Even terrain won't matter unless it goes full malifaux, and even then melee armies don't like that shit.
Cygnar and Legion have the best method of gunline as it currently stands and they have the best anti shooting mitigation tools available for them. Even against all that the current terrain rule demanding "completely within" means that even with density of terrain and terrain mattering, the melee forces have very few areas to hide behind.
While arguments for forests can be made, you have to remember that even melee armies struggle with forests since they too don't have forest LOS mitigation to do charges.
At the end of the day, guns still are very strong for these bad scenarios.
Hudson Smith
Played my first game of Mk2.5 today. Makeda1 (me) v Bethayne, 75 points. The Agonizer is fucking nuts, Cetrati are fucking amazing, the Willbreaker giving tough is great, Carnage is still retarded, Quicken is a solid spell, feat is worse than it used to be but can still be used to tie faggots up in melee because so many of Skorne's good units have 2" range. Oh and the Agonizer is FUCKING NUTS. Opponent blocking a charge lane? NO PROBLEM LOL. Cetrati have Shield Wall up? ALRIGHT HAVE ANOTHER 2 ARMOUR. Opponent has left a point free on his beasts so he can transfer? NOT ANYMORE LOL GET ASSASSINATED.
One of my Nihilators killed a solo, 2 Blight Wasps, and 2 Nihilators in a single Berserk. Shit was cash.
Carson Baker
Have you actually played them?
Jeremiah Ross
>playing mk2.5
Prime is out, and so far the faction decks. nigga its mk3.
>thinking skorne is good
lol
Nolan Jenkins
Does anyone even plan on playing 50 points?
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - Rhyas 3:The search for Rhyas 2
I'm trying to get some mileage out of the infantry I own that isn't strider's.
Anthony Murphy
Hold on, we got a badass over here.
Levi Williams
Everything seemed about as good as before if not better. Like, the utility you get from an Agonizer is off the charts now. Giving all enemy models within 8" -2STR is dumb. It's not even enemy beasts or enemy jacks, it's just every single god damn model. And being able to Repulse to clump your opponent's infantry up for a Nihilator to go nuts is just dumb.
Molik Karn felt the same as he always did, the Gladiator was better because it was cheaper, the Krea was better because not only is it cheaper but the bubble preventing blast damage stopped the Blightbringer dropping on my Nihilators.
I was actually kind of impressed with the changes.
Evan Davis
Hang on a minute, if animii are considered spells now, does that mean warlocks can channel them through beasts? Like, could Hexeris2 use Repulse but cast it through a titan?
Jack Jackson
you mean games? yes. Even if you haven't, this isn't the first time PP has done "cross the half way point of the map to win" scenario. It's always been disastrous for everyone involved.
It basically boils down to gunlines just hammering at everything or super blitz like that of Strakhov or E Stryker taking the initiative and never letting up.
PP has made a mistake with this scenario. This will be the new incursion, the scenario that every competent player dreads or will exploit. I guarantee that specific builds will rise just to counter or play into this scenario. We will see the "Krueger 2 into Destruction" level of forgone conclusion in the matchups.
