Infiinity General: Maintenance Battalion Edition

>remove nomad.hta

To be somewhat topical.

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I'm hoping that we'll get a tech bee like that.

3 Free Coordinated Orders in the game is massive. Particularly for moving up with double-moves, in which case it equals 12 orders worth of actions, for free.

Otherwise, getting Bounty Hunters and WarCors regular is nice.

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The words that inspire every new generation of PanO Warriors.

Oh god that bullshit on the forum they knew what the game was like art direction when they first joined. Why the fuck do SJWs have to push their agenda in every hobby they get into?

Well done lad.

Which factions are good for beginners to best grasp the mechanics of the game. And should I start sectorial or vanilla?

Because they're insecure and got far too much cortisol in their system.. That is all there is. Crippling insecurity and inability to simply ignore everything that doesn't quite fall in with their standards along with an overwhelming desire to virtue signal in order to feed their egos. It's a volatile combination and turns people into complete tools.

News from Bostria in the Pangalactic tournament of this weekend in Madrid:

>Seed-Soldiers WON'T BE THE LINE TROOP OF SEF ANYMORE.
>There will be a new line troop.
>Seed-Soldiers won't disappear, but be transformed in something new
>Design: there was a time that Umbras were to be the design of the new Shasvastii. Obviously, that idea was discharged.

Well done m8, which army you won it with?

It's this bullshti that has crept in all facets of soceity that is why trump won, why brexit happened and why the right in gaining power in Australia and Europe turns out white men don't like being told they are scum of the earth for white male and straight.

PanOceania or Morats. PanO's whole shtick is that they're better at shooting/tech level but have few tricks and subtlety. Morats, a CA sectorial, are as simple as a brick to the face and hurt just as much. And later on you can expand into generic CA which has a ton of tricksy stuff.

What's the point of virtue signaling anyway? I mean, the ideologues won't care about what you do or say but what the party line says, if the party changes you'll be cast aside like trash. And decent people will look more at what you do anyway.

I'd buy one.

Because they haven't learned that there's such a thing as unwanted help.

By signaling their mighty virtues they hope to gain Internet (or real life) credit. They just want approval from other people.

They are the unsung heroes of the PanO military. They don't do it for the adulation; It's enough just knowing that every TAG and Remote functions without a hitch.

I really hope CB doesn't cave in to the loud minority.

Also it's like they willfully ignore that it's a hobby and they can paint or alter their toys however they want...or simply not buy it.

The fabulous Tohaa Trident, my friend.

When I look at the various sectorials for the different factions, I can often see what they do differently from each other and what they can do over vanilla pretty easily. But, I've been having trouble with the following:

>Military Orders
All the units that get upped availability are units you don't want to put even more of in a list because they are expensive as fuck and many of these units are just weaker versions of better shit in vanilla and the other panoceania sectorials. Is this the "I hate myself" sectorial?

>All of ariadna
The sectorials each do the exact same thing vanilla does and the exact same thing the other sectorials do (cheap garbo spam in specialist and cammo flavors) with the only real difference being in aesthetics. What is going on with this shit?

>I really hope CB doesn't cave in to the loud minority.
Well, they start making really hot models since 2th edition and didn't stop it still, the best what we can do is support CB.
May be we should hint these that they are welcome in Warhammer, I hear GW refusing make attractive models.

Well done fellow Tohaa player

>May be we should hint these people

Are they really flat out refusing? Even if they sculpted nicer faces, that heroic scale is just plain goofy lookin'; there's a massive error in translation when you compare their model to their own artwork.

>Are they really flat out refusing?
IMO, but 8th ed. witches were pretty hot, but new Allariele looks like big man with tits and in Silver Tower they replaced female witch by male half-naked assasin (or EBIL bladedancer, I am not sure).

MO gets the Magister link.

CHA gets Wallace lieutenant and some good links like the Grey HMG+Volunteers.

FRRM gets some decent links and arguably the most useful infiltrator.

USAriadna gets Grunt spam and Marauder links.

Mostly sectorials are good for link teams.

>CA sectorial centering around assimilated humans and/or Tohaa
Yea or nay?

Certainly would enjoy more Trihedron units

Well fluff already mentioned the one Tohaa planet which was occupied by CA, but then Tohaa retake it, but found that local population was okay and even more, they now calling main Tohaa forces a traitors

sepsitors are a hell of a drug

I'd be down for that. I always thought a pure Trihedron sectorial would be a bit much since Tohaa already have their own faction, but a Trihedron+human collaborator one seems cool.

Oh sure and the Juan Diaz daemonettes are still quite nice. But they all still have those goofy proportions. I've only seen the bug lady because a friend wants to commission me to paint her....I was not impressed.

They really ought to take notes from Infinity, Kingdom Death, Ragin Heroes.

Nah. But maybe more of them in Onyx though. Maybe Ko Dali will make it into Onyx in Paradiso N3 or whatever the next book is

Sepsitors are expensive. The real key to running your evil empire is to only be evil to those who oppose you. Quietly kidnap and reeducate dissidents, but keep everything else running as normal. You barely even need propaganda at that point (but you should continue making it anyway) as the people realise that the crap their former government was spouting about you being horrible and oppressive was mostly bullshit, and that all their suffering and fear was for for nothing.

The problems only start when you kill off large numbers of people and make things obviously worse. So don't do that.

and by the EI bent fluff all they want their subjugated entites to do is pay some taxes, provide military support to the army and continue developing their AI's in support of the EI.

This is what I love about Infinity, even the "aliens bent on the distruction of all humanity" aren't actually all bad, our benevolent AI isn't entirely nice, the various powers in the human sphere that have some really nice policies but are all hiding attrocities away from the public eye.

everything is shades of grey.

it's also one reason I'm mildly disapointed in the RPG, because they've decided, I assume to assist GMs, to pin some stuff down as objective rather than leaving all the sources of fluff as entirely subjective and biased. Although I suppose you could just interpret every bit of fluff in a factions chapter/book as being propaganda.

It's astonishing that hasn't happened yet. A CA list featuring lots of recycled human units with EI overseers would do wonders in increasing sales related to CA units. One could even start such a list with a 2playet starter and random EI blisters.

Talking about two player starters, I do wonder what's keeping them from trying to release one featuring a single faction. Dunno, Caledonia vs USARF or Bakunin vs Corregidor. Stuff like that. Would be much more attractive to buy for yourself, while still functioning as a two player starter.

its a few stupid community members, not some cultural boogeyman. Dont overreact.

probably that sectorials aren't particularly newb friendly, having two distinctly different looking forces helps new players identify the diferent forces even when unpainted, having two different factions means that when played outside of the written missions tutorial with the full rules they have more notable diferences in advantage at the ~180 point level and finally because 2 seperate factions each with their own unique for the box model means they hit two faction audiences at once, and some fraction of those people will end up starting collecting a second (or N+1th) force instead of splitting it with another person meaning they can increase the number of potential model sales from each specific player.

Also it's worth noting that each box so far has heralded the re-sculpting of a main faction starter box and sectorial starter re-sculpts seem to be on their own schedule in between the starter box releases.

The local store hasn't sold a single red veil since release and the icestorm gathering dust was bought by the local warcor to run demo games. A lot of people don't want a chunk of an army they don't want to use.

USAriadna boxes have sold well, on the other hand.

Between Fraacta, Maakrep and what is often assumed about the Nexus we already sorta have that in Onyx. It's obviously not the main focus, but still...
Not that I would be opposed to more Sygmaa units, because the two we already have are aces. Give me the missing HMG Maakrep, then work from there.

>All the units that get upped availability are units you don't want to put even more of in a list because they are expensive as fuck
This is where you're incorrect. Knights are cheap as chips by HI standards, Hospitallers are cheaper than ORCs. They are only "expensive as fuck" if you subscribe to the kurwaspam mentality of "everything more expensive than 30pts is literally unplayable". Not to mention that with BS14 base on everything that isn't Magisters, 2 Wounds, Stealth by Marital Arts and Arm 3-4 they are a pain to get rid of.
I had a friend who used to be very kurwaspam until he got steamrolled by a full Hospitaller link with Joan in it. He still plays spammy lists (he plays Haqq after all) but he treats it more like a gimmick now and has seen value of expensive units.

>The sectorials each do the exact same thing vanilla does and the exact same thing the other sectorials do
There's slight differences: FRRM is all about camo spam, Caledonia is more CC focused and has a lot of smoke and funky links (and Wallace) while USARF is just plain tough as nails, with less emphasis on tricks (like, even their 10pts line troop has ARM3).

>fabulous Tohaa
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Nexus are their own minor species.

Is that confirmed? People have been speculating about how they might be sepsitorized humans for a while.

Order Sarges are handy in MO but premium costed to oblivion in vanilla, they also give Konstantinos an interesting second use.

Do kind of agree on vanilla Ariadna though. Probably more of the characters like Uxia/Bruant/Van Sant should be made sectorial only. They've already got the right idea with Scot Wallace lists which play clearly differently, just extend it a bit.

>sepsitorized humans
that's...actually a nice idea. Better than just another generic evil-looking alien race.

Fluff says so. The EI takes capable young males from some low-tech shithole and then hands them to the Umbra, who put them through unnecessarily cruel training that kills most and turns the survivors into tough motherfuckers.

We don't know what they're going to look like. I have hope that they might not look generically evil like their Umbra masters. Ah, who am I kidding. They're going to be generic as fuck.

If I might ask good sir, could you share list and insight with this lowly new player?

Could you give an example as to what they pinned down as objectives?

some would argue that we've already got 6 human factions do we really need alien humans added to that

objective as in the oposite of subjective, ie this thing is an unbiased fact, it is not simply someones opinion.

if you read the fluff in the rulebooks 90+% of it has after the text a source from where the text came from, and most of it is either overly positive towards a certain faction/entity or overly negative, you get a lot of ALEPH is good, ALEPH is great, they love us and only want our success from panO and Yu Jing sources, and you only get ALEPH is evil and is controling us all through Maya and wants us to all stay on the ends of its strings stuff from the Nomad sources.
The RPG sourcebooks don't have any of that.

>aliens bent on the distruction of all humanity

I think EI just want to subjugate the entire human to their will, not demolish them. Thats why sepsitor is a thing in Infinity, they tought that humanity was worthy enought to be keeped around so they'll need some "agents" to bent all of them to their will bit by bit.

Or its other way around?

I agree with this poster.

How about instead of adding new factions with a handful of models these fucking portoricanmexicanbeaner fucks try making models (and rules, sup MRRF) for the shit that still doesn't have it?

They're literally going the 40k route of constantly adding "sweet kewl" new stuff instead of finishing up the stuff they already started.

Literal faction ADHD going on over at CB.

And the worst fucking part?
You niggers want another faction that's literally "Guys in space, BUT THESE GUYS WERE MADE BAD" I mean holy fuck at least ask for something interesting.

>90+% of it has after the text a source from where the text came from,
Interestingly, the bit of N3 talking about how the Sygmaa Trihedron is fully justified in its crusade against the filthy lying Trinomial has no source attributed to it.

from the sources from inside the human sphere they're painted as an alien threat that wants to kill us all, the toha also tell the humans this.

both of these are unreliable sources, the humans are scared of an external threat that has only shown agression so far, the Tohaa have been at war with the EI for generations and so are telling us what they think of the EI and also wanting to manipulate us into supporting their war effort.

The sources from inside the EI (the CA chapter of the rulebooks) paint an image of life under the EIs rule being more or less the same as life before the EI just now with even better tech. all you have to do is accept EI into your life (and your head) and pay some minor taxes and it lets you govern your own planets and you can feel safe protected by the combined army (which you must support with troops and/or supplies). Oh and keep building that AI so we can get as many different minds working on this ascension problem.

>it's also one reason I'm mildly disapointed in the RPG, because they've decided, I assume to assist GMs, to pin some stuff down as objective rather than leaving all the sources of fluff as entirely subjective and biased. Although I suppose you could just interpret every bit of fluff in a factions chapter/book as being propaganda.
It works a lot better this way when it's supposed to be a world for an RPG game rather than some background for pushing miniatures around. The way fluff is presented in official books is annoying at times, you end up not knowing much more than you did before. You get that there is a Helot rebellion movement called Libertos, but what exactly Helots *are* is not explained anywhere outside the Varuna excerpt from the RPG, and even there it only has a broad physical description, although their ecology is thoroughly explained (but not what do PanOs actually use them for). OR Hassassin society being only described as spooky, mysterious and fanatical, which is no help at all when someone wants to play a Hassassin.
Or just little funny stuff like pic related. Not mentioned anywhere in HSN3.

this is why I didn't say 100% because I hadn't read the books in the last few days and I was sure there'd be some edge case bullshit. we can assume that the source of that is someone from inside the Trihedron rather than outside it.

However given some of the more classified stuff which is written in Paradiso about what the Tohaa were up to, I would not be surprised if the Trinomial were bending the truth (you alegedly can't lie in the Tohaas native tongue, but the Sidhe have always been known for being unable to tell lies yet still mislead)

On the other hand the other unsourced bit in paradiso that I remember is where it talks about the ancient alien recording device things and the war between those who protect them and those who want to crack them open and drink their knowledge and that one of the reasons the Tohaa have been adjusting the truth for humanity has been that we were an almost perfect example of the kinds of races that become seekers (those who want to crack open the knowledgepods and drink their insides) like the EI and they hope that by pitting us against the EI they might have sort of manufactured another defender.

Hassassins are just government funded extremists. Just think of terrorist fucks who kill you for not being their Islam.

They are missing impersonators that explode upon being discovered, tho.

It's a little more nuanced than that.

The real question is who puts that shit on Maya. Does the EI employ professional shills?

on the other hand a book full of rumours and mildly unclear things gives GMs a lot of room to make their own content between the lines, you could in fact run any sort of campaign as your own interpretation of the setting using the various sources as varying levels of gospel.

The downside to that approach is that you require the GM to interpret everything for the players and the players may come to different conclusions without GM intervention creating some confusion.

There are positive reasons to go both ways, I just personally prefered things being less clear cut and more ambiguous so you could paint anyone as the bad guy.

the problems settingwise of nailing things down is that you do have to say who is right and who is wrong, for example, aleph is good and Nomads are just deluded non-conformists who are scared of an imagined big brother.
We don't have the Nomad book yet so I can't say what the RPG says about them, but the Aleph chapter says pretty clearly that Aleph just wants to help us survive and expand and lots of other lovely stuff.

You speak as it would be an entire faction of sepsitorized humans when in reality it's just a single unit with a couple of models total at best.

Also it's nothing but appropriate that Onyx get access to those, seeing as sepsitorized humans would be very useful in covert operations against their former brothers of the Human Sphere.

Onyx is already a garbage tier edge lord faction.

well I assumed that the CA sections of the rulebook weren't on maya.
However, the EI almost certainly employs professional Shills, we just haven't seen them because the EI has decided at least initially we'd respond better to the stick rather than the carrot.
That said, if that kind of info did appear on Arachne and Maya it'd probably have been planted by the EIs numorous infiltrators and spies that it's managed to sneak in to the sphere according to the campaign paradiso book.

>Not wanting to eat people with your giant normal sized spooky shadow vampire alien

We'll know for sure if they're actually nailing things down or just giving you a biased view when the Tohaa and EI bits come out.

There's also meant to be an introduction to the gazetteer section, which may include a big 'this information is biased' label.

I (the first post you linked to) never actually said it was a bad idea, I was just playing devils advocate.

That said I think it's more interesting to keep the sepistorised humans thing to a minimum at least until we start getting to Acheron Falls or campaign: Earth, for now a couple of special characters show off that it's a thing without making it look like they've got entire forces of them. I also don't think there's a whole lot of CA players who would want more humans considering they probably went CA at least partially because they weren't human.

I hope so, I think the best way to do it would to just tweak it slightly so that it's easier to make the argument that it's not entirely true so you can chose which bits to believe and which are fabrications of your enemy.

Personally my campaign is probably going to be an Aleph trouble shooting squad anyway, so far I just haven't decided if they'll be legit and working for the O12 bureaus or not.

>We don't have the Nomad book yet so I can't say what the RPG says about them, but the Aleph chapter says pretty clearly that Aleph just wants to help us survive and expand and lots of other lovely stuff.
We already know that ALEPH outright attacked Bakunin and denies it, so while it may be "benevolent", it does not like people living off the grid and manipulates information. It is not a brainwasher, it is a social media turned up to 11 kind of thing, where people give themselves to it willingly because of all the cool stuff it offers. It does not intimidate people into obedience, it sells them it.

They're actually just a glorified intelligence agency with a hard-on for public assassination. They only kill the people who make too much of a fuss about the shady things Haqq does, rather than everyone different to them.

Hey, Batroids and Sygmaa are alright. It's just the Umbra that go full coldsteel

Government funded MODERATE extremists. Kek.

and that's more or less what the aleph chapter says, it does say that Aleph is concerned about the existance of a blackspot in its awareness because its predictions and advice is based off being nigh omnicient and being able to compute probabilities using vast quantities of data to arrive at most probable best actions. Basically it predicts the future, and the existance of three ships worth of humans doing stuff outside its awareness and actively fighting against its influence makes those predictions less accurate.
those particular bits are also, interestingly, written as if someone is talking to aleph itself.

to most people it does just sell them obedience by making it just so damn convenient to be plugged in (like google these days) however I'm pretty sure in the books somewhere it does imply that it also uses its vast amounts of information to nudge people in the directions it wants by manipulating the information around them. Which may lead to other people intimidating the people into obedience without dirtying the hands of aleph itself

Best part is, the government can't really control them. They can only assign watchers like the Angry Asawira to make sure the assassins don't get up to any traitorous shit.

I'll admit I've not read those chapters in a while but I didn't think that the whole public part of the assassination was a thing they went for, but they were definitely quite comfortable with suicide missions.

They're basically just a vaguely controled intelligence agency made up of patriots who are willing to die for their country, and to do whatever is necessary to keep their country and its secrets safe.
Which when compared with what the Hexahedron is doing isn't all that bad.

They do a bunch of other spy agency stuff (espionage, counter-intelligence, training insurgents, etc) but pretty much. They're like Hexas, but bigger and louder.

>Angry Asawira

Is this some sort of meme?

It's in the Fiday fluff. They're meant to make their kills as public and flashy as possible, because being feared is the only way the Old Man of the Mountain can get his rocks off.

They're basically the same as the Hexahedron, just less controlled.

Someone suggested an Angry Marines paint job on Asawira to make it clear Asawira is outside the Hassassin Brotherhood.

>Hexahedron
Actually, what are those guys doing? CIA doing CIA stuff?

>for not being their Islam.
Actually fluff mentioned "Haqqislam nation", if I remember correctly.

They basically sabotage any attempts by Yu Jing or other minor powers at diminishing PanOceania's dominance through subterfuge and illegal activities.

>Yu Jing or other minor powers
>OTHER minor powers
[angry chinese noises]

That doesn't seem so much asshole-ish, but rather sensible.

>They're meant to make their kills as public and flashy as possible,
So they are IRG/Mossad

They seem awfully chummy with the dear Brotherhood though.

Making sure the wageslaves don't rebel against their megacorp masters.

Don't worry, the boys and girls in blue are always willing to help the less fortunate.

>her panties are actually more modest than her uniform
Truly, PanO is the master of the human sphere for a reason.

>covert paramilitary operations, destabilization missions, training of rebel troops, key target abductions, interrogation sessions, and ‘termination of targets with extreme prejudice’
Yeah, CIA stuff. YJ seems to divide such roles between agents and Ninjas, while Haqq has the Hassassins, Aleph has Dasyus and Nomads have the Black Hand.

That was supposed to be a Fusilier from the starter, not the Tech Bee.

So a Hexa would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?