/swg/ - Horrible Fanon Edition

With the advent of the Rebel Tie fighter, it looks like my Crack Swarm is going to need to throw in some PS 9+ ships to stay relevant. What do you guys think I should add?

I can go with

- Stele with VI and MK2, Howlrunner and 3 black cracks

- Super Vader with a missile/Whisper and 3 omega cracks with WG

What do you guys think? I figure adding an ace would also help my late-game capability as well.

Real Shame vader can't take autothrusters.

I've thought about it, not gonna lie.
But it mostly involves me flying alone in a HWK-290 just fucking off into space by myself with the copilot seat covered in rations and cheap porn rags, the laser turret beneath my feet itching to be shot into space. But I couldn't give less of a shit. I'm so comfy in my pilot chair.
the cockpit smells of nothing but sweat and old ration wrappers. there's so many tiny cockroachesso many

I don't think rebel tie is going to be that much of problem in that you can just shot the rest of the ships.
The bigger problem it represents is EMP and potentially a bomb against your swarm.

>confession time: have you ever fanficced?
Never written it down though, theres a lot of legends I havent read and I wanna make sure It hasnt been done already

Plus its kinda lame anyway

Im thinking of running a legacy era campaign, 127 ABY, for my group in ffg star wars. I have the legacy era campaign guide saga edition but what is a good ship to give a party of 8 of assorted affiliation?

>confession time: have you ever fanficced?
Only if you count RPG campaigns

That EMP does little Ion Torps didn't already do. It will just piss me off to no-end to have a blocker constantly in my face that I can't make into mincemeat.

my 5-omega cracks will likely be still viable, but I'm not sure tie swarms are still that good, since none made top 16 in worlds.

only in my head user

the galaxy's a big place

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If the rebel TIE has enough PS to not be shot, it's going after your swarm, so it's not blocking.

The EMP does things that the Ion Toro doesn't.
It's got better positioning, and doesn't require a roll. And came be shot before it goes off.
No target lock, no firing arc. Just a ship you can't attack with a barrel roll.

The bomb means you can't bring you swarm with range one of where the rebel TIE starts the turn.

>If the rebel TIE has enough PS to not be shot, it's going after your swarm, so it's not blocking.

The Captured Tie mod says that it gets discarded if you shoot. Ashoka will be trying to block/disrupt the swarm is what I am concerned about.

So I killed a PC last session because he insulted my mother right as I was on the verge of falling to the dark side. And I had a lightsaber pointed as his throat and warned him twice not to do it.

His justification was he was trying to make a joke. Again.

is your character an edgelord by any chance?

Which she does with the EMP and bomb.
Which are neither attacks nor blocking as the term is used

>I fanfic about being a NEET in space

Nope. Just had a shit ton of bricks dropped on him during the session all at once. Apparently he was destined to become a Sith Lord according to the Jedi, so they exiled him from his Jedi mother to prevent him from being a Sith. So now he has a seething hatred of the Jedi for having ruined his life and just murdered someone with a lightsaber he found.

It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy.

is cyber tech worth a dip from a fighty career or is it more useful to just start as a tech and out-class into fighty specs?

Is the rebel recruit generic spec any good?

I've writefagged, with isn't quite the same thing. Some short jokey stuff, and a well recieved bit inspired by Engine Hearts.

I'm been tempted to write a Dresden Files/Star Wars crossover set before the phantom menace. Because the paralels are there and DF thinks though a lot of the stuff that SW seems to leave out about how the council would have to operate.

>i post animea reaction images

right, I get that. So I'd like to put a PS 9 ace to murder her with.

Do I put in VI Stele in a defender, or Vader with a missile?

>I namefag

Vader likely.
Also remember that Ahsoka can barrel roll at start of combat if she has a focus, so she can arc dodge.
Still think the better solution is to kill the rest of the list.

>i respond to the threads dedicated shitposter

DEPLOYING BEST GIRL!

The named pilots are pretty cool, but the non-uniques were pretty disappointing in my experience.

My list options are

3 Black Cracks+Howlrunner+VI stele

3 WG Omega Cracks+ Whisper (intel agent, no bid)

3 WG Omega cracks, Vader with ATC, Engine, his choice of missile and EPT.

What do you think will be best in a wave 10+ meta?

That's more like, the Delorean of freighters. A shitty RV with a gun would be the YT-line.

I'd like this more if it didn't spin.

>confession time: have you ever fanficced?
Does forum roleplay count?

yes, and am currently forum roleplaying. I haven't found a game. I blame that but don't really believe it.

The Millennium Falcon’s velocity, many times greater than that of light, was limited only by the density of the interstellar medium she traversed. Ordinary space is mostly emptiness, yet there are almost always a few stray molecules of gas, sometimes in surprisingly complex chemical organization, per cubic kilometer. Any modern starship’s magnetogravitic shielding kept it from burning to an incandescent cinder and smoothed the way through what amounted to a galaxy-wide cluttering of hyperthin atmosphere. But the resistance of the gas was still appreciable through a reduction in the ship’s theoretical top speed.

Old pre WEG EU everybody. Fun little tidbits on hyperdrive ideas.

>What do you think will be best in a wave 10+ meta?
too early too say. we don't know enough about wave 10 yet.

do gay jedi have lightsaber fights using their dicks?

Rate my Rebel endurance list. I'm trying to build something that will cause my opponents to tear their hair out with frustration.

I SEE YOUR SCHWARTZ IS AS BIG AS MINE.

Wait for the rebel TIE.
Biggs+Rex+Kanan.

>he doesn't like a good trick

>there will never be an anthology movie where The Rock plays a bounty hunter chasing a fugitive podracer played by Vin Diesel across the galaxy
;_;

I don't see it.

It's called "force your opponent to roll as few attack dice as possible" the list

They're pretty good high-end fillers.

So what's up with the sudden stop in X-wing newsposts? It's weird how they start spoiling wave X and then just stops. I could understand it if they were avoiding Rogue One spoilers, but why hasn't the quadjumper been posted in that case?

because they kmow we want it so theyre dragging it out knowing they'll get more people seeing their other upcoming stuff

I think it's past time we re-evaluated the PT. It is easy to blindly quote Plinkett and reduce film criticism to a man with a funny voice, but let's try and think.

Firstly, realise the OT was never actually good in the way you think. It is a GREAT Hero's Journey, a rags to riches story, a power fantasy. But it's nothing more. Black and white morality was fine back in the 70s, and it's fine for children, but its day is done.

Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead - gripping, bingeable TV dramas that captivate audiences with grey morality. They show what genre can be.

The PT was the forerunner of these complex, compelling dramas but it came at a time audiences weren't ready. Think about it - it's a dense, political tale of trade alliances and backroom dealings. It doesn't JUST offer whizz bang action - but when it does, it sure as hell delivers, with eye popping duels and madcap set pieces - it shows you the how and why.

And that's the thing - it's not a power fantasy, it's a Sophoclean modern mythology of the "chosen one" tempted and falling into a tragic fate. Luke rises and rises in the OT. Anakin slides into evil and it fits like a glove - the glove of Darth Vader.

I liked the idea of the PT fine, my problems with it lies with the execution. Also, if you don't think the PT has black and white morality I disagree with you.

>Also, if you don't think the PT has black and white morality I disagree with you.

Let's go back to the most famous quotes from the PT: "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil" and "I have the high ground".

Tragedy comes when the individual can't adhere to the rules of the polis, a Greek concept meaning "city" but connoting order and law. Anakin is an Antigone figure, questioning the rules of the Jedi polis - yet in true Grecian style he fails.

But what does this mean? It would be easy to see it as acceptance the Jedi were right all along. The truth is more nuanced. Neither was right. Order was stagnation, but rebellion for selfish ends was no true rebellion.

while the PT could have been done better theyre still good movies.
Not as good as OT. But i meber understold the hate they got and it often seemed a "look how cool i am" nerd trend.

but maybe my experience as someone young enough that episode 1 is one of the "old movies" to me has warped my view.

Bu there's never any question about who's supposed to be Good and Evil. Sure, Evil characters claim not to be, but the narrative makes it very clear who we're supposing to be rooting for. And Anakin gets a very specific point at which he goes from being Good to Evil. There really isn't any moral ambiguity.
Note that this is not critisism. Every story does not need to me a morally complex one, and the OT most certainly wasn't.

I don't know, I was seven when EP I came out. I didn't dislike it, but I can honestly say that I never liked Jar-jar and always preferred the OT.

Is Rebels a must watch for people interested in SW?

>I shitpost with an unrelated image

Nah. But it gets pretty good by season 2.

its not unrelated

>Anakin slides into evil and it fits like a glove - the glove of Darth Vader.

An user right after my heart

>Let's go back to the most famous quotes from the PT: "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil" and "I have the high ground".

The reason they're famous is because they're awkward lines delivered awkwardly. You can't that a black and white morality is out of place in modern times and then put such stiff, flash gordon-esque dialogue in the movie.

>confession time: have you ever fanficced?

Yes
It's a crossover
and not the one in pic

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Kill yourself

I disagree on the Prequels being perfect. They would've been, if they were executed well. The politics didn't make sense, the portrayal of all characters was weird and shifty. If they just COMPLETELY subverted expectations and went for blind Jedi Order that was Knights Templar afraid to lose their power to a stronger Republic-turning-Imperial government, that'd have been great, but in the movie they're kinda stuck inbetween that portrayal and still trying to make them clear cut good guys. If they portrayed the shades of grey more, alongside with a better overall script. I'd love the Prequels if it was more like you described it.

But yes, I agree. Star Wars should stop with the infantile good vs evil worldview and start embracing more grey areas, within both Jedi and Sith. Rebels and Empire. If Star Wars wants to stick to a modern audience, it NEEDS to advance to the future. The EU did that surprisingly well. I endorse something like the Yuuzhan Vong. Note - something like them - not EXACTLY like the Vong. Maybe an anti-Force faction that's made out of regular Joes that target both Light and Dark siders. Maybe a government that 'doesn't discriminate' and follow a specific Force religion and instead enforces only its own government-ran Force User Corps like the Fel Empire.

Anything but a sorry to quote /tv/, glib facsimile, of the Original Trilogy. The OT worked well for its time, but its time to move on. And in a good way, not throwing in minority blacks and women B-list actors that can't act for shit and just recoloring the Empire and Rebellion because of epic nostalgia goggles.

I wrote a fanfic of the Littlest Techpriestess and Loli Boba Fett at the request of Veeky Forums.

Anyone have good stories of when success/failure and advantage/threat came together to produce interesting outcomes, especially building on top of each other?

>The PT was the forerunner of these complex, compelling dramas but it came at a time audiences weren't ready. Think about it - it's a dense, political tale of trade alliances and backroom dealings
Deep Space 9 did all that better, a decade before the PT.

>It doesn't JUST offer whizz bang action - but when it does, it sure as hell delivers, with eye popping duels and madcap set pieces
It's great that you enjoyed the action user, but I thought the action delivered in the PT was a cartoonish cacophony that became boring the second a light saber was activated by any character with plot armor.

>the glove of Darth Vader.
All of this PT mental gymnastics just for a pic related punchline.
Well memed user.

Why does it need to be shades of gray?

What is wrong with big damn heros in what is to be frank a pretty over the top universe?

Such people think that clear-cut heroes and villains are childish and uncool and MUH REALISM.

Aren't the recurring villains of the franchise literal psychopaths hopped up on superpowers fed by their own base emotions?

Yes. But then you have the tide of Imperial apologists brought in by Outbound Flight and the Vong arc.
>He was totally prepping for the Vong guys
>Muh superweapons
>Thrawn did nothing wrong

Pellaeon dindu nuffin.

And ain't that a waste. I would have killed for a book/book serie about Peallon's last ditch attempt as Grand Admiral of the Remnant, fighting the NR in an uphill battle, heroes on both sides, Starfighters of Adumar style ...

Not all Sith have to be clear cut psychopathic assholes. I'd like to see more Sheev-style Sith but on a lesser scale. Some dude that just wants to climb the ladder of the Galaxy and use his powers to advance himself as Senator or corporate leader or some such.

And on the opposite side a Jedi that crusades on everything that he sees as 'Dark Sided'.

The EU shows both of these examples, they also showed honourable Imperial officers, corrupt Rebellion officials and so on, so forth. I'd just like to see this in the movies as well, rather than nostalgia rehashes.

>Not all Sith have to be clear cut psychopathic assholes

Only that's rather what the dark side is. You give in to your fear, your anger, your hatred. You wallow in it, embrace it, making it both your motivation and your method.

That doesn't make for a sane, stable or in any way nice person.

A honourable Imperial officer, sure, it's a job, and plenty of them probably joined up back in the Republican days. Corrupt rebels, easy, chaos and anarchy is always Christmas for the corruptible.

But with Sith one of their major, defining features is in how they work with their mind and emotions, and the way they do that is specifically to let the bad shit run the show.

It's what the Dark Side (and by extension, the Force) is according to some people that badly interpreted Lucas.

No, this has been pretty consistent part of the canon.
It's one of the big parallels I see with Dresden Files. There is moral grey, complex character motivations, even one of the most evil characters gets a moment of human empathy.
But breaking the laws of magic turns you into a monster, unless you have the one artifact that counteracts this .

The dark side works like that, each time you tap into it your mind gets twisted.

Not the case in Legends, which is my case. There you have SWTOR Sith that are reasonable, a Prequel era Sith that is moderate and so on, so forth. I disagree on the Dark Side = cancer thing and prefer the Legends interpretation is what I'm saying.

It's literally called the DARK side.

The dark side is cancer, reasonable sith are the ones smart enough to not jump headfirst into the cancerpool. They still use it, mind you, but they don't rely on it as a crutch until it erodes them to the point they can't not use it.

>The Old Republic
personally, I see this as more deviating from the canon than the legend examples that have the Dark Side turning people more and more evil.

They can be reasonable, they can still be people with more complex motivations, but that doesn't mean that tapping into the dark side isn't twisting them into something more evil.

It would not suprise me in the least if during the rule of two there weren't more than a couple of Sith in the chain who were really Sith in Name only, caretaking the old artifacts, reading the texts and so on but not really a true beleiver in the cause. It'd just be a weird hokey family religion that Uncle Dave passed on to you and one day you'll pass it on to some kid.

Or people who use the texts to try and experiment with that side of the force simply for the sake of seeing what you can do with this stuff, but otherwise keeping their heads down and not really doing anything more but paying lipservice to the whole "Death to the Jedi" thing. Hence people like Darth Plagieus doing ressurection techniques and the like.

It's only when you get a real true beleiver like Palps who actually buys into all of that Sith Vs Jedi stuff, and who really beleives in that whole "kill your master to become the next master" thing that the Jedi actually end up encountering a Sith.

In Sheevs case, not just a Sith, but a Sith with over a 1000 years of darkside experimentation techniques backing him up and the cunning and intelligence to use them.

>that badly interpreted Lucas.
>Legends

If you're the same user then your goalposts are shifting quite a bit. As nice as complex motivations and (well executed) moral relativity are in fiction, we're talking about Star Wars here. At its core, a naive farmboy saved the princess from the black knight by enlisting the rogue with a heart of gold. Blah blah blah Flash Gordon pulp blah blah. saying that there have been interesting additions to the franchise by EU writers is one thing but claiming that Lucas' romanticised samurai flick Buddhism has been misinterpreted by people who don't agree with said EU writers is quite another.

That's something I'd like and is overall seen. Darth Vectivus who was a Rule of Two Sith just stuck to his mining business and experimented with making Force Phantoms as defensive creatures.

Yeah that's what I disagree with. I don't think someone can be wholly evil or wholly good. Certainly not in real life, and characters like that in fiction are cardboard cutouts. Even ol' Sheev had more motivations than just camp evil.

Also at its core, sure, but I think Star Wars needs to evolve past that. Star Trek stopped being about naive peaceful exploration long ago, and I don't mean the JJ-shit, I mean good shit like Deep Space Nine and so on.

Wasn't Palpatine's ambition pretty much just to live forever and rule the galaxy eternally as the one Sith, with a gaggle of highly-replaceable cronies to do his dirty work?

>Even ol' Sheev had more motivations than just camp evil.
No, not really, the vast majority of sources make it abundantly clear that he's in it for power and power only. Every source that says otherwise completely misses the point of the character and his motivations.

One: yes people totally can be completely evil.
The vast majority of people we think of as evil aren't, but there are monster in human skin. Psychopaths, literal psychopaths, they are the exception, and they don't think like people, but their full evil.

B) The vast majority of people not being fully evil doesn't conflict with the dark side being a force that twists you to evil acts.
It makes you worse, that isn't the same as saying it removes any possible hint of goodness.

Deep Space Nine still had monsters, it still had clear good and evil guys. I'd like to pretend the Pah Raith didn't happen too, but they did.

>The vast majority of people we think of as evil aren't, but there are monster in human skin. Psychopaths, literal psychopaths, they are the exception, and they don't think like people, but their full evil.
If its the recent, modern definition of 'psychopath' then that's just ambitious people that don't give a shit whose toes they step on so they can advance themselves. They're selfish and uncaring, but it (usually) doesn't make them genocidal maniacs. In fact, those selfish are LESS likely to rock the boat as long as they keep their lot.

>It makes you worse, that isn't the same as saying it removes any possible hint of goodness.
I agree, Dark Siders wouldn't be angels. They'd still be assholes as stated above on the psychopaths. I'm just saying not every Dark Sider should be the eternal villain to take down and have the sole goal of wiping out the Jedi.

That's sociopaths.
I know the terms get changed a lot, I mean the serial torture and kill types, not the emotional dead ones.

Yeah, sorry. Mixed them up myself. Anyway, I don't think I made what I said clear. I don't think that Sith should be whitewashed into good guys or even grey. A wide variety of them are dicks. I just think there should be OTHER kinds of Sith/Dark Siders shown in wide Star Wars media. More sociopaths in suits (or whatever the SW equivalent is) and less psychopaths in bath robes. Think of Thrawn, who isn't a wholly good guy as some people make him out to be, but as a Dark Sider.

>I don't think someone can be wholly evil or wholly good
And at their core they're not. Anakin wanted to save Padme, Luke was desperate to protect his sister when he was on the verge, they weren't the problem. The dark side of the force was the problem. It was born from their fear and their instability. It grows from more instability and as such it encourages more instability. This being based on old samurai flicks, heroes were expected the endure hardship and accept that which they were afraid of with stoicism. Those who manipulated the force (the natural order of things) to impose their will upon the world (and the path that the force had set for it, destiny and all) were upsetting the natural order. As a general rule mucking about with the natural order is frowned upon. This may sit poorly with many humanist ideals, particularly the part in which suffering is just something that good people have to deal with, but it's something Lucas was a fan of when he was a kid and he put it in his new movie when he finally got a studio to listen to him.

By the end of his arc Vader isn't a man. His affection for his son is drowned out by his own inhumanity, the Dark side has rendered him numb to what should be his driving force and he's reserved to just being a hollow monster. Luke brings him back by appealing to that tiny spark of smothered humanity within him. Vader returns to the light side of the force, a state of balance in which he accepts the will of the force. This not only makes him human again, it sets him so in sync with the universe that he straight up gets to defy death itself by manifesting as a force ghost. (This actually used to be a big deal and filled in for nirvana, back before every sith lord and their dog was doing it because of power creep and writers copying Dark Empire)

Yes, it's dumb and arbitrary but again, Star Wars. It also hopelessly clashes with a shitload of the EU but that's what happens when you let dozens of writers loose at once.

What kind of species do you and your group like to play in the RPGs? Could you pass for a diversity poster, or are you usually humans?

One friend plays a Bothan, other plays a Kel-Dor, another plays a Milrilan and I play a Human.

They've got two NPC allies, one a Twi'lek Rebel Spy and the other a Black Marketeer Human

My Imperial remnant campaign: We've got a Ubese (counts-as human so long as they have at least a nose-hole breather in), a Zeltron mando with focus on the obsessive side Zeltrons have shown, a human Royal guard and an Unknown imperial woman talking over comms that SOUNDS core human.

We also had a female human bounty hunter but they're on hiatus.

In the party before this that fell through a cyborg project by Zsinj's mad scientists that looked human (Counts-as-Gank with tons of augments looks sorta like Glory from the Shadowrun vidya but more streamlined), the same mysterious radio voice, and a human force user.

We got a zabrak, duros, chiss, chadra-fan, and a couple humans