/awg/ - Alternative Wargames General

Sweet, thanks!

I'm unlikely to ever play it, since I'm pretty set for skirmish rulesets I love to bits, but I've been curious and the constant dead link in the /awg/ OPs was bugging me.

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Is that some More Like LaserBURN Nemesis?

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I just really love the terrain in this shot. So... simple. So plain, so stylish. Squares, walls and hedges, green pipe cleaners or something laid flat in one field, a square of astroturf in another...

Laser Squad was a blatant copy of Gollop's Laserburn houserules, so yeah. He even said as such at some point. So it's really suiting.

Also the guys that make the snakemen that dude used, are making newer versions that are (TOTALLY-NOT) XCOM2 snakemen.

I'll stop spamming the thread now, haha.

Well shit, I picked up 3 boxes and 10 blisters of old Warzone minis because they are cheap as shit...I started collecting it because I thought it'd be manageable, because it's not that common, and not that cheap either...last week a still in shrinkwraps Bauhaus Strike Skimmer for 10 fuggen Euros...

Tho my favourite was the Bunker I got. Guy said it's one bunker, opened it, two bunkers and a bridgehead. Life's good sometimes.

>old thread link
You did good, OP. You did good.

15mm? fug...
gz m8!

>How did you get into non-GW games?

GW prices got higher and the rules got worse.

Took a long time to find alternative games I liked and even longer to find groups who played them but it was worth it in the end.

>How did you get into non-GW games?

Got into historicals via something looking interesting and a couple of the slightly older crowd at GW going 'ooh' and playing it, and I followed because I've always been one to go after games I find interesting rather than just play what the majority do. From there it was just no looking back, because once free of the need to keep up with whatever was going on with 40k/fantasy, other stuff just got more play time, and there was no bias against doing things other than historicals either.

The only thing that didn't cause it to happen even sooner was the lack of good internet coverage, both in terms of connections and actual pages for stuff.

Got to play three games of Dust Warfare over the weekend with my NDAK (related, but not mine). Won 2, lost 1. My Stummel was a nightmare for my friend.

>How did you get into non-GW games?

I never got into GW games, since all my friends are ex-GW players and scared me off.

Otherwise, I'm pretty new, I got interested in historicals a bit ago and now I'm mostly lurking this thread to check out the misc other things.

>I never got into GW games, since all my friends are ex-GW players and scared me off.
No need to be into geedubs games to be into non-GW games, but usually those are the most recognized and cited names when you mention you are into wargaming.

>How did you get into non-GW games
I thought about picking up 40K but then one of my friends told me to play Infinity instead (He offered to sell me his Eldar though, he was pretty nice about that).

>How did you get into non-GW games?

I haven't but I want to, I'm keeping very close tabs on Heavy Gear as I want to play something with mechs. I've looked at Battletech and shudder at the thought of all that bookkeeping, my feeble cortex can't handle all that information.

>Stummel

is Dust ever coming back? Ive never seen it anywhere
that tank is badass and I want one.

Paolo is trying to resurrect it, again. Don't count on anything though.

Pretty much what said. Warfare is 90% kilt, and Paolo is running around shitting out game systems and models trying to be somewhat productive and save a game he cant help but kill.

That said, the Babylon models were really quite nice, and if you can find the Warfare books I highly recommend trying it out. Tactics is okay, but Dust Battlefield is Warfare Lite and therefore shit.

Still love the models, though I wish they weren't made out of that rubbery plastic shit.

>letting the zombie drive the tank
kek

uff, i didnt even know that it had that many versions
I've been looking for something with a maschinen kreiger-ish aesthetic and this looks great, sounds like hes made a right arse of it
fucking tragic waste of cool models

There's always Konflict '47. There are some pretty sweet walkers, though the 28mm figures don't look as cool on average as Dust's 32mm figures.

>He doesn't let his undead pilot heavy machinery

That's ableist user. We must respect their brain-eating, constantly groaning habits.

I thought new shit was already on the way

>these mechs
>these MECHS
accept no substitutes

>these MECHS
>accept no substitutes
I wish Dust was a thing near me instead of 40k.

I could have so many cool Dust models instead of 40k shit.

I wish anything was a thing near me instead of 40k.

Well, Paolo made Dust Tactics. Tile based, sorta meh, but fun. Then Andy Chambers sticks his dick in and makes Warfare, and it's a ton of fun - rules aren't too complicated, list building is fun, and overall it's a solid skirmish game.

Paolo does not like people enjoying something he didn't directly create. I'm fuzzy on the details, but support gets pulled, game gets tossed around a company or two, and sort of peters off. Dust Battlefield comes along, and it's essentially Tactics without the tiles - where Warfare was it's own, unique game, Battlefield feels sort of...vacant? Certainly not terribly fun, but that's my opinion as a biased Warfare fanboy, so take it with a grain of salt.

A kickstarter occurs at some point with the aforementioned Babylon expansion, and suddenly there's Dust everywhere.

This, too. Konflict '47 is showing a lot of promise, and I like their walkers a lot. Could definitely try that too.

There are no pdfs of Warfare? Been wanting to add them to the trove...

I got lucky and found some firends that were into Malifaux. Shit is great.

>Konflict '47
Do you think there'd be any problems using walkers from one for the other?

>I got lucky and found some firends that were into Malifaux.
Oh well, I was overstating a bit...there's one guy here who's enthusiastic about Malifaux and convinced me to try a game, so I'll soon have a Kaeris starter, plus I already got from another guy a box of Metal Gamin.

I found the Core Rulebook pdf a while back, but none of the expansions. Ended up having to go to Bartertown to find my copies.
I have no scanner at home, and the only one at work is old, so no scans from me unfortunately.

>Do you think there'd be any problems using walkers from one for the other?

I have not seen them side by side, so I'm not sure. However, from the vid I saw on Beasts of War of the playthrough game, the Allied light walker looked like it could work.

Is that flyer yoooge af? I mean, 32mm?

They're not terribly large - and that one's converted a bit.
Trying to think of something close to it...if you're familiar with 40k, it's got a similar wingspan to a valkyrie. Hell, I can post pics when I get home, if folks are curious about scale.

Having some awg pics in thread is always welcome! But take em at your own pace, no hurry

I know this is probably more a /hwg/ question, but if I wanted to play Bolt Action (and therefore Konflict 47 maybe) do people play with official models or just any 28mm WW2 minis?

Any 28mm WW2 minis are fine. People use 1/48 tanks all the time, as they look more in scale with the figures. Bolt Action uses 1/72 planes however, similar to how Flames of War uses 1/115 planes.

Only thing I have painted is a Hans, and I'm still waiting for the transfers to show up in the mail. Been slacking on the veritable mountain of infantry I have lying around.

Oooh, that's actually a pretty damn awesome model! Really nice weathered, dusty metal, look to it, 5/5. But won't it be tricky to make the transfers look worn?

Yeah, very probably. I jumped the gun a bit because I didn't think to ask folks in the WIP threads if they knew of any DAK transfers in that scale. Was halfway through weathering when someone gave me a link.

It'll probably look sloppy, but I've got a mound of vehicles here. We'll just say he was the newest guy out of the factory or something.

Not him, but that's really not that hard, even if you apply them yourself. Paint the basecoat, apply some shiny varnish to where you want to put the transfer, wait till it dries, apply matte varnish, and the edges won't be visible. Then just weather the model with your chosen technique, and make chipping on the transfer too with the base color. This could work after painting the entire model, but it'll be more tricky to do.

Check Perry and Warlord, and I'm pretty sure you can find lots of 1:48 decals.

Oh, I ended up finding some from Rubicon, although I've no idea if they've even shipped the things yet. Been almost a week.

>>How did you get into non-GW games?
I played 40k and it was absolute shit, so I tried other things.

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Well, my camera's borked, but I have some pics of the first Dust force I painted then sold like a retard.

The weapon teams were always my favorite models. Lots of character.

Anyone got Frostgrave: Into the Breeding Pits?

I now have the urge to paint planets. My backlog is already too big. Stop.

>Do you think there'd be any problems using walkers from one for the other?

I don't think so at all. At least K47 has no problems if you use walkers (or anything) from different manufacturers.
I don't know how specific the Dust rules are with weapons etc, but in K47 you have stuff like "light AT gun" without a more specific definition how that thing actually looks like.

check Rubicon models. They sell (not cheap sadly) for example pic related.
Technically its 1/56, but the difference between those two scales is minimal, especially when it comes to decals.

>How did you get into non-GW games?

>Played GW games as a teenager because it was the only wargames i knew off as a child/early teen.

>Took a break for like 10 years

>Decide to get into scale modeling again. (i didn't built anything for 10+ years at this point)
>Learn that there are literally dozens of companies with awesome plastic miniatures besides GW (when i played GW was the only company doing plastics).

I need a source on those minis. t. sinoboo

Watchful I Studio.

Thanks

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What scale are these? Don't look too 28mm...?

They are 28mm. They had a Kickstarter for Chinese-styled fantasy minis this year which was fairly succesful.

Ah, thanks. Took a while to find since there wasn't any mention of it under "About"...

>own loads of Heroquest/Warhammer Quest-type plastics
>finally found someone selling the full Heroquest game, minus the models

What am I in for?

youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A

So has anyone tried out Devil's Run.

> How did you get into non-GW games?

I stopped playing 40k after school and the continued price gouging just got too egregious for me to carry on supporting GW.

>mediafire.com/?915dzzfzkfu52zl

thanks

I have, it's an OK system but I can't help but think they've missed a trick by making actual miniatures.

The bikes are fair enough since getting those in scale is next to impossible but rather than make cars I would have just made weapons and armour packs you can use with regular hot wheels cars, it'd make the game massively customisable out of the box.

>still in shrinkwraps Bauhaus Strike Skimmer for 10 fuggen Euros...
You fuck! I need one of those for my Bauhaus army and Prodos is nothing but fucking radio silence about everything!

Your experience is much the same as mine, I only wish I woke up sooner than I did.

I want to cast some in resin, because I don't like big fucking pieces of metal to be honest...I can't promise it'll be done tomorrow, but if you want, when I get to it, I can get one made for you too.

Any sad loner who plays solo games? What are some good solo miniature rules? I have Tooth & Claw (a hunting game that isn't designed specifically for solo play, but can easily be played as one) and I'm planning to pick up the new solo deck for Pulp Alley when I can afford it.

[email protected]

There's one of my email addresses if you're serious, get in touch.

Crud, uploaded a thumbnail for some reason.

I'm on the edge of doing so, but meh, I can always convince my brother to play with me.

Oh, hey man, I'm the same user who wrote about the heavy infantry. Found the rest yesterday, will send a pic in a couple minutes.

I've played 40k and old warzone by my self before, but that's not the same as what you're asking. I know the AVP boardgame has a solo arena mode which is pretty decent.

One here.

I mostly use THW systems - they're designed for solo (& same-side if I ever get a fellow understander here) playing.

I use Rally Round the King's campaign rules for just about any campaign (with a bit of tweaking).

I've been meaning to try pic related which supposedly has a fairly decent solo mode.

The FiveCore games tend to work well solo too.

I just wish they had released the infantry in actual decent, unpainted plastics instead of the "painted" one we got.

By painted I mean that they're cast is a very flimsy, rubbery plastic that doesn't handle details well, are glued together so that it's extra hard to reach large parts of the model if you try to paint it, and are sprayed with a thick layer of primer to conceal even more details, but shows off the mold-lines very well. And then they stick decals on top of the primer. But if you just paint the faces pink and give them a wash, you get finely sculpted models (and poorly produced) that look okay if you view them from afar and lower your standards.

Yes, I'm a bit bitter. DUST was such a waste of good sculpts. It's as if they couldn't decide between painted and unpainted models, so they went for the worst of both worlds and cast it in the worst plastic they could find. The vehicles are gorgeous, though.

Haha! Small world then. I was wondering when you'd get back to me on those Heavy Infantry. Been a bit busy getting things together for a convention I'm demoing WZR at this weekend though, so I haven't been searching for my Light Infantry. I'll make sure to dig them out of the garage tomorrow morning when I get home from work. I may have less than 2 full squads like I thought, but I know I'll have enough for a full squad to send to you, and enough for myself to recast for my own needs.

Looking forward to those pictures, mate.

I get to play with people every now and then, but it's nice to be able to play with my toys whenever I want. Because scheduling games is a hassle.

Sent the pics...a small world indeed, but I guess the two of us are interested in old Warzone in this thread, so no big surprise. And for what its worth, I'd be perfectly fine with recasts too, I'm not too fussed about original models if they do the job and of great quality - some originals were surprisingly shitty quality, mostly the minis from the US, has a box of US and UK/Europe Etoiles Mortants, the US had lots of holes, miscasts on the rank and file (sergeant and hero was fine), while the other box is perfectly cast with no deformations.

Is there any particular system of theirs you'd recommend, or should I just go with what fits the genres I like?

Go with what you like: they have somenthing for everyone: From Dinosaur Safaris to Space Dogfights (not literally).

They have mostly skirmish rulesets & some large scale ones - but those aren't all that great, IMHO.

Yeah, recasts don't bother me either, so long as they're competently made. I got a story of my own for the old minis, I had bought a sealed box of Etoiles Mortants(beautifully scultped by Kev White) and a few loose minis. When I brke the seal and had a look through my haul I found that the Etoiles captain was missing her right arm! Her sword was there but the arm itself was missing, I was more amused than annoyed at that, 20 years on and I get a mispack.

Just my bloody luck, eh?

I'm tempted by their post-apocalyptic system, I've been looking for something to scratch my Mad Max and Fallout itch in tabletop form. It will have to wait until I can afford $15 for a PDF, though.

Are the rules different from each other, or do they use basically the same core rules for every game, and then swap out some extra rules to fit the specific genre?

was no option to get them on sprues?
i saw primed and premium, but assumed there was still 'raw'
wow, that'd suck for me.

Heh, that really sucks, especially that you can't write an email to Excelsior or Target to send you a replacement...thankfully both of my boxes were complete, and for the second one, I bought it as part of a bigger army, so I also got a Valerie Duval and a flamethrower specialist too, both great models. I need to order some grenadiers and LFT specialists from Prince August to make two full squads, thank fuck he sells those.

All of their rulesets are (mostly) based on Chain Reaction & Swordplay rulesets (available for free) - but with wrinkles of their own.

You can easily start by downloading those two, and 'juicing them up' to your liking.

No, not what I remember. There was an option to order pro-painted models (presumably cast in a decent material) from their website, but that was of course really, really expensive.

Thanks, this looks like great stuff.

Indeed, I've got the grenadier girl and the light flame thrower, need a Valerie of my own, but I'm pretty happy with the new resin one that Prodos does, so it doesn't bother me much. Just wish she had a bit more of dynamic pose, nothing flashy, but more exciting than standing almost awkwardly in the open.

PA sells the Valerie mini too, a really great mini, but the photo sucks ass...it's in an awkward phose when it comes to photography, the old one looks much better on picture.

The new one looks like it has really long limbs to me, I don't like it. Same goes for the standard ETs - do you have a pic for the new Valerie with the old figures? Also, the newer Siege of the Citadel pose isn't anything to write home about either, but it's not that bad.