Quick Question:
What do feudal worlds use for their PDF? Surely not anything advanced, but it'd have to be something sufficient to counteract all the threats the Imperium faces.
And when modern armies like the Imperial Guard fight on such worlds, how do they prevent cross-cultural contamination?
Pretty much the same thing as IG I think. Though a PDF wouldn't typically have a super heavy unless the planet is pretty rich,
What's with that shitty photoshop? It's fucking hideous.
>What's with that shitty photoshop
It's for an equally shitty forced meme
An older IG codex goes into this. There's bits about how on more primitive worlds it's not uncommon for PDF and IG regiments drawn from there to be armed with muskets, black powder weapons, or even swords/spears
So they just make up in mass what they lack in technology?
I guess that works.
They don't really have much choice.
They have to have a PDF to defend themselves as there's so much danger in the galaxy. At the same time the Adeptus Terra won't give them any aid unless they're in immediate and dire peril, and even that could take years to get there.
So just form some forces, give em spears because that's all you gots, and hope for the best.
Many feudal worlds have a system not disimilar to Marine recruiting worlds, where people 'chosen' for duty are taken to isolated PDF fortresses and compounds. They're equipped with modern gear (by Imperial standards) - lasguns/autoguns, some kind of body armour, chimeras and utility vehicles, maybe even some tanks and heavy artillery.
Other feudal worlds simply won't have a proper PDF at all. If for some reason the world is considered worth defending, off-world forces would be brought in.
>cross-cultural contamination
The Imperium doesn't care much about that unless there's some benefit to keeping it in its 'natural' state, like a feral world being used as a recruiting ground for the Astartes. Feudal worlds normally are worlds that the Imperium doesn't consider very important. If the world WAS important - e.g important resources or a strategic position - the Imperium would simply march in and build enclaves and shrines, and over the centuries the feudal society would usually get 'teched up', either deliberately by the Administratum or by osmiosis from cast-off tech.
The PDF's job is not to defend a world against invasion by real actual galactic threats like orks or 'nids or whatever. That's what IG and space marines are for. The PDF's job is to maintain order on the planet itself. The only gear they need is enough to keep up with organized crime and internal rebellions.
Why didn't you ask this in the 40k general.
Why did you decide to use a spammed troll image.
Why did you ask a question that can be answered just by googling "feudal world 40k".
Generals are circlejerk cancer.
It's not a troll image, it just makes some anons incredibly butthurt for literally no reason.
Google is worthless. Wikis are worthless.
Eat shit.
I didn't actually want your bullshit answers, just like you don't actually care about the answers to your bullshit question.
>just use the general
I thought Veeky Forums was tabletop games, not tabletop generals
If you read the Ragnar book they're basically medi-eval vikings on Fenris. When a Marine fights with them they just assume he's a wizard, so yeah dont think they give a shit about cultural cross contamination.
the fact that Administratum cannot be bothered to give feudal worlds proper technology is a giant fucking asspull.
A planet's PDF is armed with the same weapons and armor one can find on the planet itself. The imperium is surprisingly cautious with not disturbing the natural evolution of a planet's society.
If the planets gets invaded and the IG comes to deal with it, the natives will either fight alongside them with what they have or get an emergency uplifting for the time of the fight
Most feudal worlds are relativly peaceful to memory (if they arn't they get enough IG thrown at them to up the tech level). So bows, black powder and swords which is enought to deal with feral orks.
Cultural contamination is dealt with about the same imperium deals everything, badly. If its destablising genocide, if its not throw churchs at it or ignore it. Likly the planetary captial will be mix of technology with the palace and adminsratium been imperial standard, with tech quickly dropping away further from the capital.
It's more to do with the fact that in the Imperium a las-gun has more economic value than a basic low-grade human soldier, especially a human who has no training in how to use a las-gun.
Imperium has a population that runs into the mid to high quadrillion. The logistics involved with giving everyone a good weapon and training in it's use is inhuman.
Of all the stupidity in 40K, that's one of the worst for me.
Go to any backwater hellhole on planet earth, and what do you see? People on cell-phones, driving cars, and watching television.
Even in the most primitive places, people have access to, or contact with, modern technology, but planets in the Imperium are supposed to be stuck in the middle ages for centuries, when they have direct contact with a spacefaring civilization?
I don't think so...
some PDF forces are intense IG some are basically gangs. on kreig for instance the pdf force would be armedjust as good as kreig because its historic and fought a battle on its homeworld. while the pdf force on cadia is probably a police force or possibly a guard thing or watch tower specialists with the real IG just nextdoor. it depends on your chapter or theam. I'm tossing up doing imperial milita or army or doing a 30k-40k pdf force. a pdf force is like what the soilders would look like in 30k when they where getting ready to go off to the crusade so some of them my be in training and they might be getting shipments of new weapons but afue only know how to use the older stuff. and yer old equipment etc. if you create history for your world then your PDF force should hae some of the older history in its armor design with the ig getting less and less of it and then the scions loosing it all and being sorta generic. personally I think the scions or stormtroopers In 40k will eventually be the core of the IG book in next book. and the tribal nature of the IG will be lost forever. its possible they will make a armored variant even stronger than scions. sorta like how solar aux are even stronger than stormtroopers. idknow thou a new IG kit could happen but imo FW already have 6 or maybe 7 imperial guard lists. and GW currently have 1 and a second codex that actual focuses on the kit they sell most of the Scions which sell more than cadian kits. so I think its a no brainer what the next codex will be. . I think IG is now a FW thing. and I think PDF forces will soon be consider what we once thought was frontline IG and all old ig will just be considered PDF force and scions will do every thing. there is just too many 3rd party guard minis to release a guard codex at this point. they might say stuff in the new militarum tempstu book that stuff can be used in codex astra militarum but I think we are high and dry sorta like regimented WHFB armys. we old school.
the best way to squat all the theamed special snowflake guard is say in current lore they act as PDF forces and scions do every thing due to increase lethality of enemies reqeuireing carapace armor. keep in might they might actually include solar aux in the codex and the new medics and stuff. if fw at gw is true. having a codex dedicated to possibly scions solar aux and titan auxilierys and call it "auxiliersy" scion auxilieris etc. could be a book open to some new ideas that tipical IG or militarum tempestus cant do. show skitari guard and tempst and fw kits being used In new ways etc. make this "new guard" more about assisting a main force etc a sorta detatchment codex.
why giving them weapons?
for fuck's sake give them basic material sciences and let them figure shit out.
what's good a lasgun or leman russ if you can't make more?
Besides, the agri worlds have very low population, several million people at most.
>direct contact
You overstimate the atention Imperium gives to much of its planets. Plenty of them just get visited once every twenty years to collect whatever shitty taxes they can pay and the witches they have captured. Imperium is not "globalized", trading routes are quite controlled and limited also, it is not like someone's gonna say: "ok I'll ship these rare vox-comms in exchange for pretty rocks from Backwater IV"
>give them basic material sciences and let them figure shit out
I'm not sure you understand the imperium or warhammer 40k
That's not true, though I suppose it wouldn't be atypical for PDF to be used in this fashion since otherwise they're just standing around. You are, however, half right - the job of the PDF is to defend the world from minor threats and delay major ones long enough for the IG or Marines to arrive.
Feudal Worlds aren't like that out of lack of technological exposure - after all, they have tithe ships coming by on a regular basis and black ships to occasionally scoop up their Psykers. It's either because the world is too poor to buy tech and lacks the necessary resources and infrastructure to build it themselves (in which case, yeah, they have shit PDFs for their shit planet), or because the Powers That Be™ are intentionally keeping technology from the populous to prevent uprisings (in which case their PDF might be more competently armed).
I understand it perfectly, and I know very well that forge worlds are not the only ones producing military grade tech. Look at fucking Armageddon.
Agri worlds should be the highest fucking priority planets. Imperium has enough bodies to toss at the enemy, but they are useless if they starve before the fighting begins.
A planet with 85% of surface covered in fields and farms, but population 2,000,000 isn't gonna stall a fucking Ork invasion with muskets. Not for a single goddamned day. No fucking way in hell or heaven. And warp travel isn't instantaneous, the IG response force can take months to arrive.
And with each passing day, you are risking starving a fucking hive world or a forge world, because the agri world they got the fucking food from was overtaken in 3 hours and Orks are now burning the crops for shits.
They do... to a degree (I think). The actual running and governance of the imperium has never really been explored by writers as it is always war war war. Which is kind boring.
I always thought feudal world meant the political system and oppose to the tech level? The ad mech comes in and allies itself with the ruling class and gives them all sorts of fancy toys for goods. The fact that the upper eacholns of society now have tech (even if they have no idea how it works) a.) ensures they remain on top of the peasants and b.) the planets rulers are totally dependent on the ad mech to continue thier way of life. If they want their augmentics to be serviced and their rejuvenat treatments to continue you best pony up with that tithe.
Agri-worlds are usually advanced in tech since they are vital for the Imperium. Feudal worlds are self reliant and give little to the rest of the Imperium so they are low priority. Pure agriworlds would have a low population but heavy orbital and ground-space defenses.
You seem to be confusing Agri and Feudal worlds.
Well done.
After many years you realise 40k makes no god damn sense.
Though for a canon explanation, teh administratum am an administradumb.
it's almost like naval blockades and patrols prevent vulnerable worlds from falling prey to invasions
it's almost like outfitting a million worlds with entire defense forces means that the borders of imperial space don't get the supplies they desperately need to stop the endless wars from spilling out uncontrollably
it's almost like you and I, as 21st century tardmonglers sitting at their computers have ZERO idea on the logistics and efficiency of outfitting and maintaining a galactic fucking empire
40k cannon is pretty dumb user and I agree with you. It's also super inefficient to have peasants hoeing little plots to feed a planetary empire and even if the imperium is backwards and retarded even they understand the concept of expediency. Perhaps a better way of looking at things is that feral and feudal worlds are the imperiums way of saying 'fuck it this place is useless' maybe the soil is poor and crops struggle to grow, even the Rock is useless. But. All worlds belong to the emperor so you give them the bare basics and as long as nothing too dramatic happens you just leave them to it.
Real Agri worlds, that is to say ones perfect for crop growth or whatever should and probably are extremely well guarded because as you say, the whole system grinds to a halt if no-one has any food.
>And with each passing day, you are risking starving a fucking hive world or a forge world, because the agri world they got the fucking food from was overtaken in 3 hours and Orks are now burning the crops for shits.
Welcome to Tuesday in the Imperium.
Though presumably the erratic amount of time it takes to move stuff around the Imperium means that the Hive World that was relying on the Agri World for food will face a food crisis in a number of weeks / months / years, depending on the vagaries of the Warp, rather than immediate starvation.
"feudal" doesn't have to mean "archaic"
feudalism is a system of government and social organization
>it's almost like outfitting a million worlds with entire defense forces
faggot
literal dumb faggot
whole point was to make every planet able to defend ITSELF without outside help at least for a reasonable time period
nobody said you gotta give every backwater billion banablades you fucktard
In 40k feudal world is literally an archaic world.
Even if we assume that the people of a Feudal World had the know-how to make advanced weapons, they don't necessarily have the raw materials present - if a Feudal World had the materials to build a Leman Russ, they wouldn't be a Feudal World.
Feudal world is feudal tech. The entire Imperium is a feudal system of loyalty and duty.
>whole point was to make every planet able to defend ITSELF without outside help
I'm not sure you understand the absolutely monumental amount of resources and manpower that would require, when the sector patrols already largely handles that shit.
>lmao just fedex them some lasguns bro what's the big deal
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Let it go
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You gotta wonder how many planets are dedicated to nothing but the Administratum and serving as giant depots and the like.
Any sector capital.
Nigga, do you know what formatting is? Ain't nobody gon' read dat shit!
This.
>prevent cross-cultural contamination
They don't 40k isn't Star Trek the IoM has no Prime Directive.
I actually got some art a while back on the idea of a teched up Feudal World guard regiment, would serve the same as PDF too. Plasteel body armor for everybody, including longswords and lasguns with axe-bayonets.
So basically you're just a shitposting faggot?
Considering there are people actually living in the United States and Canada who don't have internet or cell phones it's not too hard to imagine. Hell just pretend they're space Amish if you really need to.
>Even in the most primitive places
Wrong. There are still tribes living in South America, Africa and on Pacific islands where they don't have a lick of modern technology.
I'd be down to see that art.
I think Hive Worlds aren't totally devoid in terms of food to sustain their population, since they can grow algae with the shit of the people and solyent green with the corpses. However you'd need food incoming for sustained population growth.
Many Hive worlds are canonically not self-sufficient and have to ship in food from nearby agri-worlds (the agri-worlds having been developed for this purpose).
that was the art
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