Have you ever encountered a mary sue?

>baited while claiming it's bait.

Pretty much sums up the stupidity of star wars fans.

At least he got training, and he was being guided by the spirit of his dead mentor.

>We have never seen any of the Skywalkers mindcontrol anyone

Luke got into Jabba's Palace with that...

She got training too. Kyle may not have meant it that way, but hands-on (or in this case brain-on) training is the best kind.

>MFW I've seen more mary sues in gmod freeform rp.
>MFW Most of them were men roleplaying edgy little girls.
>MFW I had to help moderate a server with 3 of these.
>They even got raped a bunch.
>I almost managed to kill them as the servers "monsters" but the head admin always saved them.
So much potential for gmod serious rp. Wasted by such latent debauchery.

I think the little "mind duel" they had was less about skill and more about willpower. Considering they actually showed us Crylo having a bitchfit in an earlier scene, I can believe that she's got more willpower than him.

At the beginning of the movie they show she's pretty good at H2H combat, so it's not like she's a complete amateur.
Also, at the beginning of the fight she wasn't doing any better than Finn was. It wasn't till she "used the force" that she started winning.

>My only problem with Rey is that she shouldn't know how to fly a ship as quickly as she does.
I don't get why people think she's never flown a ship before. That's never stated or really implied before.

She's a scavenger and mechanic. She mentions that she knows the changes that were made the falcon, so it's pretty easy to figure out that she had a hand in getting the supplies and making the modifications to it.
She's probably test flown it a few times so that the boss could see if it was working like he wanted.

lets not forget, that they twice remind you that Kylo had been shot during that fight.
But people still forget.
Did they need a third time, are they fucking Peter from the bible who needs to be told every last thing 3 times.

I took all this less as Kylo being weak, and more him being conflicted and kept intentially emotionally unstable.

If he was thinking clearly, why would he stay with the Dark Lord and want to hurt his family, who he still clearly loves. The Dark Lord wanted him angry, because embracing your anger is part of the Dark Side, and wanted him irrational and unstable.
He wanted Kylo barely in control of himself, so he needed to rely on others to give him guidance.

How is she NOT a mary sue? A mary sue is a character that completely warps the setting around them, ignoring many of the settings boundaries and overcoming many of their "flaws" almost immediately or having them work out to be secret bonuses.

>She is magically gifted at almost everything she touches
>Knows Wookie without interacting with them
>Comes from a desert planet in complete poverty yet is insanely athletic and the pinnacle of fitness.
>Every character she interacts with comes to like and appreciate her
> She can fly an old millennium falcon despite never flying a starship before.
> She can out mind fuck someone with years more training
> Her only "struggle" was crying about a lightsaber and then immediately overcomes it thanks to BB-buddy
> Almost magically defeats a lightsaber user with no training, with a weapons she would have no skill with
>Is given the keys to the millennium falcon and get the Wookie with her... BECAUSE?
>Is sent alone to find the most important character the rebellion has been looking for, no one else, even though Leia has only JUST met her BECAUSE?

Granted, she is going to be revealed as a skywalker, and ALL of them are major mary sues in their own stories but anyone thinking she ISNT a Sue... oh man... Anyone describing her as their "OC character do not steal" in the Star Wars general would be laughed off, but one Disney stamps on it she is above reproach, kek worthy at best.

That's stupid as shit... He wasn't training her, he was trying to dig into her mind, her turning that into "training for her" is Sue as fuck.

She is the poorest character in her society, forced to live out in the desert and barely gets enough to eat, she drives a speeder.

Even if she test flew it she would never have been able to perform the crazy shit it does in the movie, unless she was a skywalker, and they are sue tier.