His only crime was trying to do the right thing

>you know how Leman Russ and Magnus absolutely fucking hate each other
>yeah
>we should send Leman to arrest Mangus, what could possibly go wrong?

>Horus was a dick to altering Russ's orders to further drive a wedge between the empire's forces
ftfy

Crashing Prospero with no survivors?

His crime was the same as his father's, being too much of a proud idiot to take a step back and listen to people telling him when to stop.
Like father, like son, I'm surprised ol' Emps didn't slap him on the back and go "I'm proud of you boy!"

>Russ being a complete fucking faggot, like usual
What else is new?

>making contracts with deamons
no.

In a way he was actually the closest to his Father in terms of personality
He was still fucking cool though, not saying he did nothing wrong.

To be fair, Horus is very convincing and charismatic. He is the Warmaster afterall, and inherited his father's amazing persuasiveness.
With the already existing animosity between the 1kNerds and the SpessYiffs, it was easy for Horus to goad him into surrenduring into his bloodlust. Heck, I wouldn't have been surprised of Horus hoped to make both of them fall to chaos, with Magnus to Tzeentch and Russ to Khorne.

The Wolf Priests do it, yet no one harasses them about it.

He wasn't nearly as autistic though. Actually he seemed pretty nice towards his sons.
I don't think even Pert, Dorn or the Lion come close to Emp's autism levels

Space Wolves should have been put down, GW needs to stop sucking their dicks

Can you go more in depth to how Magnus is most similar to the Emperor in general personality? As for I know each Primarch represents a particular emotion of the Emperor such as Fulgrim and vanity or Vulkan and kindness.

All the bitches wanna get K N O T T E D.

How can other legions compete?

You wish your boyfriend looked like this, gayboy

...

He looks like an Aztec Lu Bu

Actually gave me a chuckle

Well, Magnus was an idealist, his Homeworld is a great example of this/
Magnus created a homeworld that was effectively a paradise for Psykers, they were able to hone their powers in peace and learn and evolve in their own time. He looked at the people of his world and pushed them to be more, to evolve and become greater as a whole.
Isn't this kinda similar to the Emperor's idea for humanity? Emps wants humanity to become better, to rise above chaos and the other inhabitants of the galaxy because he believes in them, just like Magnus believed in his people.

One word.
Salamanders.

Magnus made some dumb and prideful mistakes, but ultimately he was a victim, and suffered for his bad decisions and ignorance as he was played left and right by both his enemies and his closest friends. Though even to the end, he still tried to do what was best, whether it was initially letting the wolves come for him, or stepping up to protect the civilian citizens of his home.

Now Ahriman, on the other hand, was the one who fucked everything over. He had the perfect opportunity to communicate to Wyrmdrake, tell them of Horus's treachery, and save his planet and legion. and what does he do?
>"Fuck you Othere, you cucked me on Nikea you hypocrite, so Imma zap your soul to the Warp!"
Ahriman was the one who truly doomed the Sons, and lost the Empire one of its most powerful legions, out of spite that his boyfriend dumped him.

Azhek Ahriman did EVERYTHING wrong!

>As for I know each Primarch represents a particular emotion of the Emperor such as Fulgrim and vanity or Vulkan and kindness.
And the Lion and being a fucking asshole?

>hey dude don't use sorcery and make pacts with beings from beyond
>yeah okay
>HEY EMPEROR MY SORCEROUS RITUAL HAS DETERMINED THAT YOUR TRUSTED WARMASTER WILL BETRAY YOU IN THE FUTURE PLEASE TRUST MY MESSAGE SENT DIRECTLY TO YOUR BRAIN WITH SORCERY INSTEAD OF DELIVERED CONVENTIONALLY
what was he fucking expecting

>Ahriman being the villain
Huh, where did that come from? Aside from him being a kinda saturday morning cartoon villain in 40k, in 30k he was pretty based. Although it may have been better if he had communicated that whole rubric business to Magnus before literally unleashing anti-hell

That and being all secret.

Blasting Space Wolves should be standard operating procedure

Nah, that's Alpharius. Lion is just a dick.

>Alpharius
>secret
I get the feeling secret just won't cut it here

That, and being arrogant enough to give Big E a run for his money.

That'd be Fulgrim, Horus and Guilliman

Jojo face...

>Huh, where did that come from?
It came from 5 sources:
>1
The hopelessness and loss of losing both his biological brother and battle brother being lost to the fleshchange
>2
Spending too much time around Erebus during his secondship to the Word Bearers
>3
being completely filled with sorrow, bitterness, and spite against Othere Wyrmdrake betraying his trust and friendship at Nikea
>4
Feeling betrayed by the Emperor's decision at Nikea, especially considering that he was one of the first supporters of the Emperor on Terra, one of the first Terran born Space Marines, and had served under him directly as the leader of the 1kSons Legion before they found Magnus on Prospero, and the feeling that Emps not only betrayed him and his brothers, but also the very precepts and ideals upon which he was led.
>5)
His disgust and anger towards Magnus both when Magnus refused to defend the planet from the Wolves, and when he pulled them all to the Warp where everyone was suddenly ravaged once again by the Flesh Change that already took much from him

Basically, after that conga line of trauma, Ahriman has been left a shell of his formal self, completely filled with nothing but disdain, spite, and distrust for all he once knew and cursing him with crippling paranoia that just pushes everyone one he once knew away.

Basically he's a barley functional human being anymore, and is only being fueled by his own spite towards the universe and desire to find the Black Library so he can fight back against the cruel Fates and Gods that trifled with him so. Hence why he himself, despite being a Chaos Champion, is very organized and seems to actively despise working with the forces of Chaos at all.

Basically, he finally reached "Fuck it"

and of course after typing all that, I forgot my pic

No no, I understand how he became the villain he is in 40k, although compared to most of the other villains he seems like a pretty chill dude, as long as you don't own any relics connected to the black library or the works of Magnus. I was wondering why you'd see him as the one to blame for the Thousand Sons' fall.

He just needed someone to love him I do, then none of the bullshit would've happened.

...and tiny head.

>I was wondering why you'd see him as the one to blame for the Thousand Sons' fall.
Because he had right in his hands the perfect opportunity to fix everything. And he squandered it.
He could've followed Magnus's orders to not engage the Wolves, but he did so anyway.
He could've tried to contact Othere earlier and tell him that something was wrong, but instead he lead the charge.
When he had Othere in his mental mindlink grasp, and showed him the truth, he could've let him go and the whole problem wouldve been solved in scant minutes, but he refused to do so and instead murdered the only chance he had of ending the bloodshed.

He was a fool who had the solution to everything in his grasp, and he threw it away and did nothing but make things worse WILLINGLY despite knowing full well that he was choosing the worse of his choices. And why? Pure spite and malice.
He ruined everything, he knew he ruined everything, and he didn't care. That's why he's the villain, and why he's to blamefor the fall of the Sons.

Its not like he was a social outcast like Konrad Kurze. He was on good terms with Perturabo, Sanguinius, Jaghatai Khan and I believe Lorgar as well. Only Russ and Mortarian had any real animosity towards Magnus.

I want to like the Thousand Sons so badly but I've always hated most depictions of Magnus. He usually looks like a dumb, mutated and monstrous colossus that's at odds with his apparently scholarly, sorcerous personality.

I've never read any of the HH books with him in them though and honestly know little about him. Does he seem alright in them? One of the less fucked up Primarchs at least?

>He ruined everything, he knew he ruined everything, and he didn't care.
I wouldn't go that far. He was mearly pissing in an ocean of piss at that point. There's no way someone like Russ would have left without shedding blood, even if the Sons hadn't engaged them

>There's no way someone like Russ would have left without shedding blood, even if the Sons hadn't engaged them
He would've listened to Wormdrake at least, especially since he always deferred to Wormdrake on all things magical and mystical, as well as on the whole Nikea affair

...I meant Konrad, dickwad.

...

Fuck off heretic

The wolf priests literally conjure and bind Daemons masquerading as "Nature Spirits" bub. They're no different than the Tutelary spirits that the Sons used to summon and bind

t. Leman "totally not an unstable psychic mess" Russ

Don't think Corax, Fulgrim, Alpharius and Gulliman were all that crazy about Magnus either

>Every Magnus/Russ thread

>Some Manchild whines that Magnus and his team of sorcerors were dicking around with Sorcery
>Then whines the Space Yiffs offed them
>Then whines Rune Priests existed.

Here, I will help the 1k sons faggots with their own fluff.

Sorcery is the study of the RAW POWERS OF CHAOS.

Rune Priests study Rune magic, that is earthed and much less chaotic.

Why do you think Eldar use runes? Why are Psychic hoods covered in Runes?

Why is Magnus literally reading out of a book with a big floaty ghost?

Because Sorcery is the most dangerous of the psyker arts.

It's like Wyrdmake (or Helwinter, I forgot which) said, the Wolves know what they're doing. It's why they are sanctioned to do so, they know the limits of what to do and what not to do. The Thousand Sons didn't have limits, they kept pushing past the point of no return

Corax as fine with him I think, a little unsettled but hardly bearing animosity.
Alpharius we will probably never know, seeing how little we know of him.
The others yeah, probably weren't too keen.

>the Wolves know what they're doing
Funnily enough, their primarch didn't and was completely unable to control his nascent psychic ability

>totally not an unstable psychic mess

How is Russ an unstable psychic mess? That would be Lorgar or Magnus senpai

TRANSEXUAL SONS BTFO. LITERALLY PROSPERO 2.0

Well, not all Spirits are Daemons bub.

Otherwise do Exodites throw their souls into a big "World-Daemon"?

Russ being a Psyker is stupid and never shows up in actual fluff.

You do realise that basically any warp based entity is a Daemon right? The literal definition of something that is a warp entity is a Daemon.

>Alpharius we will probably never know, seeing how little we know of him.

We know that Magnus refused to fight alongside the Alpha Legion, yet not the reasons why. I'm sure Magnus was afraid that the AL would discover what Magnus and his legion were all about

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

He did manifest quite a bit of psychic power in A Thousand Sons, with his tard sream during his battle with Magnus

I guess if you use the terminus of the term.

The difference is, the Nature Spirits Rune Priests bind are evidently not the same Chaotic Spirits the Thousand Sons dabbled in.

Probably something like the Dryads in Fantasy were magical creatures, but not chaotic.

At the end of the day, this could be why the Rune Priests were kept while the 1k Sons sorcerers were damned.

Emperor isn't bothered by a few benign nature spirits compared to chaos Daemons.

I assume all Primarch's have some air of Psyker power, but nothing on the level of an unsanctioned psyker.

They probably just have exceptionally bright souls.

I would say it's probably a mixture of distrust and the fear you mentioned, Magnus liked to know things so it's understandable that he didn't want to fight alongside a legion that was based in secrecy.

The Wolves are the perfect counter to Chaos and the Thousand Sons. Rather than succumb to chaos' taint they wolf out and turn into Wulfen. While they mutate, they still remain sane as evidenced by the 13th company returning after 10000 years in the warp kicking daemon ass. It's also why they got to keep Rune Priests when the other legions had to disband their librarians. The Emperor planned this when he designed Russ and his gene seed, probably why the SW, Salamanders and Alpha Legion's gene seeds and Primarchs were all developed separately and in even more secret than the others. They had a secret purpose to serve.

Don't radical inquisitors usually try to bond daemons and use them for their own righteous schemes?

[Triggered Mortarion intensifies]

He managed to cancel out Magnus, who's widely regarded as number two after Big E in psychic power, after he drank the demon juice, so I'd imagine he has a little more than an "air of psychic power"

It's Ironic but Space Wolves might have been the most Vanilla faction if we removed their Viking/wolf shit.

>Semi-Stable geneseed that just sort of turns them into hairy thunder warriors if in the warp
>Good at range but not over specialised
>Good at Stealth but not over specialised
>Good and Melee but not over specialised.
>Can be pretty diplomatic

[Space Wolfves dicksucking intensifies]

That could easily be Magnus fucking up again like he always does.

A sudden Psychic backlash from a Pent up Primarch probably caught him off guard.

Either way, I supposed it's to make Russ more of an Odin Analogue. But it came off as un-natural.

Maybe if he practiced the runes in secret.

I'd honestly like some more fluff explaining the rune magic.

Maybe Fenris has a World-Spirit?

All Primarchs were psychic to a degree. Morty displaying his powers sent him over the edge. Corax could go invisible from eyes but not machines. Lorgar had very powerful but unstable powers. Russ was able to shrug off psychic attacks that would level city blocks. Lion was able to detect warp fluxs. Alpharius could body swap with his marines. Fulgrim/demon possessing him took down a titan etc etc

Literally the Ultramarines, sans the first point.

As far as I recall the Emperor hated all warp based entities.
I'm not saying "hurr durr the thousand sons and magnus did nothing wrong" because the whole point of their story is to be tragic, but honestly the fact that the Space Yiffs were allowed to continue practicing their Rune priest shit after the council of Nikea was a pretty large oversight in terms of the fluff.
Emps made it clear that he didn't like any warp fuckery, Rune fuckery is still warp fuckery.
Additionally there are no benevolent warp creatures, as the whole reason the warp is the warp is because chaos warp entities either corrupt or destroy anything that's not chaos.

So Ultramarines +1.

Super Ultramarines.

Yeah, but as stated before, to take down the number two psyker in the whole galaxy, after he's been powered up even further by evil space magic, you'd have to be pretty psychic yourself. Just look at what Magnus and the chief librarians did to the Space Wolves after they went on a rampage and Russ managed to cancel that out.

The Emperor was never totally Anti-Warp things.

He was Anti-Chaos, Which is why he wasn't super against Eldar or why I'm pretty sure the Emperor was contacted by the Laughing God.

I like the idea of Minor nature spirits, living in the material world as Stone, Tree and Lightning, hiding in the skin of reality like the Webway.

It adds more depth with things not falling into the pathetic binary that is chaos.

If you pushed any of the Primarchs to that depth they would probably muster the same strength.

Except that the Ultramarines are better.

Ohai don't mind me
Just a stealthy primarch doing sneaky things

The best way to explain it I guess is with a Berserk analogy.

Magnus was fucking about with Behelits and the God Hand while Russ was dancing around with faeries and good witches.

They're both magical creatures that dwell on the edge of the otherworld that is majority a dangerous place full of evil. But Russ lucked out finding the nicer ones.

>The best way to explain it I guess is with a Berserk analogy
Fuck right off

what did he mean by this

Why? It sums everything up perfectly.

The otherworld is a world made of magic that is mostly full of overwordly horros and terrible godly beings.

But there are a few magical beings that are not evil and these are mostly nature spirits.

Don't remove the Viking theme since that's one of the things that makes them unique and interesting. Just stop calling everything wolf.

Can we get a list of the primarchs who ruined everything?

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>Magnus
>Russ
>Lorgar
>Horus (sort of)
It's these chucklefucks. If any of these fuckheads didn't go full retard the heresy would never have gone down so poorly for the Imperium

Don't forget E-money

The ruining of everything was 99% on Erebus and Kor Phaeron and they're not even primarchs

Well if we're going to include non-primarchs I'd like to nominate whatever faghead Necron decided it would be a good idea to give boundlessly powerful star gods a mortal form, as well as whomever was the leader of the eldar that didn't listen to the farseers about Slaanesh's imminent birth

>No Angron
>No Lion

Missing a few there.

>His only crime was trying to do the right thing in an incredibly stupid way

>His only crime was trying to be the best there ever was in an incredibly stupid way

Incidentally, this describes every Traitor Primarch and a few loyal ones.

Russ did nothing wrong. Stop being a Magnus appologist. Just look how Magnus is dressed, hes clearly evil and corrupt

I actually can't tell if you're a really sad Russfag or just baiting
Either way here's your (You)

>make a valid and correct point

HURR HES A BAITING RUSSFAG DURR

>Russ did nothing wrong
>not bait

Bro... there is literally a spirit flying out of Magnus' book in OP's pic.