How feasible would it be for an Eldar to infiltrate a and imperial world, let say that a hive world for this example, and start form a cult around himself by charming humans into his servants?
Keep in mind that the eldar : >are beautiful beyond compare by human standards, and project an "alien allure" regardless of their sex. >possess technology that seems like magic to imperials >non DE Eldar possess actual fucking magic because they are potent psykers >are extremely long lived, basically immortal by human standards anyways. >look human enough that they could sneak around without being immediately noticed for aliens, thus allowing them to operate semi openly.
An Eldar, should he/she wish, could just start charming humans into following him/her, and build an army of devoted followers who utterly love their master, and/or bribe stronger willed and influential humans to his/her side, with basically magic technology, weaponry etc. An Eldar could potentially just DIO it up in the imperial underworld for centuries, without anyone noticing. Given the cultures of the various eldar, though, this sort of shit would seem to be more in the Deldar alley.
This idea came up in the Genestealer cult thread, and I thought that it is interesting enough premise for it's own thread.
>>look human enough that they could sneak around without being immediately noticed for aliens, thus allowing them to operate semi openly. Except the moment they move, everyone will know that this thing is not human.
Sebastian Sanchez
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Ayden Bell
I don't think that it is beyond Eldar capacity to move like a human. Their natural movements are seen as inhuman because of their speed, grace and precision, which seem like things an Eldar could tone down should he will it. He could simply just walk like a drunken eldar, to imitate humans.
Ryder Evans
>>are beautiful beyond compare by human standards, and project an "alien allure" regardless of their sex. Let me stop you right there you fucking weeb
Owen Cruz
The Eldar codex describes them as having handsome and striking features, and they are stated to be beautiful by human standards in multiple other sources as well.
Austin Foster
Calm down senpai
The fun thing about 40k is you can interpret the lore quite a bit.
Kayden Stewart
That's basically the only piece of art that portrays the Eldar looking like that. I think that the FFG rpg books had another one with the same sort of look, but that's it. Whereas the Deldar book portrays the Deldar looking like this.
Angel Harris
Bigger version
Daniel Martin
Shouldn't Eldar have darker eyes?
Luke Ross
Yea, kinda bitch you can just drizzle honey on and lick her for hours.
Bentley Green
Depends on the source but yeah, I guess.
Grayson Howard
Even if the eldar looked that much different from humans, they could probably just disguise themselves well enough with tech/magic. Fuck, if genestealer hybrids can pass for human despite their weird fucking heads I'm sure an eldar can manage.
The real question is why would an eldar want to be surrounded by a cult of humans? That'd be like if a supermodel moved out to Borneo to start a cult of chimpanzees. What's the eldar's ulterior motive?
Noah Long
An Eldar could be stranded on some imperial world with no means for communicating with oder Eldar or transportation and maybe thinks to make the best out of this situation.
I think there was a short story with this scenario that OP was asking for, but I can't remember the name.
Carson Butler
I regret not saving that screencap from BL novel where eldar chick basically thinks to herself "these creatures would be capable of waging wars of lust over me and worshiping me as their godess" Also OP, eldar chicks are seven feet-somethin wihout being built like lumberjacks, that's pretty damn hard to disguise.
Isaiah Clark
what if they wore a fake beard?
Ayden Richardson
Didn't know Lelith was thicc
Isaiah Cruz
Can't really see why a Craftworld Eldar would bother unless forced into a situation where such actions became necessary, but for Deldar, it could be an relatively ez way of gaining basically limitless supply of slaves to feed on, with no other Deldar competing for your shit, or planning to murder you.
Think about how harsh life is in Commoragh. Other deldar are constantly trying to backstab you and steal your shit, you need to partake in life threatening raids if you want to get a decent amount of Slaves, and you also need to deal with the politics between the kabals, wytch cults and Haemonculi covens. Living like a king in the imperial underworld, could potentially be better for a Deldar than living in Commoragh, should one be able to pull the situation in the OP off.
Your run of the mill Eldar probably couldn't do that, but a Kabalite prince/Dracon/Whatever, could perhaps be able to, for example, steal a portable webway portal, and just vanish from the Dark City, and arrive to some Imperial Hive World. There, he could infiltrate the lower levels of the hive (which are ez mode in comparison to Commoragh), charm some humans into his devoted servants with his beauty and allure, as well as promises of wondrous technologies etc. He could then use those humans to form a cult, which would start supplying him with sacrifices which to feed on.
The only real problem for the Deldar would be the fact that their thrist becomes greater in realspace, but seeing how characters like the Duke Sliscus spend tons of time pirating in real space, the thrist can't be too bad in the real space.
Easton Stewart
what if eldar were bees
Benjamin Harris
Disguise self as old woman. Whenever seen in public be hunched over and have your face covered with a hood/holo-mask.
People might suspect a graceful amazon with a massive following as being a hidden eldar, but who's going to suspect the local wise-woman of being anything besides senile?
Brody Martin
No silly, glasses are the traditional disguise of xeno species living among human population.
was it ever actually explained how the fuck did emperor passed as many of the humanity's most influential people, while being basically an 8 feet tall barbarian wrestler?
Samuel Rogers
>beauty and allure >HIS beauty and allure >lower levels of the hive
however this ends, I do not want to see it.
Evan Rogers
Emps can change shape.
Evan Johnson
>look human enough that they could sneak around without being immediately noticed for aliens, thus allowing them to operate semi openly.
Not really. I know that almost no one takes this as canon but in the RT line of games Eldar past at a distnce or in poor lighting human but up close they take a -20% to a test to past themselves as human. Their heads and faces are not shaped right, their arms are a touch to long, etc.
Adam Kelly
Eldar project a sense of "alien allure" to humans, regardless of either one's sex.
In other words, humans find Eldar super hot, no matter the genders involved.
Aaron Perez
something something empy was jesus
e x a c t l y
John Phillips
That still clearly indicates that an Eldar CAN disguise oneself as a human, but it just takes some effort and skill to do.
Brandon Murphy
Why would an Eldar do that tho? I guess someone from the first world could go in indonesia, find an isolated tribe of natives that never saw modern technology and pass themselves off as a God with an iPhone and a first aid kit but why would they? The natives have got nothing he wants.
Elijah Nguyen
sex
Anthony Reed
As discussed here, humans themselves are what Deldar want. Should a Deldar manage to get humans to worship him as god, he could secure a steady supply of victims on whose pain he could feed upon for centuries without having to deal with the shit deldar deal with in Commoragh, namely OTHER deldar.
Camden James
Why would an Eldar want to fuck manlets that barely know how to fuck?
Charles Hall
clarification: kinky, deldar sex
Austin Parker
I'm seeing a very weird mutant there, don't you see it user?
Because why the fuck all mutations have to make you an ugly monster? And why some mutations couldn't make you very eldar-like?
Nolan Mitchell
Dark Eldar walk what... 4-5 times the speed of humans? Its possible to slow down. Or to "Charm" the crowd into ignoring it.
Or only appear alien to the inner circle of the cult.
Brayden Flores
because they want to fuck eldar have to copulate for fucking decades straight to make offspring (so much for superior metabolism) it's not far fetched to assume they get bored with their partners/get ditched halfway trough eldar chick can look irresistibly hot to human, but she might be nothing special to her kin
Bentley Rivera
Biomancy and a debatable degree of psychic influence. IIRC one of the BL novels mention a moment where Malcador gets a glimpse of the Emperor behind his constantly projected image and sees a wirey old brown man, but it isn't clear if that's literally the Emperor's physical form or if it's more of a self-image deal.
Angel Phillips
>so much for superior metabolism after you reach certain point of civilization advancement the high fertility becomes disadvantage
Joseph Morales
And they could find mon'keighs really distasteful in various ways. There isn't anything a mon'keigh could offer an Eldar.
Christian Lee
>>I'd fuck a dirty indonesian native with no concept of anything that can relate to what I say to her, that looks forty at 18 and whose pussy crawls with parasites. You should respect yourself some more.
Christian Jones
I think it could be argued, that since before Slaanesh the eldars where a very decadent hedonistic empire they modified themselves to be very infertile and hence enjoy more sex without consequences, and now, they don't know how to fix it or don't really care(the deldar webway is overcrowed as it is and they have some very political things to do that are much more important).
Benjamin Gonzalez
Problem is that they are beautiful to uncanny valley levels.
They also have certain animalistic elements (like more predatory eyes), yet a lot of people tend to forget that part.
Charles Howard
The problem with Dark Eldar, or Craftworld Eldar birth rates has nothing to do with "low fertility". In fact, Deldar got no problems with birth rates at all. They conceive children just fine. The problem is carrying them to term in the dangerous environment Commoragh is. They get around that by having haemonculi take those babby embryos out of their mommies, and speed grow them into the Half Born eldar, which form the wast majority of Deldar population.
Craftworlders on the other hand, are limited by the availability of Soul Stones, which are only found in Crone Worlds in the Eye of Terror. No Craftworlder parent would want to have a child if they don't have a soulstone for it.
Again, Eldar are not limited by "low fertility". They are limited by other things.
Ian Gutierrez
bolloks eldar dude has to jizz like billion times to actually knock her up
Isaiah Lewis
Isn't that Xenology "canon"?
Tyler Peterson
I take it you've never heard of South east Asian sex tourism...
Anthony Clark
That shit was only speculation by the in universe author of Xenonology, same as the shit about Eldar ears being erogenous.
It is of dubious canonity because of that.
Elijah Diaz
>No Craftworlder parent would want to have a child if they don't have a soulstone for it.
They definitely need a faction of Ironman mode eldar. No savescumming. Git gud or die and meet Slaanesh.
Jack Allen
Except the delicious pain they excrete when tortured. Deldar nourish their souls on that pain.
That's Dark Eldar m8. They don't use soulstones, and when they die (for good), they go straight to Slaanehs. That's why Deldar have gotten good at cheating death. They can come back from just a severed hand, if they have made the right contracts with the Haemonculi.
That doesn't apply to most Deldar though, as wast majority of the Dark Eldar are just mooks and half born dupes. The Kabals, Wytch cults, and Haemonculi covens form the top of the Deldar Societal hierarchy in terms of power and influence.
Blake Parker
Xenology is an in universe document with an unreliable narrator.
Luke Lopez
Isn't that mostly for ladyboys and kiddie-fiddling?
Or are you referencing that one story about whoring female ape? As in literal orangutan.
Michael Gomez
>They can come back from just a severed hand, if they have made the right contracts with the Haemonculi.
Yeah, about that. They still need that hand to get to the Haemonculi in time. And if said hand gets into the hands of someone not so trusted...
Justin James
I like this idea, maybe some bored exodite or dark eldar playing around with humans for a few years amusement
Asher Collins
I think this sort of thing is why imperial citizens hate and fear xenos, it's probably suspected of happening far far more often than it actually happens. Think of the elf cult-leader as being like the sharp-toothed clawed jews in nazi propaganda.
Leo James
>are beautiful beyond compare by human standards, and project an "alien allure" regardless of their sex. Except they don't, in fact they're described as looking creepy as all fuck.
Daniel Taylor
The other problem they face is that it's super dull to live like that and that if they die in that situation, they die for good. They have nothing to fight for, no real joy from life and what agonies they could feed from would be pale and watery next to their usual repast.
No decent drugs, no one to fuck besides the smelly monkeys, no thrilling hunts or races, no wych cult spectacles, no reason to exist beyond existing.
Aiden Brooks
I'm not going to read every novel just to prove you wrong, just know that you're wrong.
Brody Thomas
Something can be creepy and alien and beautiful all at once. Different artists will attempt to portray that in different ways (which the Elfs Are Beautiful Partisans have already mentioned).
Isaac Young
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Dominic Young
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nah
Elijah Roberts
While I'm on the subject of thinking about how unlikely this all is, Op has assumed that Eldar would be able to trade advanced technology but Eldar technology is impossible to replicate, doesn't always function for non Eldar, is a serious crime to possess and the Eldar in question probably doesn't even know how to make the stuff.
Aside from collectors or rogue AdMech types, no one is going to want an endless stream of Eldar junk, it's not all that useful. What technology can an Eldar even give away to humans that is good enough to set them up as a cult leader? Half that shit is grown from wraithbone, the other half is churned out by slaves and the average Eldar has no idea how to build it themselves.
Dominic Martin
xeno artifact smuggling is a fucking goldmine user you will find enough people interested in that kind of shit on a fucking hive world with 100,000,000,000,000 people
Justin Diaz
>ALIEN allure >apparently can do agic >unnaturally beautiful >oh by the way they have knife ears
Killed by a rabble of panicking xenophobic peasants immediately after its first attempted conversation. You don't seem to get the Imperium, and the degree to which its' pants-on-head retarded levels of paranoia is prevalent.
Luis Bennett
What a cancerous image to post.
Christopher Cruz
What made you think it was acceptable that godawful picture.
Anthony Flores
lol pussy
sorry you're triggered by people with more courage than you, go blog about it
Jordan Robinson
You know this has nothing to do with the guy in that picture, but with the reddit-tier composition? Also those "rebels" backed up by western forces are murderers and rapists and Lybia is still a shitshow of a country.
Adrian Adams
>implying even reddit is is that bad
besides, th-they're still OUR murderers and rapists...right?
Charles Sanders
You fellas should take the sticks outta your asses.
Jayden Powell
There's already a shitload of diversity in human appearance just on earth. Compare a northern european to an east asian to an aborigine.
Now take trillions and trillions of humans, on millions of worlds, many with wildy different environments, and give them tens of thousand of years to genetically drift. By the time of 40k, Homo Sapiens is going to be all over the place size & appearance wise. An Eldar isnt going to be that strange looking in the range of human biodiversity. At least until it moves...
The way they move is often the stated reason for eldar pushing into the uncanny valley. But if it makes a point to "act human" and not move & react too fast or too slow & smooth, it can probably pass as an offworlder if the humans around arent familiar w Eldar.
Daniel Fisher
tl;dr: homo sapiens ended up with ratlings, ogryns and squats - mon'keigh cosplay is probably nowhere near as uncanny valley as anything you're likely to find in the depths of a hive world
Ethan Collins
>see Europeans and Asians vs everyone else
Connor Rivera
inb4 deldar cuck porn
Adrian Morgan
Pretty good tl;dr
Anyway, thinking further, an Deldar lead cult could make for a pretty cool looking Genestealer Cult army on the tabletop. Kitbash together hybrids & genestealer replacements to represent the "upgrades" our bored Deldar asshole has made to his pets.
Brody Hughes
This is literally the plot of Last Days of Ector. Humans worship Asurmen as a guardian entity known as "The Hand".
Aaron Powell
Humanity would be at most as threatening as the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park to the Eldar , and it would be surprising if possible.
Luke Sanchez
Those nids look fucking retarded.
Cooper Flores
There are tons of far weirder things in the underworld of a hivecity, than an uncannily beautiful beings that can pass off as a human on a glance with no effort.
Not to mention that most humans of the imperium have never seen an Eldar, nor have any clue to what one looks like, so the idea that some hive scum would immediately realize that an Eldar masquerading as a human, is an alien, is unfounded.
Joshua Harris
Gork and Mork vs their weight in Eldar bees, who wins?
Jacob Butler
Really? It's the Nids you noticed looking stupid? Not Waddles McFurious?
James Williams
It's either Gork or Mork. We've been working that out for a while and still don't have an answer. They definitely team up and kill the bees though. Gork and Mork always win if they team up and, you know, the other side IS bees.
So the winner is whichever one wins after they kill the beeeeeeeeeeeeees
Evan Hughes
Can't do it. My players will kill me if I make them deal with Dio again. Once was enough.
Kevin Butler
Story time?
Nathan Lewis
Deldar tech works perfectly fine in non psyker hands
Asher Morgan
I don't see anything particularly wrong with the marine and Asurmen.
Brandon Jones
>Eldar >Can have pretty much anything he wants >There is even the path of dreaming where the Eldar gets high as a fucking kite with drugs and booze and thinks his all kinds of weird shit like stardust and trees >Eldar ever setting foot on a Hive world willingly >Liking Humans
The answer's no OP unless said Eldar was corrupted by chaos in which case the cult wouldn't be about him and he'd be the daemons.
Gavin Taylor
What you say only applies to craftworld eldar
Andrew Diaz
Yeah it's vaguely possible.
The problem is Eldar are fucking super tall, move in a super spooky graceful way, talk like fags and their shit's all retarded.
Feasible that a Dank Eldar would do it for the slaves and pain and what not, would likely have to be some frontier/unrediscovered world where the monkeigh are extra peasant and don't have credoimperialis issues. As for Eldar? I imagine the only way it would happen would be part of some weird dreamed up plan to do the right thing for Eldar.
Camden Cruz
I don't think that a Deldar would have that much of an issue infiltrating the underworld of even a major hive world.
Carson Young
Hmm true, your average hive ganger dresses like a fucking maniac so I can see Deldar fitting into the lower dregs of society.
William Green
>Be deldar >Life is good >Very few assassination attempts today >All from some powerful and influential archon but whatevs >Enjoying the torture >Enjoying the pussy >Life is good >Suddenly INCUBI >They come from the ceiling, I lose a hand thanks to the shards >They are more skilled than the rest sweet fuck >Get killed >Wake up >I'm a hand >I see that archon holding me >"Well, well, well. Aren't you a beautiful one. It's a shame I had to kill you, but..." >Realize that I can do nothing because I'm a hand >"I'd say you would not accept the little business proposition I had." >He starts fapping using me >I'm powerless >Be his sex toy for all eternity >mfw
Cameron Gutierrez
With some effort and gadgets/surgery a deldar could probably infiltrate even high society of the Imperium. They ate already arrogant fucks who see themselves as better than others, just like Imperial nobles are.
Joshua Rivera
Fuck, you're blowing my mind user.
FFG 40k RPG plot hooks to be found here.
Wyatt James
Sorry to be that guy but chimps are only foundin the wild in africa
Orangutans and gibons live in borneo
Jacob Miller
I read that as Orangutans and Goblins.
Brandon Martin
It does because it's built by slaves because the DEldar are lazy and don't want to waste their torturefucking time on milling receivers for splinter pistols, you honestly think wasters like Kharbyr can build that stuff?
It still doesn't answer why they'd want to slum it in a hive world basement though, practically every kabalite can leave Commorragh nearly any time they want but they stay because it's where the best stuff is. It'd be like expecting you to go live with chimps in the zoo because, wow, free bananas.
Camden Sanchez
You realize that kabalites make up a tiny minority of the Deldar population, right? Most deldar are not in nearly as good position as even the lowliest of kabalite warriors are. For such deldar, the opportunity to live a relatively easy life in the underworld of a hive city could be preferable than having to live in the constant danger of commoragh.
Robert Miller
>You realize that kabalites make up a tiny minority of the Deldar population, right?
Yep, but as for the others, how do they get significant portions of technology, get out of Commorragh and survive outside? Vect has structured the city so that it feeds the needs of its citizens adequately to prevent uprising, unless they're utterly bottom of the barrel they can still go see the wych cults perform, see public displays from the haemonculi and vie for advancement in the various street gangs.
>For such deldar, the opportunity to live a relatively easy life in the underworld of a hive city could be preferable than having to live in the constant danger of commoragh.
For a rational being, yes. But for the arrogant and self centred dark Eldar? I shouldn't think so, they're eternally convinced they can climb the ranks and make it to the top, I simply can't see them wanting to leave Commorragh because to do so would cut them off from everything the city offers them. No advancement, inferior agonies to feed on, nothing to do but continue to eke out a meaningless existence among beings they despise but would come to depend on.
I think a DEldar could probably survive happily in realspace for extended periods but I can't see them wanting to be a cult leader. A pirate maybe, almost certainly among other Eldar, but tethering themselves to humans for their survival? I simply can't see them doing it. As I say, it'd be like a human going to live with chimps in the zoo because it's easier than having a job.
Jose Gomez
While most deldar wouldn't probably like the idea, some might. After all, deldar are individuals and don't all think the same. I can see plenty of reasons for a deldar to leave the city, ranging from making powerful enemies there, some esoteric schemes, opportunities to claim resources without competition from other deldar or to simply not wanting to live under Vect's tyranny.
Also, the deldat wouldn't necessarily have to completely cut his ties to commoragh.