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Is Robert Jordan a weeaboo?

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He was sexist, so probably

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Matt was such a shit

>Matt was THE shit
FIFY

My wife keeps tellong me she cant wait untill HBO picks up WoT. Deep down though I know it would make a better anime.

I think to be translated into any visual medium there would have to be big changes. There's too much stuff in the books about people being able to sense things that most other characters can't.

I know, that is why I think it would make a good anime. Anime has an easier time showing off a characters inner thought and weeb magic and the like. Its overly stylized and so is WoT.

I think it's gonna cause a shitstorm. The books are full of women embarrassing themselves and men embarrassing them further. At least as an anime no one would care

Is there really? There's just the Saidar glow from what I remember

>implying the men waren't equally dumb

>thirst for mulled wine intensifies

I loved the Wheel of Time to death, but I think it was book 4? Maybe 5? When theyre searching for the bowl of the winds, I actually had to skip those chapters. Nynaeve, Egwene, and Elayne were so fucking infuriating I could not bring myself to read their chapters.

stuff like the flame and the void and how the man-magic was sickening etc. i guess

yeah, the art was horrible. but anime ver could fix that.
>not basing toun on the child-like empress from the never ending story
such a big loss. but appearances are just that- appearances.

this, a thousand times this

my bad, didn't notice the fine at print at first.
you forgot
>emo
>duckling
>furry
etc
the whole 'wot is sexist' memes well and it helps keep the story on people minds, but it just ain't true.

I think it's the opposite of sexist. Switching the gender roles and having the women think the men are silly and not capable of leadership is an interesting commentary.

Been listening to WoT on audiobook and I got to say it is GOAT. I don't have anything further to contribute.

>mfw still no official TV announcement

have you ever found a woman that does not think that man are not capable and stupid?

Also the one 'ye wanderer for the win, with his poky spear of death.

Egwene never bothered me much. But Perrin was the bane of my reading experience. Fucking wolf dream was so boring.

He was ok till the faile+angst. Egwene wasn't terrible, but her "I know better than everyone, You should respect me because I'm the amyrlin (even though I got the position as a joke)" attitude really pissed me off some times.

Well she needed to hammer it in because her position was weak.

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More of a hindu fag

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That isn't switched though, thats pretty much the doting mother/schoolgirl stereotypes ramped up to 11

I don't get the acclaim for WoT. I'm five books in and just doesn't seem that great. The characters range from uninteresting to infuriatingly annoying, the romantic plots are just awfully handled, and the writing itself seems repetitive. I'm tired of being reminded in great detail how super awesome/terrible channeling the one power is and of hearing how Lan's color shifting cloak makes him look like a floating head. And the fucking women. Like gossiping schoolgirls, always babbling some shit about how silly men are, while proving themselves awful human beings with their incessant bickering

I guess it's just not for you

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Its weird, David Eddings has roughly the same problems and i love his books, but Wot was sorta meh for me

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>Is Robert Jordan a weeaboo?
Yep. His obsession with the thousand folded katana as the greatest sword ever and a take on Hollywood Samurai culture in most of the badass groups would suggest as much.

He also had a Pillar Man as one of the minor antagonists, so I wouldn't be shocked if he enjoyed a bit of manga.

I agree with other anons that think WoT would make a better anime than live action show. The magic system alone would translate better into animation, showing the weaves and other things like that.

The heron swords were never powerful though. They were just symbols. So no obsession over thousand folds. I don't even recall the forging process mentioned.

The first book goes into a long rant about how the design of the heron swords is superior to the 'clumsy, heavy, doubled edged broad swords'. And the 'thousand fold katana' is clearly what Jordan was emulating by the design and ability of the power forged heron marked swords.

Fairly standard fare for a weapon that is worthy an explicit mention in a fantasy story, of course the stuff of the protagonist is better than your rank and file stuff. He wasn't being excessive. Any elven work item in other fantasy gets as much.

I don't see how you're disputing Jordan being weeb as fuck. He picked the Japanese aesthetic and lauded as superior for a reason.

You might have a different definition or threshold of weeaboo.

I think the required severity isn't given. Simply describing one thing as better than the other doesn't cut it.
If he had described Broadswords as superior weapons to the alternatives in setting it would be westaboo by that metric.
One thing can always be better than another simply by virtue of things being different. I think he freed himself enough from japan and doesn't wank it. It is just Japanese aesthetic plugged in one spot.

The heron marked blades weren't seanchan though, they were forged with the one power in the age of legends. Also the one culture with asian aesthetic were unambiguous badguys and were founded by king arthur.

>I think he freed himself enough from japan and doesn't wank it.
The entire warder culture is based on bushido, and the majority of the borderlands is based on Japan. The Aiel have a similar code to bushido as well.

The Malkier and Shainar also have strong Japanese aesthetics, and the Aiel and Warder code of conduct draws from bushido.

The Seanchan are based on Imperial China, not Japan.

>The Malkier and Shainar also have strong Japanese aesthetics
Care to elaborate?
>the Aiel and Warder code of conduct draws from bushido.
Bushido isn't the only code of honor, chivalry for instance.
>The Seanchan are based on Imperial China, not Japan.
Elaborate, also I said aesthetic i.e. similar style.

Where do you think ridiculous anime bullshit originated from?

>The entire warder culture is based on bushido
not european knights and vassels?
>Aiel have a similar code to bushido as well.
w all know aiel are based on Dune which in turn are based on arabs.

Warder code of conduct is basically "guard Aes Sedai with your life". That is hardly a philosophy so straight forward is the notion, let alone exclusive to bushido.

> chivalry for instance
>not european knights and vassels?
Not at all, particularly the warrior culture of subservience to a lord is very different from the European vassalage system. Nothing in any code of chivalry demands the kind of subservience to authority that bushido or the bushido-esque code found in WoT does.

Add to the fact Carheinan wear literal back-banners similar to the Japanese Samurai and that's another weeb point.

There's a bit of Dune in the Aiel, but there's also Zulu and again, Samurai culture there as well.

Japanese stuff is so deeply wound into WoT don't see how you guys are able to argue against it. Jordan was never shy about his influences.

Jordan lifts almost direct quotes on bushido and Samurai history during the White Tower warder scenes. The whole 'I die before my Aes Sedai' is deliberately drawing on the supposed fanatical loyalty Samurai had for their masters.

There's a shit load of visual and cultural stuff drawn from Japanese history (or the distortion of it Jordan was probably more familiar with)

Furthermore, there is no conflict between a weeaboo faction and a non-weeaboo faction in the book in wich weeaboos would demonstrate their superiority. All asian elements are dispersed across factions.

He dismisses the non-Weeb stuff in pretty much the first chapter as being 'crude and ineffecient chump stuff'. If anything that makes him a triple-weeb. Everyone uses a katana if they use a sword (because why wouldn't you? They're the best), everyone has some splash of Japan in their outlook and culture.

I don't have a problem with it, I just think its weird Veeky Forums won't accept that Jordan was a bit of a weeaboo.

>Carheinan
ok now you are shiting me. Carheinan = franch, andor= britain. no, i don't care andor is inland.

A France that wears back-banners and have other strong Japanese imagery. They have a renamed version of 'mon'.

Veeky Forums likes him and hates weebs, so clearly the two cant be the same

Are you guys seriously arguing about bushido and chivalry as though they were real things(well, real things properly related to honour and such)? Theyre both essentially things that were applied to events retroactively to keep the nobles from looking like murdering assholes.

Yes, I know that, but Jordan didn't necessarily know that. He was from the pre-Internet age. It doesn't matter about the objective facts of bushido and chivalry, only how Jordan was most likely familiar with them.

you can say 'all the swords are katana so he is a weeb', but you can't say 'his franch have a little side-influance to not be completly france so he is a weeb'. theres a differeance in volume.

The fact that its in so many places that its essentially everywhere increases the weeaboo, not diminishes it.

Again, I have no problem with the weeb aspects of WoT. I consider it a defining trait, if anything, and I like WoT. I just find it funny how aggressively you guys are trying to dismiss it.

we were starting out at
>weeb as fuck

A little bit I can reasonably concede, but for me weeaboo still denotes are more heavy negative thing, not a bit of nerd appreciation.
And he doesn't dismiss non-weeb stuff. He has Genoese crossbows, English longbows and canons wrecking shit. The awesomeness of Heron blades is by virtue of magic not intrinsic value and they aren't alone in that (Perrins hammer). Only heron blades are explicitly not!katanas and that doesn't preclude other weapons from being used with similar effectiveness.

It's real enough in that somebody wrote the thing and it's a warrior code. Seems applicable.

>Only heron blades are explicitly not!katanas
That's not true, the majority of Warders and Borderlanders use notKatanas and most of those aren't heron marked or power forged. Remember, not every heron marked blade is a power forged one.

Mat also uses a naginata.

We would actually need to be able to see the One and True power's weaves since so much actual story is invested on how they work and how visible they are. We need to be able to get a sense of how the Aes Sedai/Warders and the like can sense things, dream states, foretelling, the Taint etc etc. There's way too much shit that is felt or sensed that would be difficult to transfer to a screen methinks. I don't like anime all that much but I agree that's probably the most effective way to transfer the books to tv or film.

what about non-anime cartoon?

Actually the most infuriating thing for me for all the characters was their sense of their own importance. "Hurr I'm the queen/amyrlin/empress/etc and the literal saviour of all mankind, the most powerful person to ever live directly reborn in front of me should realize how insignificant he is in my presence". It would be like the mayor of some village in Somalia being pissed that the literal second coming of Jesus isn't listening to what he has to say.

I might have forgotten that. I kind of filed most stuff under "this individual guy has this"

I never got the impression that all swords were katanas. Would be unreasonable for a whole subcontinent. Let's be honest, mostly it is just "swords" and multiple styles were established to exist beforehand. So it's ultimatively up to the reader what to imagine.

That's just part of Jordan's "women are bitches" motif

And Perrin uses a warhammer, the Saldeans use sabers/scimitars, the Children of the Light are clearly some type of Templars, the Warders may be bushido types but the Aes Sedai are supposed to be the Catholic Church. The most respectable and powerful kingdom is an England stand-in, and the main Japanese culture stand-in is a shadow influenced fascist police state. There's no question that he likes Eastern culture specifically Japanese but he definitely borrowed his imagery and themes from a thousand different sources and seemed pretty fair at spreading them out evenly.

>everything is japanese if I stretch hard enough
No doubt he took inspiration from Japan, but if you believe that he took inspiration from there any more than anywhere else you're being intellectually dishonest.

Possible, but would be difficult to capture the right kind of style I think. I feel animation either way is the best way to get this across, but since so much in it is so surreal and hard to visualize Anime style is probably gonna be better at conveying the more abstract stuff.

Believing something wrong isn't being dishonest. That would be willfully misrepresenting something you know better.

If western animation wasn't so dead maybe. But Anime would fuck up too.

that mottif was almost as strong as the 'men are woolheads' motif.

>western animation is dead
im sorry?

Did men actually behave like it though, or was that just something the women like to project onto them?

Well, you know about all the other real world cultures he takes inspiration from and the ratio at which they appear compared to the Japanese ones. I suppose it could be due to your definition of weaboo being someone who has a positive view on anything from or based on japan.
There are quite a few instances of men making boneheaded mistakes because of pride.

>the women like to project onto them?
>women thinks men are woolheads
and men think they will never understand women, and leave it at that without even trying.

Well, relatively speaking. I sure as hell don't want Pixar or Dreamworks Wheel of Time.

I think you mean another user. Cause I didn't define it that way.

I'd say overly positive to a cultish degree, coupled with a compulsion to inject and preach that positive view. But it's one of these wobbly internet terms.

>Pixar or Dreamworks
dude, im weeaboo as they come but even i know /co/ exists

Ok I was being egocentric and ignored stuff that hasn't catered to my tastes in a decade. And I couldn't name cartoon producers.

I remember dropping WoT somewhere around Book 4/5. I was so busy at the time and it was starting to get dull. I think I'm glad I did, since I hear Sanderson really shit the bed when he tried wrapping everything up.

Does Veeky Forums have any recommended newer books? I need to read some more fantasy for inspiration, but everything I pick up that's newer just seems like more of the same old shit trying to cash in on Game of Thrones. It's a shame Swordy and Sorcery is dead as a genre, or rather that modern readers/writers seem to think all Fantasy falls under Sword and Sorcery.

There are stories of women telling Robert Jordan that he did a very realistic job of portraying women in Wheel of Time.

Granted, that was before the rise of the current SJW crowd, so who knows what reactions will be now?

try anime.
not kidding.
re:zero.
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outbreak company.
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(Enchantress from the stars)
(try it)

I see more examples of foolish pride from female characters, especially Nynaeve amd Faile

Noble dead saga

Sanderson was actually a huge improvement in quality at the end. Robert Jordan really hits his stride of absolute shit around book 7

Faile is worst WoT, but Nynaeve had a good standing in her sociaty from a young age, its understandable that she will become snobish

This thread isn't Veeky Forums related.
lets make Veeky Forums related.

lets post our characters for WoT tabeltop!

I haven't read any high fantasy (empires, the end of the world, extremely powerful protagonist, etc) in quite a while.

But if you're just looking for good fantasy in general there are some excellent lesser-known books out there:

Name of the Wind series, this is probably my favorite book actually. Which is not something I say lightly, it's written absolutely beautifully.

The Lies of Locke Lamora: Thief-fantasy. There are three books out in the series now and it's actually going downhill, but the first book is so great and the subsequent ones are good enough that it's worth starting.

The Assassin's Apprentice: I get a lot of disagreement about this one for a lot of different reasons. One friend read the whole thing and refused to read more because it was too depressing for her. Another hated that it doesn't follow the standard heroes' journey. I'm not a fan of sadness but both of those things were plusses for me; I think it's really well written and bucks the trends of standard fantasy very well.

>lesser-known books
>Name of the Wind
That's a popular series and regularly makes top fantasy books lists

That said, fuck Kvothe and his stupid name

did anybody besides wotc do a wheel of time rpg?

not that i know off, but i guess you can use other fantasy based tabletops to recreate wot.

I enjoy the books, but man, fuck Kvothe, and fuck his unbelievable abiity to massively fuck up, repeatedly, for stupid-ass reasons and yet still come out of it somehow better off when all is said and done

Jordan's problems with books 7 through to like 10 or 11 was that he was trying to show the Light losing the war from a meta perspective. Basically shit all happens, characters move around and do nothing, and the world just keeps getting shittier the whole time on purpose to demonstrate how close the Shadow was to actually winning.

The problem was that he didn't actually do enough to demonstrate how dire the situation was, but instead spent too much time trying to be subtle about it. Not to mention actually making the books slow is a hell of a gamble and cost him a lot of readers who simply ran out of patience for such a tactic.

I've always appreciated the attempt I guess, and liked the series enough to continue and still love it, but I always get bored reading large segments of those books and wish that he had simply gone a bit more GRRM and had a bunch of primary or secondary characters get killed to keep the tension up and various misfortunes to show the state of affairs.

I've been enjoying the black company series.

I'm on the last book and at no point has it ever described the style of swords the warders use. In fact, it has barely described the shape of any of the swords other than specifying that Bashir(sp?) and his men use sabres.

Faile was one of the highest noble daughters of her nation. It's pretty reasonable that she would act as she does.


Most of the complaints I'm seeing here are of characters that act in annoying ways and do stupid things. I like that. It's realistic, people do stupid shit because they don't know the whole story and get over-confident. All of the characters are flawed and that isn't a bad thing.

please. faile kiled her aiel shield by stabbing him in the back. she is a bitch. this is beyond conniving and arrogant; this is darkfriend-tier dick move.

Joe Abercrombie. To quote a friend I introduced to him. "After reading Abercrombie other fantasy just isn't as good." It spoils you.