) is about 2.82.
Brayden Carter
As a follow-up: I made these tables to save myself the time calculating hit+damage averages.
Jaxson Martin
They might one round a light 'jack or beast, but they're not going to roll over any heavy without some serious buffs/debuffs.
New Trenchers are bretty gud, though. I'd consider picking up Cygnar if there weren't already a ton of swanfuckers in the local meta.
Alexander Stewart
I just hope they take the Junior's Arcane Shield away and just bump every Cygnar model up by 1 ARM, maybe 2 in special cases.
Nathaniel Long
Very nice! So about...10 damage points on average. Thats not one rounding but that is still a good bit of damage.
Austin Garcia
I doubt they are going to buff the arm, maybe a cast cost increase.
Landon Mitchell
They're probably better off CRAing and positioning so the jack/beast can only get 2 of them per round. Or let the armor-crackers handle it and concentrate on the infantry instead.
I don't know. I just seriously hope they do. Because Arcane Shield is one of the main reasons for Stormwall supremacy. If PP want Cygnar to take more heavies it needs to go.
Levi Brown
Sorry I guess the quote implies I meant trenchers but I was meaning any melee based 10 point unit should probably be able to crack armor fine.
Asher Price
Yeah cause you've seen their rules.
Alexander Nguyen
Is there a round-up anywhere of everything leaked so far?
James Perez
Can't link cause at work on my phone, but the pp forums has a thread that rounds up all the spoilers.
Adam Wilson
How do I read this? The to-hit I'm reading at the chances of rolling >= for the target - I know this because I know it's 58% to roll >=7 on 2d6.
But the damage confuses me.
Juan Morris
Example: POW13 VS ARM22 -> Dice off 9
2D6 will on average deal 0.28 damage 3D6 will on average deal 2.08 damage 4D6 column missing because I play Cygnar
Jacob White
How does Continuous Fire work? Each turn i (if it was me who inflicted the effect on enemy models) roll for damage as if enemy models were hit by POW 12 weapon, right?
Nicholas Murphy
It's a POW12 damage roll. There is no hit involved. Also, it goes out on a 1 or 2 which you need to check beforehand.
>Thamar Faction You mean a faction of radical individualists? Do you see any problem with that?
Josiah Fisher
All of them are specified. Presumably it's part of their new way to streamline things, like how eiryess2 has her card say 2 on both sides.
Parker Bailey
>the first model you ever bought and painted that holds a special place in your heart
Oh Widowmakers, how much anger you've caused in my circle of friends.
Michael Young
The squire. Going to repaint him soon though.
James Foster
Either the Corollary or the TEP. Both were complete nightmares for my local groups.
Jayden Moore
>old metal Juggernaut
Such a simple, pure beatstick. Nothing like rolling all 5's and 6's on a charge under pButcher's feat.
I stopped playing Khador once I realized that they weren't a warjack faction, but with mkIII, I might go back.
Dominic Ortiz
I think mine was either Denny1 or a Deathripper. I never play denny, but the rippers are great
Ayden Wilson
>Still no Cephalyx journeyman stand-in Feels bad man
Brayden Moore
>And for a final point of comparison, the Redeemer is now 11 points (so again slightly cheaper) and, are you ready for it, thanks to the change in how ROF works in the new edition just flat out gets to make three skyhammer shots per activation, no focus required (nevermind that you still have one for free). Holy shit
Ryan Young
Note that since choir no longer can't buff to hit rolls all ranged Menoth jacks ned decent buffs to remain relevant. With effectively RAT1 you won't be directly hitting shit.
Liam White
>Mk 3 not-dorf merc battle box equivalent is Magnus, a Mangler and a Rover
Bitchin
Aiden Kelly
>no renegade da fuq
Owen Adams
That's kinda good because in Journeyman in latter weeks you could only change your warcaster to Magnus2, because only he could take Renegade.
Wyatt King
Ah, makes sense
Robert Martinez
>assume you have 10 Trenchers that get to assault a Heavy at DEF12/ARM19. Well, you're already making an ass out of yourself. No heavy WJ has those stats. You can go def 13 arm17 for a cryx slayer chassis or def 10 arm 19 for a menoth crusader chassis.
Then once you've managed that, you might notice that trenchers have 1" range, and without being a total ass I'm sure he can get all 10 assault shots in, and up to 5 dudes making charge attacks.
try running your numbers again now.
Sebastian Robinson
I play Cygnar and Skorne. 12/19 is either the Stormclad or the Bronzeback/Gladiator.
But I guess those aren't real heavies.
Benjamin Evans
nope neither of those are real heavies. Now do the math with stats the only mk3 stats we're sure of.
David Green
>I'm sure he can get all 10 assault shots in
You know that premeasuring is a thing now right? Why are you so bad that all 10 trenchers are getting shots?
I even calculated it with 10 shots, that guy just can't read. And apparently Bronzeback/Gladiator/Stormclad/Reckoner/Dragonspawn+Tenacity are no longer heavies.
Ryder Davis
Knights Exemplar getting 1 inch makes sense, but Champs? I don't see it.
Asher Reed
They are big guys with long arms and big weapons .
James Stewart
>a few models with reach got bumped down to 1"
I wonder who got the nerf bat, Nyss swordsmen?
Brody Jones
Why cant they just reveal some warnouns already? Getting like 3 cards is so lame.
Henry Williams
Warwitch Sirens
Oliver Rogers
In the next NQ they'll reveal rules of the new ones.
Caleb Bell
I've repainted the same Carnivean like 4 times now. Each time I notice an increase in my skill level I strip that bitch and start again.
Dominic Brooks
>wm players >give them an inch, take a chain strike
Charles Price
>some models have lost weapon master, some have gained it
Please please please give storm blades weapon master
Benjamin Walker
That sucks.
Benjamin Lewis
Please give weapon master to Bane Riders.
Eli Anderson
Ah ha ha no
Caleb Hill
Please remove Banes.
Jacob King
>Please please please give storm blades weapon master Hah, no. They're already POW15 with high-POW assault guns.
They need to gain 1" reach and have their POW bonus taken away from the stupid leader model and put directly on their weapons. Maybe another point of DEF or ARM or something so they can stop dying to a stiff breeze, but that also depends on what the Cygnar unit-buffing landscape looks like in Mk3.
Jonathan Parker
Stormblades need defensive line.
James Long
pKreoss says hi.
I wonder how Deliverers and Light Artillery are in mkIII.
Matthew White
no, they just need point cost efficiency.
They're ranged attacks bring up their total cost too much. Make the ranged attack weaker and then reflect it in their cost and they'd be perfect
Connor Evans
>implying pKreoss isn't getting the Sorscha treatment
Xavier Ward
Big fucking deal.
Hardly. They've given out lots of little random tidbits, but its impossible for a picture to form without any context
Oliver Thomas
So you aren't gonna be happy until everything drops.
Given an inch and try to take a mile.
Connor Thompson
No, I'm not going to be happy untill a picture begins to take shape. They haven't even given an inch yet.
Liam Mitchell
>All these Cryx players on the forums trying to defend 2" melee in Bane Knights and Raiders
Jonathan Jackson
I don't think we've seen an infantry model with 2 inch reach yet, but I'm sure it'll stay. If it does, I'm sure that models with spears will retain it, while models with non-spear two handed weapons (such as Exemplar Great Swords, and Bayonets on rifles) will be 1 inch and hand weapons will be .5
Andrew Robinson
I'm expecting the different storm infantry to be better defined in a single role, likely the Stormblades for melee, Stormguard for the shooting and Silverline for defensive.
Lance rule still in the game, working as intended.
John Hernandez
Stormguard for shooting? lol
Tyler Rodriguez
>Magnus, a mangler, renegade and talon
Good fucking times. 10 years later, he gets a whole book dedicated to him winning, finally
Nathaniel Jones
>what is trencher and slayer melee
Hudson Kelly
I dont see it. Its all idiots talking about Lance as if its important
What about it. We know nothing, and the slayer still has an awful grid
Tyler Gomez
Lance is a pretty terrible rule, and I don't blame people for wanting to know why it continues to exist.
Brody Sanchez
You seem to know about the slayer fine
Stop being a little bitch
Alexander Taylor
Why is Lance a terrible rule? It makes cavalry bodacious on the charge, and kinda meh otherwise. Like cavalry should be.
Anthony Anderson
>kinda meh otherwise
Answered your own question.
Elijah Morris
People can't swing lances all the time. It's a weapon that requires momentum.
John Barnes
Knowing sbout the slayer is kind of pointless without knowing, say, Mortenabra.
Nathaniel Rodriguez
It still has wonky rules interactions that are really annoying, and it gives them so very little board presence in terms of a large base model, same deal that non-reach warjacks generally had.
The RNG0 at least fixed some of the problems with rules interactions, though at glance not all of them(unless free strike has been rewritten), but I don't understand why a 5 man unit can't simply have reach all the time. Even if they could only use it on the charge(and had a rule to fix the freestrike issue) they could at least engage whatever they don't kill.
Which is the other problem, mind. Paying that much for 5 quality attacks really hurts when they're so limited in what they can do.
Owen Brown
I mostly just hope they recosted a lot of models, period. They've mentioned that a lot of things were costed in a sometimes-wonky way, so I'm hoping for a break on things like Vengers, while Bane Riders with their always-on reach, stay at a higher point cost.
Christopher Murphy
>It's a weapon that requires momentum. The kind of momentum you might get by striking at something whilst riding by it, perhaps?
Grayson Flores
So is this game not going to be shit anymore? I still remember when it was an abstract version of chess, 10 years ago, before it became a glorified 40k meta.
Caleb Howard
I dunno. Do you intend to keep trolling no matter what we say?
Julian Hall
>I still remember when it was an abstract version of chess When it was a solved game that was almost entirely won by going first? I too remember that time
Jaxson James
AND TO THE SURPRISE OF NO ONE ABSYLONIA GETS HER ASS BEAT AS PROTEUS DROPS HIS SPAGHETTI EVERYWHERE*
*VENETHRAX TOWERS OVER HER BROKEN BODY AND LEANS DOWN*
VENETHRAX: I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR ME SPAWN OF THE DRAGONFATHER BEFORE I TAKE YOUR SERVANT'S LIFE I WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE THING
ABSYLONIA: ONII-CHAN MY HIP BONES ARE MOVING ON THEIR OWN :3
EVERBLIGHT: OH FUCK EVERYTHING
Still makes me laugh.
William Miller
I always like to imagine that Everblight has Super Kami Gurus voice.
Jaxon Cook
...
Brandon Sanders
>> >ABSYLONIA: ONII-CHAN MY HIP BONES ARE MOVING ON THEIR OWN :3 >
(pic related) my fucking sides.. every fucking time.
Alexander Morales
>White always wins in chess
Nigger detected.
Julian Ward
Everblight: Kallus.
Kallus:...
Everblight: Kallus!
Kallus:...
Everblight: KALLUS!
Kallus: WHAT!
Everblight:...
Everblight: Let him kill you.
Kallus: Wha.. why?!
Everblight: KALLUS!
Kallus:...
Everblight: Are you dead yet?
Kallus: Ugh...
Jose Mitchell
Oh god, that works way too well
Bentley Smith
>>White always wins in chess > >Nigger detected.
now now .. /pol/ is that way ------->
Justin Ramirez
What do you guys use to represent Steamroller objectives?
What have you seen used at tournaments?
I know PP sells generic objective markers but I'd to see something unique to your faction.
Grayson Jackson
this is lovely. I might do one myself
Jonathan Robinson
I'll do one for the end of Wrath of the Dragonfather.
Haley: You know why we're here.
Everblight: Saeryn.
Blighterghast: GIVE ME THE GOD DAMN ATHANC.
Saeryn: ....
Haley: Or do what? Kill me? Toruk kicked your ass. I might be slowly dying of dragon radiation but I'm calling the shots here! We're going to make a deal!
Everblight: Saeryn!
Blighterghast: OH GOD DAMN IT WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW
Haley: I'll give you the athanc if you keep Cygnar safe from all the other dragons. Forever. Like, we don't ever have to worry about dragons ever again and finally put an end to this stupid hot potato storyline that's been going on since Forces of Cryx.
Saeryn: ....(Oh hey I got an idea.)
Everblight: SAERYN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING. GIVE ME THE ATHANC. EAT IT YOURSELF FOR ALL I CARE
Saeryn: (Holy shit hold on. I have an idea! No wonder you got stuck in Fuck Mountain all these years. I'm putting you on Ignore for a bit! I got this!)
Everblight: WAIT WHAT. SINCE WHEN COULD YOU DO THAT. SAERYN. SAERYYYYYYYYYN! HOLY SHIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING!? SAAAAERRYYYYN!
Rhyas: (Holy shit you can put him on ignore? Awesome! Wait, isn't he going to kill us now?)
Saeryn: (....)
Blighterghast: WAIT SERIOUSLY? THAT'S IT? I DON'T EVEN GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ALL OF YOU. SURE, OKAY.
Tyler Nguyen
that's the end? or is there a little bit more? Dayum dat seacat sure knows how to make a cliffhanger...
