"I play Chaos, guardsmen are weak and inferior with since they're basically fodder and could never match the powers of the warp!"
"I play Chaos...
Adam Jackson
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Brayden Moore
Show me on this mini where Chaps player turned you to heresy.
Dylan Thomas
That's okay; I play necrons.
because i really liked Terminator/ Crazy Robot Egyptians in Space.
Oliver Wright
also what kind of Chaos? Chaos Daemons, Chaos space Marines? you know that there are Chaos Cultist and Chaos Guardsmen who are the same. as their non corrupt brothers.
Colton Clark
You know, back in middle school almost every guy I knew who was into Chaos was like this.
Gavin Ortiz
>Powers of the warp
>The Gods of Chaos are collectively the following:-
>A Schizophrenic parrot
>A fatass who would actually corrode if you even showed him clean water
>A guro fetishist with anger issues
>A Thai ladyboy who's really into S&M
>And a literal fucking retcon who will never ever be referenced ever again in canon
>All of which are having trouble with a lot of guys with laser pointers
Gee why wouldn't you ever want to worship such a stellar cast of characters?
Ethan Jenkins
"Where they marked you" would probably be better
Landon Ramirez
But how none of these men have ever singlehandedly slain a greater daemon without support. Only the space elves, augmented fragments of long dead ubermensch, the clergy and other chaos daemons have brought one to heel.
But never a guardsman
Leo Collins
Nathan Bailey
Hold up, I have a question for you warhammer fags.
Does anyone use SMGs in the series? Because I fucking love SMGs, so which ever faction uses SMGs are the best.
Adrian Cook
Well, that's true though.
Chase Wright
> Normal men
> Fighting beasts, space elves, monstrous creatures from beyond the galaxy
> Normal men holding the line
Why would you play anything but Guardsmen
Owen Roberts
A modern SMG is small fucking potatoes in the 40k setting.
Standard issue infantry weapon is a laser rifle. Which while comparatively weak when used against the nasties in this galaxy far outclass any modern small arms.
There are some Imperium forces which use SMG-like weapons, but they're not really anything like what we have today.
Leo Bennett
Well yes, a modern SMG. But I mean something equivalent in function, not just what we have now. Like a smaller, more compact version of whatever futuristic standard they have, with higher rate of fire and made specifically for high tactical close encounters, where rapid fire response is more important than accuracy.
Benjamin Garcia
That guy was quite a baddass.
Lincoln Torres
I play lizar- Seraphon because I'm gay and my bf plays skaven
Gavin Phillips
Because being that beast is awesome.
Jace Powell
Your best bet is probably Elysian Drop Troops, who carry bullpup lasguns as they're, well, drop troops. There's also plenty of third-party sources for minis that sell SMG bits, all of which could work as Imperial Guard.
But most troops carry ye standard M36 lasgun.
Christopher Garcia
SMGs are generally made for spec ops usage
Spec Ops in 40K tend to use flamethrowers or guns which fire tiny missiles.
The closest thing would be a stom bolter (if they're still a thing in canon) which is basically 2 bolters strapped together and made to fire very fast(and Jam very fast).
The Tau Pathfinders have smaller versions of the Tau pulse rifle but I'm not sure if they count as SMGs.
Aiden Peterson
Imperial Beastmen returning when?
William Martin
That sounds more like what I mean.
Cameron Bell
IG uses carbines or bullpup rifles usually
John Kelly
Terminators got those storm bolters or whatever
Tyler Butler
In the RPG's autopistols (SMG's in WH40K lingua) are quite good, but in the tabletop there isn't really none.
Hudson Garcia
Do you really want the game to just be guardsmen fighting other guardsmen forever? I mean, there are other tabletop games for that sort of thing if that's what you're into.
Lincoln Sanders
They're treated like all other pistols, that's a case of not enough granularity to effectively have them fill a niche
Christopher Cruz
Could be low/medium damage, with burst/full auto bonuses, and shorter range, and larger clip than most assault rifles.
Blake Clark
Was talking about the tt actually, they do have different stats in the rpg with their 6 full auto burst compared to 2/3 semis other pistols have
Ryder Jones
user thats not edge on the players part thats edge on the writers part
Thomas Taylor
Tau Pulse Carbines are carbines, not SMGs. They're still rifles and quite long.
SMGs don't actually exist in 40k because bolt pistols do even more damage and are even smaller.
An SMG would be a type of stubber, and stub weapons are usually primitive, meaning they are usually large, unwieldy, or even pipe-based. They're definitely not going to have compact and sophisticated builds like an SMG.
Carbines are the best you will get in 40k for an SMG analogue.