Imperial Navy

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Switching it up with some SM ships.

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So just how big is the imperial navy?

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We never get exact numbers, but they're real big, like the IG but with fleets instead of regiments big.

A primitive planet build a lunar cruiser in 11 years. If every planet could do that once the IN would be billions of cruisers.
So it's very large.

ok doing head math and rough calculations they must have a billion ships at the very least

As I recall they 'sacrificed' the resources as a tithe, it was built off world with what they mined and I'm not sure they were the only planet involved. When they were done the guy in charge told them the Emperor had rewarded their labor with a new star in the heavens.

Sounds about right.

And just that's using primitive worlds taking into account other factors.
>More developed worlds.
>Planets dedicated to ship production.
>That massive shipyard around Mars.
The number goes up even more.

Ah, the ring of iron.
They're underrated man.

Yea that thing looks like it could probably build several hundred cruisers at one time while serving as a Trade port and repair dock for maybe hundreds more.

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what are some of the run of the mill ships in the imperium that do trading and what not?

They're harder to track down than an eversor attack survivor.

Rouge traders handle that stuff and I think they sometimes get stuff from offical shipyards

>tfw your escort bros survive the battle

While Rogue Trader houses indeed do a lot of trade inside the boundaries of the Imperium, their main function lies in pushing these boundaries.

The chartist captains are a significantly larger part of the Imperial trade.

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Postin muh flagship.

I never understood why the don't use multiple ranks of macrocannons instead of a single one. Espeically when theguns are so small compared to the ship.

>"And we will build the new macrofactoria right here. This way the entire continent will look like a giant skull from orbit"
>"Of course, fabricator general. How brilliant"

I love the old-school Imperial Navy aesthetic / current Chaos aesthetic with its broad sterns and dagger or (slightly smaller and lower than the current) ploughshare prows.

Would you happen to have the source of where that first pic is from? I don't think I've seen it before.

When did the transformers infiltrate the 40k verse?

Source: one of the horus heresy books, I think.

>I never understood why the don't use multiple ranks of macrocannons
Some do.

Iirc, it should be vast, but their numbers are always stupidly low. Like, less than three hundred ships in a segmentum battlefleet.

Chartist vessels.

>Would you happen to have the source of where that first pic is from?
Afraid not.

Gloriana's are just stupidly huge, I love them

Look on lexicanum, merchant and civil fleets - they actually make up 90% of imperial shipping

They include things like this

I agree.

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BL should release a collection of short stories, each one detailing the last moments of the Legion flagships.
That would be pretty sweet imo.

Some of them are still around.

Which ones? Spoonfeed me pls

Macragges Honor for one.

Vengeful Spirit, Conqueror, Macragge's Honour are confirmed.

Allegedly, Amphion the Gloriana gifted to the Imperial army was is still banging around in and out of warp.

I'd bet it only gets deployed outside of Ultramar when the vast majority of the chapter is hitting a single target - it's too big, and too valuable in defending the chapter's home systems, to see much use

That said, could you imagine being in the opposition's void command when a Gloriana appears on your screen?
Nothing quite say's "you're fucked m8" like a ship that's more than twice the size of an Emperor Battleship

it's tough and big but doesn't have all that much more firepower compared to an Emperor Class Battleship.

Not necessarily, the Glorianas were built before the restrictions were placed on astartes vessels, by all means they are full fledged battleships and larger than the usual imperial vessels in the 41st M, however they were built according to the specifications of the Primarchs so their capabilities vary.

>restriction of the astartes vessels

What is this the washington treaty?

Probobly part of the codex Astartus

God fucking damnit roboute.

>Probably part of the Codex Astartes
Fuckin Rowboat Girlyman

Sort of, during the heresy there was a big difference between the ships crewed by humans and the ones crewed by astartes, so during the breakup the navy wanted to put a handy cap on astartes vessels, some not wanting them to have ships at all, a compromise was reached in which the astartes could maintain a fleet but not one specializing in void combat, so the marines designed their ships to specialize in planetary assault, lots of armor, limited shields, bombardment cannons, and if they want a ship with lances they have to get express permission from the navy per each lance, the end result are some seriously potent vessels but they shine better for an intended purpose, this ensures the astartes can do their job and the navy can do theirs, checks and balances are achieved.

It's meant to gimp the Space Marine Chapters so they can't overpower the Imperial Navy.

Gloriana Class vessels are a relic from a time when the Astartes had the very best equipment available, post Codex Astartes Chapters have limitations on which Naval Vessels they can use. For example no pure combat vessels above frigate size.

While now the Imperial Navy has the very best equipment available.

One last tiny detail, space marine vessels can only be crewed by about 50-40% astartes.

he had to make sure the newly found Naval Service had the undivided attention of the Imperiums space docks.

Just don't forget to take into account that, like with the Codex Astartes in general, there are exceptions to the rule.

The Dark Hunters for example have a Gothic cruiser as their Chapter flagship (or maybe just a line ship, I forget). The Charcharadons, being a Heresy-era breakaway with ten thousand years of raiding in the interim, also have the overwhelming majority of their Chapter fleet composed of regular IN vessels, many of which are now the last survivors of their class because the Spess Sharks are the galaxy's greatest handymen.

So fucking using this for my dudes.

>captain takes vessel
>wants to keep vessel they boarded in orbit for the chapter
>Chapter master replies they can't keep it the reason it's a void combat vessel
>We can retrofit it
>Nah please scuttle it
>Instead changes its coarse and flings it at the traitor hive city annihilating it.

Sweet. Thanks guys.

The black fleet, does it use the same ships as the imperial navy just rigged to carry psykers or what?

From what I see they look very similar, and they're fuckhuge

I imagine theyre designed to contain the psykers and move them to proper facilities as their primary focus

I don't think they have to give back loot, just that they aren't issued any Navy ships like Cruisers and bigger.

Ohh... fuck my bad everyone.

Eh, could still be done - if there's a resource or corruption reason (or even a petty one like some jumped up administratum lord saying they shouldn't have it and should hand it over to him) it's still totally a thing a chapter might do, unless the ship's a relic

Not so loud, the Mechanicus will hear you!

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Does the Imperial Navy perform surface naval duties? Seems a bit odd that PDFs would be entrusted with expensive surface and submersible vessels, especially on water-heavy planets.

>Expensive
Oh come now, they are just pieces of metal floating in the planetary ocean, they don't even need shit like warp engines or gellar fields.
Hell, id be surprised if they even had void shields on them.

PDF would be entrusted with their local naval (both sea and space) forces. They are entrusted with the system monitor fleet after all.

I'm not sure IG/IN care too much abot water fleets. They can always shoot ships/deploy infantry from space and there is no need to move goods by sea if you can do from the air.

90% of those symbols would hold absolutely no meaning, let alone sentimental value, to people 400 centuries from now

Ah yeah I remember the very alien imperial mindset with their officers not clad in 18th century british inspired parade uniforms.

Symbols have a far longer shelf-life than the objects they represent.

Just look at how much naval terminology and symbolism is drawn from items and techniques that have been out of fashion since the Age of Sail, or the sheer amount of nautical superstition that's alive and well.

If you want examples closer to home, just look at your average word processor or forum post UI. Floppy disks haven't been in widespread use for decades, but that'll likely remain *the* symbol for "Save" in the foreseeable future. Ditto for "carbon copy" in emails. How many people even know what that is?

just got my shit kicked in by AI tau.

why are they so OP

Wat faction you playing and what difficulty?

I don't want to be a complete cunt, but you are throwing up examples which are centuries old at best.
40k is a setting which is from our point in time, chronologically further away than the first fucking human record (read first fucking cave painting)
What do you know about people who crawled out of the last Ice age ~12,000 years ago? What the fuck do you know of people who lived 30,000 years before them?
If you have a degree in history or paleontology, you might dish something out, but otherwise, probably that they wore furs and painted shit on the cave walls.
And now count in the generally agreed on state of the Imperium, where your average person doesn't have a sliver of the formal education compared to people in today's developed countries.
Greek myth was pretty much fucking actual history few hundred years ago.
A person 40 millennia from now will have no fucking clue wha'ts a trident, especially after shit like Age of Strife, where most of the human historical record was destroyed.

You what mate?

This is correct, they basically dropped metal into a designated area as religious tribute and the Imperium collected it.

That does give the PDF potentially a niche where it does not suck balls at in compared to every other branch of the Imperium - underwater warfare, where as the owner of the majority of the Imperium's submarines, they have the unique capability to both engage horrors such as marine tyranids, orc submarines, and chaos fish, as well as strike land targets from the safety of the sea. The only competition they'd be facing would be in the Space Marines, who would probably serve more as support than an complete overlap in roles, given that few Space Marine chapters have dedicated vehicles for going into especially low depths but are likewise equipped with naturally pressurized suits which can allow them to fight underwater at-will.

Cadia is mostly water, isn't it? You'd think they'd go on more about the naval aspect of the conflict which occurs on it - perhaps some IN captains even started as PDF officers?

The problem is the typical creativity schizophrenia in 40k.

One one paragraph they tell you the ministorum has thousands of different catethims that can barely be considered the same thing. On the other every priest is portrayed as a mix of medieval orthodox bishop.

It is a futuristic galaxy wide society but the only music that exists is fake hollywood epic gregorian chants.

The Emperor used the very same imagery as 30k year old italians for some reason.

>Perty has a tiny wiener.jpg

arguably, he's also the most sensible voidship designer in the entire setting

Is it still canon that the imperial navy really is the only thing actually halting the tyranid swarms since their ships are so op while the tyranids got literal space turds?

It's more that the imperial fleet is so goddam massive they managed to create a battling across a large part of the galactic east

it's probably a combination of the two
Imperial Navy has a fuckload of ships and in absence of imperial worlds they can also nuke bioships with impunity

Also they can go postal with their warp drives and rip a new hole to demonmension in the middle of the tyrannid fleet to fuck them six ways to sunday.
It's how Macragge was saved.

Yea that's how they defeated behemoth
Kraken because of how spread out it was required a massive quarantine across the eastern segmentum

There's a way to calculate very roughly how many capital ships it has.

It says in the original BFG that an Imperial Navy battlefleet has between 50-75 capital ships. A Battlefleet covers a sector.

An Imperial Sector is usually a cube of 200 light years long

The galaxy is 90,000 light years across and 50,000 light years thick

you do the math

They're roughly the size of Imperial Super Star Destroyers from SW

The Covenant Supercarrier from Halo though is like 8,000km longer. That's true stupid huge and the largest "standard" capital ship in a mainstream sci-fi franchise I know of.

Now one should take into account on that calculation that not the whole galaxy is under imperial control.
You have the edge areas, some areas that aren't mapped, the eye of terror, the Tau space and the areas the tyranids have either nommed, are currently eating or where the tyranid fleet currently physically resides.
Also any Necron systems.

They're slowly explaining what happened to each. As of the latest books:

1.) Stormsword (White Scars) was destroyed during the events of Path of Heaven

2.) Fidelitas Lex (Word Bearers) was destroyed during the events of Betrayer

3.) Shadow of the Emperor (Raven Guard) and Fist of Iron (Iron Hands) were destroyed during the Drop Site Massacre

4.) Conqueror (World Eaters) and Vengeful Spirit (Black Legion) are still in service in M41. Supposedly Macragge's Honor and Flamewrought (Salamanders) are still in service as well but are classified as Battle Barges.

Yeah it's p much impossible, even in BFG it says that a high priority sector like Cadia would have "many more" times the number of ships than a standard sector while a low-priority sector would have less. but at least you can get some sort of very very very very vague number

The IN strictly covers intergalactic vessels, wet-navies are the realm of IG/PDF. Humorously enough they usually control the airforce.
Actually friend, Imperial planets are all over the chart, you have cities of glass, modern look alikes, industrial revolution look alikes, and literal cave men on some worlds.

Don't the Wolves still have Hfvrankl (sp?) chilling over Fenris?

Still, just to get an idea, we could try calculating it.
But how? That is the question.
I first tried getting the cubic dimensions of the galaxy like this.
90,000ly * 90,000ly * 50,000ly=4.05x10^14
Then i tried dividing it with the sectors cubical dimensions (200ly*200ly*200ly) to get an idea of how many sectors there are.
50,625,000.
Then that times the amount of ships per sector, lets assume 75, i get 3,796,875,000 battleships.

And i am not at all sure if i calculated this right or if i used the right calculations to begin with, but this is what a faggot like myself got.
Now that i think about it, i should have calculated galaxy not as a box, but as a round container...

Fuck it, we need someone who can actually do math and not just an amateur like me.

I was thinking of not posting this, but after writing all that and calculating all that, i might as well go through with this and post it, i'll post some pretty picture to accompany it so it wont be a total eyesore.