>30k TACTICA & TIPS What to include in a HH list, how to format it, what makes each legion special (crunch), tactics, Tutorials for Heresy-era minis and more pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
>can I too have a bike, father? >no. you are too fat. >you hurt me, father >good I wish they'd drop all the stupid sideplots and just stick with emps giving the bantz.
Bentley Price
>I too wish to go fast I cri errytiem.
Eli Turner
So continuing from last thread Ultras or IW?
Jaxon Martinez
Hows your painting skills? IW are easymode
Owen King
We can tell (You) many things, user. Why don't you tell us what do you like in each of them?
Kevin Nelson
Going to vote for IW just to annoy the anons who claim we have too many IW players in this thread, even though the only IW models you ever see posted are Dantioch's.
What? Who did you think I was going to say?
John Johnson
Not bad but not great either I can paint good Tabletop standard but thats about it I like the determination and the win at all costs mentality of the IW (as well as the artillery) but the UM have a really cool Roman aesthetic and they seem like they can use just about any unit
Carter Morgan
B-but user, there are too many IWs. I don't like that, (You) gotta make me feel comfortable!
John Turner
no, NOT AGAIN
Joshua Gray
White Scars.
Nathan Ramirez
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Christian Russell
Why don't (You) make some test models? I mean their LA aren't thaaaat different. UMs test Fear and Regroup on Ld10, IWs don't test for ranged morale. UMs sort of need multiple small units, depend a bit more on their HQs and use combined arms but not mechanized armies and their RoW isn't that good, but their legion specifics are, while IWs can do blobs, mechanized and spam artillery, good RoWs, good specifics... Ok, maybe they aren't that alike, but the thing is Rome was second to none on the siege thing as well, and if you want glorious aesthetics beyond fearless pioneers, deviously efficient artillerists and ruthless infantry then the UMs are a good choice to consider. I mean, armoured combat engineers became Arditi, which could be represented by despoiler IWs, but then they're also italian, who are descendants of Rome. Sort of. So they're kinda UM too. So they're...Silver skulls? Dammit I'm confused too.
Adrian Collins
what is more important to you guys when picking a new addition to your force?
a) How fluffy it is b) How good it is on the table c) How much you like the model
Nicholas Hughes
Bit of all 3.
I choose mostly for fluff, but I don't want to dump shit tonnes of money into something I can't really use
Hunter Hernandez
The model is the most important bit, followed equally by fluff and crunch. I have a Leviathan painted in edgelord colours and a Malcador is planned for christmas if i can afford it. The Leviathan was something i knew i had to have as soon as it was being showcased, and a cranky dread ripping and tearing through an enemies exposed flanks is properly murderously NL. The Malcador's a lot less fluffy, not outright fluff rape like mkVII but not favoured amongst my legion, however ww2 french tanks are also sex. Maybe i'll buy a second and do a mechanised Pride list at a weekender just to fuck with people building towards my usual cookiecutter Terror Assault
Jace Evans
It's that time again. What would you put in a stormlord.
Landon Carter
Did Alpharius pull astrings to get Drumpf elected?
Gabriel Perry
But...victory
Isaac Bailey
Model probably tops it, given that this isn't exactly a cheap hobby. Then fluff, then tabletop quality, although stuff that's too rubbish won't get picked just for fluff.
Jack Thomas
Thirty Velatarii, all with medics, and a single unit of Charonites with a Lord Marshal. Everything else in my army is Leman Russes and Malcadors.
Damnit now i have to go actually write that list i've been thinking of all week
Isaac Carter
145-Marshal, Displacer, Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Digital Lasers 55-Tank Commander (Stormlord, PE:Infantry) 55-Tank Commander (Valdor, Tank Hunters)
Troops: 5 castellax with targetters and darkfire 700pts 5 castellax with targetters and darkfire 700pts 9 thallax, 3 multilasers 390pts 9 thallax, 3 multilasers 390pts
Fast: 3 vorax with rad rounds 225pts 1 avenger with missile launchers 170pts 1 avenger with missile launchers 170pts
3000pts
Never played 30k, how do people think this would go?
Alexander Wilson
A) Magos must buy a space PHD B) Why are you playing Cybernetica without cyperthurgy?
Nathan Young
The ones that are more fun to paint.
Adrian Miller
I think he's using Magos Dominus? There's presumtious, then obnoxius, then him
Jace White
Dorn and Perturabo worst Primarchs
Dorn >constant look of chronic constipation >weird homosexual attachment to daddy >weird homosexual masochism >Legionaries have weird homosexual fixation on him
Perturabo >fat >like seriously, a real fucking chubster >like, look at his face >legion idolized by Veeky Forums through stale, unfunny memes and Veeky Forums's gay love of all things industrial because FUCK NATURE FUCK ELVES HFY MIRITE >no I mean seriously look at those fat fucking cheeks >beep boop was never funny, IW memes make me cringe
Charles Phillips
Thats what i was intending, its a pity theres not a special force org that can be used to bring multiple baneblades, what with their fluff showing they were usually fielded in companies. You can do Leviathan, but i'd rather have some method outside of Leviathan and its restrictions, which is obviously based around reaver/warlord Titans or Ordinators rather than tanks.
Easton Bailey
user, be an adult, stop trying to shitpost. Let people enjoy whatever the fuck they want. You're part of the reason why stale memes exist in the first place. Live and let live, it's not complicated.
Ethan Morales
You fool! Do you have any idea what you did?! Forget the Ironfire Riders' feelings, you really had to start X Primarch is X debacle?
Robert Rogers
>I don't like IW memes but I can't generate my own, plus I suck elf dick and I don't understand either trenches or Dorn's zeal: The Post This is me, falling for your obvious bait as if it was the Iron Cage. Also, fuck elves.
Sebastian Baker
>generating memes is a good thing >h-he didn't like beep boop... >look at those pussies hiking, what crunchy granola fags, DAE STEM PROGRAMS? XD >iunno man, whenever Dorn gets all sweaty wearing the pain glove it's kind of hot...
Grayson Cruz
It's like you don't even Onslaught or War Machine detachment, from the Age of Darkness book available to any 30k army.
William Hill
muh dick
Jaxon Green
>war machine You mean Leviathan >Onslaught Two Baneblades is not a company, and only two HQ slots mean i can't even give them commanders
Luke Taylor
Seldom do I see IF stuff other than what Unification and I post.
James Hall
Oh man, I totally want to run Salamanders using this Force org, try to represent a Salamanders "totally not Destroyers you guys" Pyroclast Contingent.
Bentley Wood
And what do you know, the Dorn reaction faces shopped into the screenshot show expressions of EXTREME FUCKING CONSTIPATION
Charles Barnes
>You mean Leviathan No, I didn't, but I'm not sure about FOCs that have extra LoW slots. As in, does the 25%pts restriction still apply? I think not. And a War Machine Detachment allows you to bring 2 Superheavies as a single choice. That's 100% more LoW per LoW. But without using anythiing heavier than a Typhon, I'm afraid.
Lucas Bennett
What about teh Covenant of Fire? Troop Pyroclasts ;^) Don't berate Dorn because of his face, user, he was born with that thing! He has five settings only: Regular, Turbo, Constipatus, Pain gLoving and Smuggu. More than what (You) need for Imperial life.
Michael Brown
1 Scorpius or 2 Whirlwinds?
Daniel Nelson
Leviathan allows you to take extra LOW but you'll be lacking in everything else. Thats not a problem when you've got a fucking Warlord or Reaver thats covered in ten million guns and carries the power of an entire army already, but its a bit difficult when you're a Baneblade. Leviathan does lack the 25% rule, however. Baneblades are all 9HP+, so Engines of Destruction, so War Machine has nothing to do with fielding multiple baneblades, hence my confusion. Honestly i think Titans need a price bump, or at least Warhounds, since for less than a hundred points more than a kitted baneblade you can take four turbo-lasers/plasma destroyers which is obscenely better. There needs to be some form of mid-point between lighter superheavies like Knights and Malcadors and the genuine titans like the Ordinators and Battle titans.
Landon Reed
The Macrocarid Explorator is out now.
Justin King
Whirlwhinds are mediocre in 3+ heresyland, Scorpius are only really good if you lack anti-blob, and theres many better (for points) ways to clear blobs.
Nathaniel Clark
Is it good?
Zachary Parker
crossposting for Horus Heresy Chapter Master
Brandon Jones
It's a build your own Land Raider kit, it's great.
Joshua Bell
It's a Build-your-own-Landraider kit with more exotic weapon options. I really like that the kit includes several of the weapon options.
Brayden Morris
Heh, you're right >650pts for 12HP AC Glaive with 48" S8 AP2 Haywire Beam that hits superheavies 1+D3 times >Add 50pts to that >Ordinatus Sagittar with 14HP, AC, starts the game at AV 17/16/13 until it becomes 15/14/13 (does affect incoming D hits), has a 10" D-blast gun >Add 50pts to that >4-D Large blasts on a Warhound, immune to Haywire, 9HP + 2 Voidshields
Dylan Stewart
But where do you download the Heresy mod? Or is it included in the 40k one?
Cameron Mitchell
>660 points for a BS3 baneblade with woo, four non-twin-linked lascannons, a few heavy bolters, a demolisher and a s9 baneblade cannon
Nathaniel White
To keep with the wargear and Rite theme the DAngels have going for them, i present a Firewing focused on flames and choom that i'm drunkenly writing for kicks
Flush them Out-All tree and vegetation-based cover has -2 to their Cover Save. This can remove any cover save offered by the vegetation despite being models being obscured. If a unit lacks Move through Cover and moves through cover affected by this rule, it takes one s3 ap5 hit per model in contact with the trees. Terran Arsenal-All infantry squads can replace their bolters with Volkite Chargers at +5 PPM and Veterans, Destroyers and Assault Marines can replace bolt pistols with Hand Flamers at +5 PPM. Characters can replace bolt pistols with Inferno Pistols for 10 PPM Wrathful Descent-All Veterans and any support squads wielding Meltaguns, Volkite Chargers and Calivers or Flamers can take a Dreadclaw dedicated transport Cowards Burn-Rather than sweeping advance, any fleeing enemy is instead overwatched at BS2, and Wall of Death is in effect.
Restrictions Scorch the Ground-At least two Tactical or Heavy Support squads wielding Volkite, Meltas or Flamers of any description must be taken as an additional compulsory troop, and can be taken as additional troops Receding Firestorm-All infantry must be embarked in a transport at the start of the game Flaming Pride-Challenges must be made or accepted. If an independent character is present in a unit, they must issue or accept the challenge before any other Character. Purging Wave-This rite cannot be taken missions where this side is the defender
Jaxon Long
Here's my first attempt at a Raven Guard list: feedback would be great --- Raven Guard - 2500pts --- - Decapitation Strike - >HQ Chaplain: Artificer, Jump pack, Melta Bombs - 120
>Dedicated Transports Rhino: MM - 50 Rhino: MM - 50 Proteus: TL Las - 210
>Lord of War Corax - 450 2500/2500pts
Angel Parker
Which Primarchs do you think actually had sex?
Leo Taylor
Your prices for Vets are all fucked up, you need to buy missile launchers then upgrade them to take flakk, so they'd be 230 each
Its generally easiest to put the dedicated transports with the unit they're transporting, so we can get that figured.
I would suggest increasing the Mor Deythan, as they're a unit tat gets deadlier the more points you sink into it. 30k in general is very much a boys before toys environment when dealing with infantry.
Overall, not a bad start. Corax is good since with his invisible thing he doesnt need an entourage, soyou've managed to avoid the common noob trap of the 1100+ point spartan deathstar
Easton Rogers
>death guard special rite of war reduces forests' cover by -1, 50% of the time >suggestion: every forest on the table gets -2 cover, 100% of the time Will you stupid faggots please read other legion's rules to get an idea of the typical powerlevel before making your idiotic suggestions?
Ian Collins
>Different Rites of War aren't allowed to have different perks Plus DA rites are stronger by necessity to compensate for having the worst LA rule hands down.
Ian Ramirez
>10x Vet Tactical Squad: 2x ML w/Flakk, Artificer - 180 that's 230 in my book
Luis Fisher
>death guard get shrouded all the time in that one >death guard get buffed frag >death guard get decent LA >death guard get characters and special units
>must take four troops >must be in a vehicle >must accept challenges with your shitty generic characters
The whole point of the DA Hexagrammaton is good Rites and nothing much else, all this gives is new wargear and burns away forest-based cover, while giving a pile more restrictions, as well as a variant of the mediocre stand and shoot thing the Immortals can do.
Matthew Wood
Sorry about that. Here's a "fixed" list --- Raven Guard - 2500pts --- - Decapitation Strike - >HQ Chaplain: Artificer, Jump pack, Melta Bombs - 120
Thank you Forest burning is taken. Even though that's what the Lion does in that novel. And it counters NL shenanigans... Dammit you're totally going to get the forest burning rite along with the Destroyer rite, aren't you. Fucking Illuminati.
Juan Bell
Flakk missiles are pretty terrible anyway, bring a plane of your own, fluffy, cooler looking and better.
Dylan Rogers
He's one sexy bastard. So perfect. No wonder he get laid.
For Fulgrim it isn't sex if you don't rend your partner and snort its remains mixed with crak-o-dril at the end.
Colton Bell
Srry user, but I can't delay breakfast any more. I've been memeing since 5 am :)
Jeremiah Cruz
preferred enemy:trees is about as Dark Angel as you can get I figured it was a pretty good representation of what happens when a bunch of pyros burn down your trees, rather than the whole bombardment and mists thing the Death Guard do. Its also a tactic they did use
Kevin Gomez
I'm going to Move Through Cover and phosphex your face off.
Wyatt Adams
And in return, the First is gonna CHOOM you and flame you when you break, because back in my day, we didnt have fancy bolters or AP2 weaponry or legion buffs
Ryan Wilson
Actually, the 1st legion likely had the least amount of Volkite out of all the legions, due to Mars' distrust of them, meaning they had the smallest Mechanicum fleet out of all the legions, as well as having been outfitted with Terran bolters from the Terawatt clans prior.
If anything, the IVth had the greatest amount due to them stockpiling on literally everything.
Brandon Davis
>Forest burning is taken. Because that's a totally unique concept.
Nathan Brooks
If there where solid HH rules for Battle fleet Gothic, would you play it?
I'm talking about both sides having access to the same kit, customized battle barges, no filthy xenos, and correct-for-the-period ships and weaponry.
Josiah Long
Good. I doubt the UMs burn forests, no matter how Roman they are. Only DA and DG did that. Or hand out the deforestation RoW to all legions.
Adam Roberts
I'd be interested but even though I'm far from skint, there's only so much money I'm willing to spend on this shit.
Brandon Rogers
>If there where solid HH rules for Battle fleet Gothic, would you play it? No, but I would still shitpos about it in the general :^)
Jack Ward
You're a shit post.
Logan Stewart
>Plus DA rites are stronger by necessity to compensate for having the worst LA rule hands down. that is not true their LA is strictly better than say death guard or word bearers' one just because it has literally no downsides i personally think that DA is one of the top tier legions in terms of competitive play along with AL and IH
Joshua Foster
don't take flakks for the veterans it's overcosted and inefficient as fuck if you need AA take it from elsewhere like mortis boxnaught with AC + HKM
Hunter Nelson
As water is wet, although here has out-shitposted me. I least I read the HH books.
Sebastian Butler
Can someone convert it, when I try it stuck. Or someone can tell me how to convert files like this to pdf?
Tyler Garcia
This is a much more optimized version of your list, while not being minmaxed WAACfaggotry it avoids the most common pitfalls (small units, flakk missiles, etc). This is not gospel truth, and the list overall lacks a lot of antitank power. You could replace the second dark fury/chaplain with anything else, i just added it to make up points.
>Elites 10x Mor Deythan: 10x combiweapons, Artificer - 315 [Pod: 35] 10x Vet Tactical Squad: Artificer - 170 (Marksman tactic) [Rhino: MM - 50]
>Fast Attack 10x Dark Fury: Melta Bombs - 330 10x Dark Fury: Melta Bombs - 330
>Heavy Support Deredeo: Aiolos ML - 220
>Lord of War Corax - 450
Caleb Flores
The Ordo Reductor will do it better with an entire map treated as open ground, the most modular artillery ever made and with Power of the Machine Spirit, tough jetpack troops with powerful guns, cheap as hell fearless infantry and scoring assault vindicators.
Power Creep, ladies and elegan/tg/entlemen. (You get cheap plastic box sets, I'm not sorry)
Jordan Kelly
Who had sex:
Fulgrim (obvious) Sanguinius (had a waifu) Russ (can't imagine otherwise) Guilliman (the normallest primarch, probably did it just to have the experience) The Khan (same reason as girlyman)
Almost certainly hadn't: Magnus Lorgar Perturabo Curze Ferrus Lion (at least when it comes to hetero) Dorn
Isaiah Watson
wat >Covenant of Death: If your opponent finishes the game with more units than you they get D3 victory points am i being baited
Ethan Mitchell
that is hardly a downside if your roster and tactics are good you never let that happen and even if that happens that means that you would have lost anyway because of an opponent's overwhelming advantage
Asher Wilson
Most certainly you are, user.
Brandon Nelson
Let's creep together, Reductor-kun! Morturg-Decima style, Bad Cop & Even Worse Cop! Here's hoping the Reductor Magos gets a Power Metal miniature some day.
William Moore
>get +0.5 WS if using a sword >top tier
Explain yourself to someone who wants to believe
David Myers
>tfw want to start up an Ordo Reductor force >also want to get Blood Bowl I'm very indecisive today.
Henry Turner
>its not a downside >just build your list around it >and dont be shit and lose Its something that can turn a close match into a loss, because your opponent happens to have more units than you at deployment. What happens if you're facing World Eaters/Death Guard/Solar Auxilia/Militia/Daemons? Thats not something that can be dealt with by rostering, especially since both of the Rites you gain most of your advantages from push you to small, elite armies unless you rhinorush Ironwing and avoid the BS5 upgrades for actual tanks, which is the biggest draw for using Ironwing along with Tank Hunter dreads
Ayden Jones
>tfw you gain 3VP as SA simply because you can outnumber everyone in the game with 360 Troops.
Christopher Bennett
The Church of the Crater calls to (You), Reductor-kun, to uncover the mysteries of shot and shell, to thread the Loop of Erradication. Also, what is blood bowl?
Carter Adams
The trips. The double dubs. It is a sign, man!
Parker Reyes
I found it in the Chapter Master thread on bay12
Daniel White
Destroy the enemies of the Quest for Knowledge, then use your minis to play Counts As Blood Bowl. Easy.
Aye, I wish they'd added a thing in the Taghmata list that makes DG and OR Sworn Brothers. Failing that, let us take Morturg in the Istvaan Survivors FoC with Decima. So far when I play with DG friend he brings termies and Morty, I bring Thralls, Thallax and Scoria, and we both bring far too much phospex. It's a bonding/burning experience :)
Nathaniel James
it is 1 ws and yes that's a good bonus worse that BA's one but very good also LA is not what makes DA top tier it is the combination of LA + ironwing protocol + unique wargear that does
it's the roster to beat in my local club: praetor jetbike/acid rounds/terranic greatsword/iron halo/digital lasers 205
right now it manages to keep 22/3 win rate during the current campaign two of it's three losses are mine to brag about my traitor allies just can't beat it it's not OP by any means but it's very strong
Ayden Ramirez
>360 Troops that is merely a shitty meme i haven't seen anyone with at least 120 auxilaries and i'm playing this shit for almost three years
