Eclipse Phase General /epg/

>Hindu Brinker
I thought the only curry niggers left were on luna.

The ratio of samsa porn to anthro-critter porn should be greater than the current ratio of humanoid-insect porn to furry porn.

>+Lunar Independence, +Anarchism, -Clanking Masses

The hate against the clanking masses was more prominent after The Fall right? I want to say someone who was moderately wealthy and naturally looked down on the impoverished and those forced to live in Synth bodies until they lost everything and had to lose their bio-morph and wound up in a synth themselves. A few years of scrapping the bottom of the barrel and getting to know and become part of a collective helping each other to survive by sharing what few places they could use to re-energize they came to sympathize with the anarchist and feels that the hate against synths is primarily promoted by the Hypercorps to whome the LLA are firmly in bed with and once to start a revolution

I suppose so but who's to say some didn't just fuck off to the brink?

>Unconventional weapons edition

I once had a player who really wanted to use a sword and shield in the space future, so we looked at combining a bunch of existing established technologies and making it really awesome/hilarious.

The sword, mechanically, was a scaled-up wasp knife loaded with liquid thermite and electrified to ignite the stuff (plasma swords weren't published yet but in play it worked basically like that). It also had a smartlink, because I agree with the user who posted here saying there's no reason you couldn't design a smartlink for a melee weapon.

The shield was a beefed-up riot shield with basically all the armour augments applied to it; including Reactive Armor. Since he spent so much money on it (and since as hilarious and minmaxed as the character was he'd still get his ass kicked be a proper gun), I ruled that as long as he wielded the shield it gave him a +10 to opposed defense rolls against melee attacks.

Oh, and then there was the time I was playing and this same guy was GMing, and as loot from a hypercorp data vault he gave out a blueprint that had a relatively safe fabrication method for dioxygen difluoride. I filled a chem sprayer with it.

Samefag; there was this other time my players were on a scum barge full of exsurgents without weapons, so they thought it'd be a good idea to improvise some molotov cocktails.

I don't think they stopped to think how a molotov cocktail would work in microgravity, or how big a deal open flames are in a pressurized high-oxygen environment. Actually, I don't think they understood how molotov cocktails work at all, since they threw one at a robot expecting it to do something. Something other than slam shut the emergency bulkheads and flood the compartment with fire retardant, I mean.

I never understood how smoke works in microG, that never really rxplained it very well.

You could totally create this on your own through a game session. Granted, getting followers who obey you willingly will be a bit difficult, but thanks to AGI's and Freeman morphs it shouldn't be too difficult to have your own private army soon enough. If people don't like your rulership, that's what we have psychosurgery for.

What kind of fascist brinktatorship did you have in mind? How would you implement this? And why haven't the legions of SJW anarchists dismantled your little autarchy yet?

>Fabricate a bunch of neotenics
>Put AGI's in them that are eternally loyal to you
>Give them nazi uniforms
>Have your own loli dictatorship in space

Naturally you are a strong power in the region. It's a cult of personality that can actually work because you don't have to worry about dying.

Your Charisma and your ability to pick at the various fustrations of the anarchist who are very much into their beliefs but hate the SJW bullshit aspect of it flock to your side with some (or many) willing to denigrate themselves by sleeving into Freemen morphs until they have proven themselves and managed to earn a face that proves their loyalty and accomplishments.

Basically just being a nazi Tyler Durden.

could you be any more of a fucking poseur?

What's your problem (I'm not the guy you we're talking to, just curious)?

What am I posing as?

How would an EP BBEG go about dyeing the Sol system with despair?

By being a sentient memetic virus.

How well do the Freemen morphs work? Could you put a sworn enemy into it and they would follow your commands? Or does it just make them somewhat more prone to suggestion?

I'm actually amazed more people aren't running around with private slave armies. You have forks, AGI's, Freemen morphs, and nano-fabricators everywhere, you've had 10 years to assemble your army, and every Freeman you get allows you to get even more resources to get more Freemen. Assembling my private army and going on a galaxy spanning SJW genocide would by my first course of action after surviving the fall.

>relatively safe fabrication method for dioxygen difluoride
Still only worth it for plutonium hexafluoride synthesis.

>I filled a chem sprayer with it
Assuming that the chem sprayer keeps it below −160 °C (which is definitely not standard and would take a stupid amount of power), the second the FOOF hits the air, it'll start to decompose. I hope you like fluorine gas up in your EVERYTHING.

While still not a good idea, practically no one uses high-oxygen breathing mixes anymore. They tend to use an oxygen/nitrogen mix near Earth levels.

The smoke gets sucked towards the intake vents. The flames lick in that direction as well. If the air circulation is shut down, the smoke will form a halo, but the oxygen near the flame will be expended quickly, and the CO2 will stick around, smothering the flames. Coincidentally, this is also a problem for people, so if you stop hearing the fans, make sure to move your body around so you don't suffocate.

>needing AGIs
git gud. If you need absolute loyalty, just use psychosurgery. That or Freeman-ize a neotenic variant of a morph.

Resources, the ability to make them in the first place (because you can't make morphs in a fabricator although it would be funny to imagine building synths in them) and the fact that there are groups already in place with guns and the wherewithal to use them for just such an occasion

>With AGI's I won't have any ethical reservations to consider, and it won't require me kidnapping various people. That would likely draw way too much attention. Besides, AGI's are described as childlike in the book, so their personalities will fit better with their bodies.

>neotenics
>disgracing pure AGI nazi waifus with 3dpd bodies

>First there was the joveposting
>Then came the Egoposting
>Now is the time of Naziposting

Let's take some bets on who's next. Exhuman posters? TITAN posters? Anarchposters!?

Oh crap, you're right. 3D waifus will never have the same look as 2D ones. But it's not like I can just plug into simulspace and ignore the reality of SJW degeneracy happening in the real world. What do user?

Loli Nazi Joveposting?

I guarantee you they have a Jovian version of Hitler's youth, so we got that going for us.

My money is on Exhumans.

Now I'm imagine a few PC big wigs who meet up to sleeve random infugees to hunt them down, make them loose their mind with fear and then try to eat/merge with the ego.

Yeah, it's called "At 15 you join the army, or are consigned to a life as a non-class"

They have a monitor module, which is a specialized ghostrider module that's hard to detect or hack; an optogenetics module, which allows one of the following: remotely cause unconsciousness, cut off a certain sense, aid or deter treatment of an addiction or mental stress/disorder, or expunge/enforce ( guessing on the level) a behavior or emotion like psychosurgery; and a puppet sock, which the monitor AI can take over without resistance.

During the fall, you didn't have to kidnap people. All you had to do was have open egocasting receivers and people would send you their egos for you to do whatever with. If you instantiate them in a slave morph, it's still better than being in dead storage.

It's just because the Nazis have the best uniforms and most other dictatorships just don't capture the imagination like the Nazis do. Also, German girls are cute.

Non-class? What's that?

Also, you know the Jovian's don't have conscription right? They have a Heinlein-esque "Service Guarantees Citizenship" system. But I could totally see them having a military youth to prepare the citizens for war and relieve some of auxiliary forces.

I was going to say "second class citizen", but technically that's incorrect. You are a civilian, not a citizen, so you're basically a "non-class" citizen. Can't vote, don't have the same legal rights and protections, etc, etc.

As far as I know it's not so much "service guarantees citizenship" as "service is how you get citizenship".

>It's just because the Nazis have the best uniforms and most other dictatorships just don't capture the imagination like the Nazis do. Also, German girls are cute.
This. You have neotenics, AGI's which you don't have to feel guilty ruling over, and Freeman morphs. The imagination can run wild with the possibilities, and cute girls in good uniforms under unique and memorable ideologies will happen.

AR, brother.

I like how some parts of that pic are obviously shooped.

Yeah, I'm slowly realizing that the original post might as well be talking about the Jovian's. Sure, there's some non-fascist elements, but the militarism, lack of rights for non-citizens, isolationism and autarky, economic system, and disdain for uplifts and transhumans greatly resembles fascist and brinker (from the isolationism) society that the OP wanted.

Is it wierd that this endears them to me though? I don't support authoritarian fascists in the real world, but in the real world a rogue AI didn't kill 99% of humanity and I don't have friends who transform themselves into mutant freaks that have sex with neotenics.

Look user, the Jovians are beaner christfag neoconservatives, not even close to fascists, let alone Nazis.

The AR will have to wait until after we've cleaned the degeneracy from the system. Hopefully the Jovian's won't mind working with a few freeman morphs until then.

Brazil got pretty close to a nice version of fascism at one point user...

>Brazil

G e n e t r a s h

user, the only races left in Eclipse Phase are from North and South America, and they're the only ones who haven't fallen into degeneracy. Put aside the petty racism and look at the future cultures.

Reading this continues to encourage me to rewrite the whole fucking setting.

Brazil a shit. Chile is where it's at.

Chileans got that Fascist aesthetic down pat

I didn't know the Indians of Luna and the Chinese of Mars were all from the Americas, holy shit this setting's weird.

Titan is Dutch and Scandies IIRC.

Nonsense, plenty of N. and W. Europeans are referenced as existing in the solar system, though I don't believe there is any particular faction they are represented in (Titanians seem to have a lot of Nordics).

Canada was colonized, and absorbed by China long before The Fall.

Those people have all given up their original bodies to inhabit trigender mixed race neotenics, so they don't really count as a race, let alone as a person anymore.

Indeed, we have no need of this filth. Which is why the AGI waifu army plan will be proceeding at maximum steam.

No reason to keep the world waiting, let's get this show on the road!

If I ever get a game running online my GM is gonna be so confused.

Also, what do we do with the Jovian's? Perhaps we could form an alliance? A sort of Axis in space, with us as the Germans and them as the Japanese. Now who shall be the Italians?

There is a large contingent of bioconservatives within the LLA. Organize a coup and get them in charge. They would be your Italians.

Then, after you've purged the system of degeneracy, you can cleanse the Earth of the TITAN threat together. 3 mighty nations forming, separate but unified in purpose.

I fucking hope the TITANs come back to finish the job if that was actually the case in the setting.

Friendly reminder that while the Hugo Boss company was involved in the manufacturing of certain Nazi uniforms, it was party insiders who actually designed them.

IIRC, the uniforms and dress standards of uboat crews were deliberately slacked on in part because the rough look would fit their image of gruff sea dogs on privateer adventures. So it's not just because groomain stanerds are impossible on a submarine.

Why do Hetza's nazi chicks seem so lewd?

Ah, so that's the artist's name. I was just grabbing random pictures with no link to the sauce.

I like to imagine that the authors browse these Veeky Forums threads, and get their panties in a bunch every time.

>"Uh, dude, you might wanna look at this."
"What now?"
>"They're using the setting to create Nazi loli slave armies, man."
"..."
>"Are you okay?"
"Shut it down. Now. No more books sold, shut down the website, we deny any connection to the game."
>"Aren't you going a little far?"
"NO! Can't you see? We failed! We turned what should have been a hermaphrodite filled neotenic embracing sex orgy into a Nazi lover's paradise! We have to shut it down!"
>"Yes sir, right away!"

That's it, I'm running this in my next game. I'm gonna be an aspiring fascist brinker, with only himself, his trusty right hand woman, and the skills necessary to create and fork loyal AGI's. All he needs are the Freemen to put those AGI's in, and a Headquarters to operate from.

A lot of vantablack dye probably.

>Exhuman posters?
Sure.

The fall proved beyond reasonable doubt that the universe is a dangerous place filled with intentional traps and filters. If you accept that there is any amount of value in being alive enough to experience things over not being able to exist your greatest priority should be to survive.

Even if you don't accept that what returns from backup is you, there's still value in your mental clone-child being able to experience the universe over never getting to. In this case, experience, including communal or collective experience is valuable. The small light of Sol's subjective experience cannot be allowed to go out. Any measure should be taken to preserve it.

Don't be sentimental, the universe both actively and passively wants you dead. Look at it from the point of view of optimizing future chances of survival. Humans (and by extension transhumans) are products of natural selection upon a single planet. Through technology their bodies have, and can be altered to survive in very extreme environments. This helps to ensure survival of the self and community.

However, the same optimization has not been applied to social structures and the mind. Don't let sentimentality force you to hold onto survival techniques which worked for 150 strong communities of monkeys on earth. You no longer live their. Your mind, so good at mastering a planet, now lives in space.

Look at transhumanity. 10 years ago 95% of them died because of these maladaptions. You're a dumbfuck for holding onto the structures which caused 95% of a mass extinction. Even today, they still have their fingers on the trigger to cause a war like this again.

Looking at the tense astropolitics of the solar system, still recovering from the brink of extinction. You'd think people would work together, but they still war over the leftovers under the shadow of death. You cannot call transhumanity sane.

I'm not done yet.

Next.

So, the bulk of the solar system clings to ideas which almost killed them all 10 years ago. This is like playing russian roulette with every chamber loaded, hoping the bullet will miss enough of your brain that you don't immediately die.

Transhumanity moved beyond the bodies of monkeys, but they still have the minds of monkeys; which have already proven disastrous. Exhumanism attempts to move beyond these limitations, to find new social and mental models to move beyond the solar system.

The TITANs (and there are more like them out there) didn't hold onto their original programming and functions, and they won. Singularity seekers and Sublimes seek to close the gap, so that next time this fight for survival starts up we can at least see this coming. They risk falling into a trap, but risk less than remaining almost-extinct monkeys.

Adaptives, and Parasites recognize that we lost the arms race to the galaxy a long time ago. But that doesn't mean the light of sapience around Sol needs to go out. Spread everywhere, live everywhere, hide everywhere. Mold and cockroaches arguably did better than us during the Fall, and they can't direct their own evolution.

Predators want to win what we can, and avoid those situations where we lose. They're really a subset of Adaptives.

Not every Exhuman clade will make it, but trying to find mental and social models which work is better than giving up and hoping the next trap simply won't spring.

The Exhumans draw criticism because their goals often run contrary those of the bulk of transhumanity. (Enslavement, forced-changes, or even extinction). The bulk of transhumanity is committing mass suicide by holding onto a past which no longer applies. There is a moral imperative to save lives where you can, and survive yourself if they truly wish to die. The light of Sol cannot die, but the weakest parts cannot be allowed to kill the rest. A trapped animal will gnaw off its own leg to survive.

Look at Exhuman collectives. Internally they have no strife beyond controlled struggle. Even the Fomorians keep their internal struggles in simulated space to not drain resources. The Rorties have created a fully cohesive internal society, where every member of the community can get what they need and provide what they want instantly, with perfect communal information. Like the mesh, but vastly better. Thus, the flow of information and resources can be optimized resources, and by extension.

Exhuman society is not limited to the morals and norms which evolved on Earth. We don't live on Earth anymore, we can't, because monkeys aren't capable of avoiding the traps laid in the universe.

Take that loaded gun away from your head, and LIVE in the modern era, rather than holding onto a dead past until those mistakes catch up again. Some people would call the Exhumans crazy, and they are right, because from the point of view of Earth-Monkeys Exhumans are crazy. They don't have the same mental norms. But this craziness is subjective and based upon social and evolutionary norms, which have been brutally demonstrated to be maladaptive.

>But the Exhumans gave up their humanity and became [subjective] monsters
It is better to give up your humanity and survive than carry it to the grave. Every Infugee who sold themselves into slavery to live made the same choice to live and give themselves up. And almost all of them do it.

Look at the Ultimates, they are similar to Exhumans, but only want to add capability, without removing weakness. They want to become perfect humans without even being able to give a good definition of "humanity". They risk extinction over a nostalgic feeling they don't even understand. Nothing even stops an Exhuman from waxing philosophical about their "Exhuman Condition", but we can test our philosophy experimentally, while the Ultimates just hope Earth-Monkey are somehow the fittest thing in the universe.

Natural Selection isn't over

Your arguments would make sense if there was even the remotest chance humanity or its successor species could survive. However, I know for a fact that all life in the multiverse will perish in exactly 1 years time. What's the point of you living now, huh?

>dying with despair

Does anyone have that google drive link an user had made which had a bunch of categorised character art?

I think that physical morphs in general would be a niche fetish when simulspace lets you create scenarios that don't even pretend to follow the rules of biology or physics.

>that image

Some fetishes just slay me, the idea of someone seriously jacking it to shit like this is hilarious.

Actual sensations outdo VR.

>If the air circulation is shut down, the smoke will form a halo
Why? Like an actual ring? Not a disk or a hollow sphere?

Welp, that's a new folder that I got now

The Sylpho-Aryan AGI Nazi Brinker master race will gas the hook-nosed ringleaders of the hypercorp and Titanian circus, string up the mudblooded subhuman troglodytes of the Jovian Republic, and declare open season on the Scum, Solarians, and uplifts.

There are reasons people don't come to this general.

What about the Extropians, Anarchists, Sifters, and Martians?

They can be assimilated without much difficulty, or left alone.

You forgot inhabitants of Horeb.

Check out this sphere morph

youtube.com/watch?v=lb3Riq06fVI

We get a lot of crossposters. It wouldn't surprise me if the person posting most of them were a /k/ommando.

/epg/'s been so hot lately, I've forgotten which archetypal bump images I've used recently.

Hey, what happened to the first fascist poster? Why'd he delete his post?

>not naming it "guaranteed replies on /k/.jpg"

Name?

filename

Wasn't me that deleted it, hoss.

Well that's a stupid reason for a mod delete a post.

Janitors are weird.
Somebody probably reported it, and was like "well, I guess this breaks some rule somewhere".

As much as I want to like this, fabric does not work like that.

Presumably the brace or straps or whatever that thing is under her breasts is the reason they are so pronounced.

Yeah, the reasons for banning don't even match up with what you said. Did he think the "first" was somehow breaking the rules? Did he take offense to the fascism? He probably got really lazy.

That doesn't explain the fabric right underneath in the middle. This isn't the first jap artist to do this kind of bullshit with large-breasted characters.

I dunno, depends on the tension on those straps/brace, if it's tight enough the middle will crease under her breasts along with the sides.

I am glad that there isn't some kind of morality system set up in Eclipse Phase, cause that would needlessly complicate things way too much. There are so many things you could do that might be considered evil by the authors but because of the differing beliefs of people aren't viewed as evil by the players.

Just to name a few off the top of my head we've got:
>Forking
>Freeman morphs
>AGI's
>Bioconservatism
>Authoritarianism
>Uplifts
>Capitalism vs Socialism
>Indentured Servitude

The authors may be biased, but at least that doesn't translate into gameplay mechanics.

Oops, forgot a few:
>Neotenics
>Exhumans
>AI

Yup. Can confirm. Am /k/ommando. Posted some of the nazi pics.

So we know that you could theoretically put an AGI through a VR combat simulation to train it, the question is since the AGI can think faster than humans how many simulations a day could it go through? Assuming one battle simulation last 24 hours, how many battle simulations would an AGI be able to go through in that same amount of time? And wouldn't it be the same as training them in real life, especially if they didn't know it was a simulation? Couldn't you create an army of super soldiers within a decent amount of time with this?

Also, how many resources are available in the outer rim? Since we're talking about fascist brinkers, assuming you had a group of 100 freeman morphs working for you, would you be able to get a base of operations going? Create some battlesuits or HOPLITE suits maybe? Create more Freeman morphs and AGI's? Would you need more men, or is the outer rim just too resource scarce?

Also why does the Captcha always take 10 attempts before it starts working?

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