Why are females in fantasy pretty much the same just with different skin and horns? And why they always the same?

Why are females in fantasy pretty much the same just with different skin and horns? And why they always the same?

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>phoneposting

Because normies have shit taste.

No really, that's it. You make good nonhuman female models or art, put play testers in control of them and they bitch that they're unattractive.

Why are females in Sci-fi pretty much the same just with different skin and hair color/something that just isn't hair? And why they always the same?

I don't know, that's why i'm asking. Are you mocking me?

But you answered the question yourself already with the Pic, dumbass.

>basing the opinions of people at large on the one example set by WoW where players bitched that the female troll was ugly and no one would play it
This is one of those things that's overblown to the point of satire.

And on the other end, you've got people creating stuff specifically to pander to the anti-human female avatars to the point it becomes silly.

If you want to be realistic about it, there's plenty of art that makes non-human females look like females of their species without being human-esque.

If you want a genuine criticism, they rarely go so far as to make the females larger than the males, or plain colored, or have them differentiate on things that mammals would.

>lizardfolk/birdfolk
>females aren't bigger and drab/mud looking
>males aren't smaller, lither, and brightly colored

Generally the female will always be a bit smaller and thinner than their male counterparts, and the nature of avatars is they will be special snowflakes in all regards the males could be.

I don't think play testers get to make that call on art assets.

It's literally because sex sells, and there is no reason for the higher ups to green light something new and unproven art directions.

Your more likely to see unconventional characters designs in non corporate environments, because indies tend to push the envelope wrt design decisions.

Enjoy your green tidday orks.

This thread is too /r9k/ for my taste.

>And why they always the same?

What do you mean with that?

The answer in OPs Image is actually spot-on.

Have you never wondered why 3D women started bitching about muh representation in games and movies yet they shit on every female character and at the same time everyone involved is unhappy because they argue how a strong female character looks like and how one supposedly should act?

Its because 3D females inherently do not have a character. No appeal. They surround themselves with THING they claim interests them and latch on to it just for male attention.

Women being attractive in fantasy/scifi is literally the only thing they have going for them. Its an universal truth.

This is either bait or really, really sad. It's probably both.

Because attractiveness is the only thing women have going for them.

>3D
>implying 2D is any better

>Ugly Male Character
Females: Ya, we sure showed those guys. Look at this disfigured bastard.
Males: Neat, that gnarled badass, probably swings a mean sword.
>Ugly Female Character
Female: Eww, that's a sexist, chauvanistic portrayal of the female form. That's totally inappropriate, all women are beautiful.
Male: Would not bang. I'll just pick that ugly guy who swings a mean sword.

>Attractive Male
Female: Oh look at this totally accurate portrayal of males. Everyone who doesn't look like fabio fucked he-man should be ashamed because it's totally obtainable through hard work.
Male: Neat, I bet girls will like him.

>Attractive Female
Female: Look, it's totally how I perceive myself in character, what an accurate representation of the female form.
Male: Rule 34, I'm going to fap until my dick bleeds.

I find your never-ending struggle for love way, way sadder, user.

I don't think its 100% true. but its true enough. How many times have you seen a picture of a super hunk male model in nothing but his undies. How many times have you bitched about this being unrepresentative of men?

Femos get away with to much shit in my opinion. Case in point. Female Tennis players get payed the same as the men for the sole reason of 'muh gendah eckwality'. Now I would have no problem with this. If the women played 5 sets or the men played 3. If they did that, I would agree with both genders being payed the same amount. But they don't. The women get payed the same as the men for doing less work which is total bullshit.

Red female > old turd color female >>>>>>> literal shit >>> Green Female

/thread

>waifu path
>not eightfold waifu path
disappointedbuddha.png

>are you even human

i'm not allowed to post facts about women in this Veeky Forums.

HUMANS PURSUE WEIRD DEVIANT SEX SHAPES!

The female on attractive female is wrong it should be.
: This women is to attractive and overly sexualised. etc

>look like fabio fucked he-man
I hate you, I hate you, I hate you.
And I hate that fujo bitch who explained what m-preg is even though I never asked.

m-preg is male pregnancy, isn't it?

Wrong. I'm talking about females using self-insert attractive characters for projected self-image masturbation in a fantasy setting. Have you ever seen supernatural? That one lesbian nerd girl is the epitome of this trope. Every time she shows up, I can hear some tumblr girl screaming "Oh my god, that's just like me! I'm totally an elite hacker who can show up those silly boys with my half-assed work ethic because females are amazing and can do anything!". It's the same reason everyone in that new ghostbusters movie had real, half decent jobs then turned into super rockstars. Females can't handle criticism through a social lens. Instead, they project themselves on to certain characters that have traits they find desirable. One of those traits is attractiveness, and the other is social standing. This is why you'll never have a homely female character without a promising career or some secret super power. Same reason you'll never have a dumb bitch without her being attractive.

and how

I want to meet one of the people genuinely into this kind of shit. Buy them a lunch, and just ask them what the hell happened in their life that fucked them up so bad.

Ah I get ya.

Being genuine actually

The problem of non-human males looking so different yet the non-human females looking far too human is systemic in almost every genre. And most of it has to do with human sexuality, the target audiance, the inability to overcome the outrage machines on either end of the female appearance debate, and finally the artist and writers. Both of which need some help portraying non-human females as NON-HUMAN.

Save it for your manifesto

Do females like tomoko?

It's just that lots of artists aren't interested in drawing unattractive things of any type, and if they're forced to they're going to make the unattractive thing male or gender neutral when given the free option.

Artists, especially fantasy ones, aren't a solid institution that's open to appeal. They're just people who spend their time drawing stuff that doesn't exist.

>the problem is systemic
>problem
There is no problem, and you're overblowing how loud people are on the subject. You're making the same mistake most intellectually lazy people make.

Just because you only hear the 10 people bitching, the 20 people bitching at those 10, you forget there's 70 people that are perfectly happy with the status quo.

>but user, those 70 may agree with the 10 but don't speak out
If they're not speaking out, they're not that concerned with the issue. It's never 100% for/against.

I've tried to figure that out too. The suspected factors: daddy issues combined with strong one-sides talent and poor social skills - nearly Tomoko-tier. Consuming way too many slashfics. Virgin in early 20's (not sure cause or consequence).

Roastie.

Most of my species in fantasy game have little to no gender difference. including OC and classics like elf and dorfs.
>humans and many other creatures treat their women like breeding stock
>less-than-you-would-expect prejudice on species because Child Snatching is/used to be a thing
>elfs are'nt faggot

HOW HAS THIS NOT BEEN POSTED YET

I would waifu anyone who has bags under their eyes even half as purple as mine. I once got asked if I was wearing eyeliner. Actually that's really unhealthy. Shit.

>waifu'ing tomoko
If you wipe off the animu portrayal, the assumption is that she's actually hideous. A real life portrayal would not be hollywood ugly, but actual ugly. She's also insane.

>double shifts all summer
>no tan because constantly indoors
>bags under eyes because not enough sleep
>look in the mirror in September
>tfw

That picture just reminds me of how hot for Tandy from Myth Adventures I was as a kid.

WoW would have been so much better if female trolls were trollops.

>there is no problem
Of course there is. If there were no problem, we would have far less of those blue babes. But in almost all escapist media females are attractive, no matter the race.
And stop kidding yourself. It's not about feminists. It's not about women. It's a nice boogeyman that lets you get rid of responsibility. But the truth is, it's just men who want far material. They are the main consumers of that shit.
Look at Japan, a country not really influenced by feminists. The shit they produce is outrageous.

Your question is answered in your post, but this is a kinder gentler Veeky Forums in the post gamergate days so you refuse to see.

>the assumption is that she's actually hideous
Nah, she's plain and average, the epitome of 5/10.

So what is the problem? If men are the main consumers, and getting what they want, where is the issue?

user, that was one of the most poorly constructed arguments I've ever read. It's literally spewing with false equivalency and non-sequitur. Are you alright? Did you recently suffer a traumatic brain injury?

Probably 4/10 if she was real, well within acceptable standards.

Most likely, it's because an artist or designer's job is to make a thing look like the thing it's supposed to be. No matter how realistic or accurate they made the design, if someone comes and asks "which one's the girl?", then technically, they've failed.

I think fujoshits are hilarious. They're essentially cucking themselves by getting off to men that would never love or fuck them

>people recoil in horror at her when she tries to do cute things attractive girls do
Take this, I know she's chinese but googling unattractive japanese girl only brings up before/after makeup pictures of koreans.

Anyway, take this, make the hair matted, put rings and bags under her eyes, and then make her smell like week old gym shorts.

That's about where tomoko is.

>waifuing a whore

She would feel disgust at any and all of you, she only wants Chad/Stacy, she smells, she is shallow just like every other women if not worst.
All of you waifuing her are normalfags and thus disgust me.

>hur dur she isnt that ugly!

>4/10
>acceptable

>>>redddit

>it sucks for me, because when I want to masturbate, I look for porn. I don't need that shit in my fantasy. It breaks immersion.
>it really is sexist.

>spewing fancy words for "I disagree"

She's got the look.
The Innsmouth look.

I figured it was low self esteem from being turned down by guys. If they turned her down because they're secretly gay, then she isn't unattractive.
It's not her fault, it's his.

>feminists boogeyman
But he never said word feminist or sjw, you need to visit d9ctor because you start to see things

*tips (you)*

>kinder gentler

wat

The problem is that those """"men""" are fucking casuals, i play game for many things, porn ain't one of them.

Not him, but half of the thread did.

>spewing fancy words for "I disagree"
No, I'm spewing fancy words for "Jesus christ you're an illiterate cretin with poorly supported shit opinions, how could you think that's okay?" but I'm usually more tasteful than that.

Most cucked post on Veeky Forums right now.

She isn't fat and at this point, with my only recent sex being with some pretty heavy girls, I'd take almost anything of slim build.

>sexist

O I am laffin

Is the joke that it's actually decorated the left way?

it's a sport
they're getting paid for being good at a game
they play a fucking game for a living
all professional sports players get paid arbitrarily high checks disproportionate to workload
you couldn't have picked a worse example if you tried

Wrong pic

You look hurt.

>japan produces insane smut
Japan, and other asian nations, are insanely repressed sexually too. K-pop is only a thing because traditional porn is banned outright there.

But there's still no problem. I don't care how they're portrayed until I'm bored of a setting or it's clearly sex bait. Like Queen's Blade tier stuff. I couldn't care less if every female of a species had tits despite it making no sense.

>Most likely, it's because an artist or designer's job is to make a thing look like the thing it's supposed to be.

And the problem being discussed is why they're "supposed to be" sexy while male characters don't have this limitation.

>No matter how realistic or accurate they made the design, if someone comes and asks "which one's the girl?", then technically, they've failed.

Do people say that about, say, your horse mount in a game? "I can't tell if my mount is female, so you failed to design the horse mount." Yes you're right people fully expect sexual dimorphism in their characters, but that doesn't mean an artist failed at designing a creature if someone can't discern the gender. Even in that case, where distinguishing genders is part of the artist's design goal, you can have traits we associate with femininity (a rounder / softer shape language for the female compared to a more angular / harder shape language for the male. Or stuff like narrow waist, wider hips, more slender shoulders, tits, etc) without making them "sexy."

Saved. I keep wanting to post this to random shit, but can never remember where I got it.

Thank you.

Seems to me like you lack the conviction required to ascend. Please construct more calculated arguments next time to avoid embarrassing yourself with baseless assumptions.

I'm sure you can understand some people have much lower standards than you.

But you're right, her standards are much higher than mine.

Then why the fuck you bitch to him about blaming feminists
>okay, this guy is not bitching about feminists, but other guys do, so I'll tell him to stop
You're literally chancist

...

listening to youtube.com/watch?v=3G5ALtxIAI0

while reading this

A horse isn't a character, unless it is, in which case it's generally made clear if the horse is male or female

I wouldn't always blame the artists; see the WoW redesigns, where unappealing females were redesigned en masse. It just seems that almost nobody wants to play ugly chicks, be it in vidya or rpgs.

>maybe if i use all those words people will think i have an argument

you talk talk and say nothing, like a women nagging

>I don't have arguments so I'll use some meme words, that sure will show them!
Wew, why not post smug girls when you're at it?

Who is this and can I fuck it?

>the problem is males don't have to be sexy
Sexy to who? And you're mistaking sex for power.

>male power is equitable to being formidable, which is sexy to some women
>female power is being sexy

Both of which imply attractive. Everyone should have high CHA but CHA doesn't always mean perfect tits and pulsating biceps to everyone. But it does to most people.

Anyway, the portrayals aren't about sexiness exactly, it's about the perception of status and power. It's just different for men and women.

>half of the thread did
>CTRL + F ''feminist''
>4 hits including the post you refer to
>CTRL + ''sjw''
>2 hits including the post you refer to
>58 replies
>HALF OF THE THREAD DID

>these guys
Come on anons, I remember when people would at least try to come up with properly constructed arguments before bitching that no one is taking them seriously.

In all honesty, I'd have played the fuck out of the hideous female troll.

And been an unbelievable cunt to literally everyone about everything.

Because then the universe would be in line with portrayal in game. Female trolls would be super pissed off at the pretty female night elves, blood elves, and humans, and probably be leaders of trolls bent on genociding the pretty ones.

Victim complex makes you overstate non-offenses. It's just expected when the issue at hand isn't even an issue to anyone that matters.

The irony is, she was not ugly, she was not even just "average". Even with zero effort she still managed to look above average and when she actually tried she could be really hot. (That was like twice a year.)
Wasted potential, really. On several levels, because she was also highschool dropout.

The thing is, in many RPG contexts men and women are on a relatively equal footing both socially and physically (besides the -4 STR meme). You can have a formidable female warrior who does warrior things and it generally won't damage anybody's suspension of belief unless they're a determined grognard.

That said, I understand your argument in terms of designing a character that has to be appealing to real people with out own social assumptions, and I think you're onto the meat of why it is the way it is with the status/power thing. I just think it's a shame people are so afraid to push the envelope a little when it comes to character design, and I don't agree that a design "failed" if it doesn't meet that criteria.

>she was not ugly
Who? The person that drew that?

>Female trolls would be super pissed off at the pretty female night elves, blood elves, and humans
Surely trolls would have different standards of beauty.

>in many RPG contexts men and women are on a relatively equal footing both socially and physically

I hate that so fucking much. Not on my game, never on my game. nevar 4get

That's missing the point.
It is only failure if it is one of goals of the design to make them automatically distinguishable.
It's akin to saying that the lizardfolk design is a failure because you can't tell which one is male/female because both are flat and have a cloaca.
In that case if distinction between sex is important, it is usually brought apparent via language or alternative dimorphism ( ex. Plumage, size, color... )

Contrary to popular belief, women nor men wish to play as unattractive characters.

>it's a shame people are afraid to push the envelope
Here you go again fabricating a problem where there is none. Most people don't care. And sex sells. Nothing broken.

Women are women, regardless of species in Warcraft. Female trolls would be just as susceptible to jealousy as everyone else. They'd probably hate on night elf women as hard as black women hate on white women. Since all night elves descended from trolls, there'd be endless WE WUZ stuff graffiti'd on places night elves frequent by troll women. And I mean the name is perfect for female trolls to just be absolute utter petty deplorable people.

>ugly
>good looking
>creepy
>female

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