We can all name a dozen high INT/low WIS characters, but what are some examples of low INT/high WIS characters?

Is that a "Methods of Rationality" reference?

int is book smarts, wis is street smarts. my sister would be hi int low wis, shes a genious, but isnt smart enough to know not to walk alone at 1 am in a shit neighborhood

No, I just want to rape someone.

Guts.

>Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit
>Wisdom is knowing tomatos don't belong in a fruit salad

>Intelligence is the Harvard educated lawyer
>Wisdom is the street smart detective.

Well, alright.

Shes pretty juicy.

So intelligence is the "sciences", wisdom is the "arts" sorta thing?

>But the line [between INT and WIS] is somehow blurred and distorted.

The original six stats from D&D are not exactly the best way to model a characters' natural abilities. The fuzzy distinction between the mental stats is one of the bigger reasons.

Where do you live?

jesus christ user.

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My pick is Captain Tylor here.
I think there's great wisdom to his life philosophy.

But I think Luna's pretty smart, she just had a different set of beliefs.

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>Jayne Cobb
I mostly agree. His wisdom seems specialised though.
>sense motive(enemy): +4
>sense motive(woman): -4
But then, he's wise enough to not kiss them on the mouth, so I guess I agree.

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>Forrest Gump
This is the post to beat.
Dang fine example.

I remember hearing there are more sexual assaults during the day.

Regular assaults are probably more at night.

This would be sensible if I could cite something reputable.

No, because you'd be wise enough not to major in art if you want to make money.

"arts" are all about "philosophy", and "experiences" though.

It wasn't about choosing one or the other, rather more about what they rely on.

He's not that low int, but what about good ol' Samwise Gamgee?

He wont save your sister if I find her.

Intelligence is knowing facts, making connections, and innovating.
Wisdom is common sense, practicality, awareness, and gut feeling.

Ask a wizard about the planes and he'll give a speech about their properties or some shit. A druid will give you practical advice like 'Don't fuck around with the plane of rosebuds, its not what you think'

I know, but I saw the opportunity.

He's more clever than most of the hobbits, id argue for something like
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Pic related is high Int low Wis, as all Wizards are wont to be.

>Now all I want to know is what the hell the Plane of Rosebuds is

Fair enough.

I have problems with wisdom being boiled down to intuition. Philosophy seems like something that should fit into wisdom, but philosophy as we know it is fairly knowledge-intensive. I guess it goes back to the stats not being very well distinct from one another.

I remember hearing about a mathmatician who was not very smart. He made some breakthrough in mathematics that took hard work, not intelligence.

So I guess theres not a good way to show someone who's well educated rather than gifted mentally using our lovely six stat system.

Gotta remember that Wisdom is classified as a mental stat for a reason, the two are intrinsically tied together at some point, just like the physical stats are.

If you really wanna obfuscate things, consider that the concept of self would be governed by charisma, and that means that a great deal of philosophy would be entirely charisma based.

I never thought about the connection between charisma and philosophy.

I suppose thats because charisma is typically a mixed bag of "random social ability"

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The fuck, when was Luna in a rape dungeon?

This is probably the most standard Veeky Forums example.

He can make shotguns out of nothing with his arcane knowledge, but he's bluntly unaware of the consequences of doing so.

I would fit philosophy under awareness. Philosophers tend to make people aware of shit like their own existence, the meaning of things, and ideas.

Only in Malfoy's imagination.

And I guess Harry's after Malfoy brought it up.

I mentioned to my wife that you suggested Luna Lovegood had low intelligence.
She called you a cunt and went on to creative actions she might take if she came upon you in a dark alley.

I'd say that goes to wisdom. Wisdom is usually the slower working of the two, a study work that grinds into understanding.

Brokeback mountain

Well that's disappointing. I always hoped Luna was going to end up with Harry.

Its probably easier to see a high intelligence low wisdom Luna Lovegood. Or maybe Low Charisma since she doesnt seem to give a fuck about other peoples' beliefs when compared with her own.

Well, Methods of Rationality only goes over the first year, and Luna's shifted to be a year their junior. So maybe its anyone's game.

To be clear both to you and whoever else might be following this string, Methods of Rationality is a well written Harry Potter fanfiction, that was, for a long time, written as a web fiction thing. Like "Worm" I guess. Except I think I enjoyed MoR more than Worm.

It's got nothing on My Immortal.

Man, I just finished reading MoR.

I was excited for a few seconds.

Fuck you.

>Luna
>Low INT
You are aware she's in the House for brainy people right?

Wisdom lets you choose the correct option
Int gives you more options.

Low Charisma easily, Harry and Ginny are the only people who give her the time of day.

I'd argue that his highest score is charisma.
Sam would totally be bard

Didn't he take advanced physics courses to even out his shitty math grades to remain academically eligible for football in the book?

Gah, not math. English. Bloody fuck, how'd I mix that one up.

Why would anyone ever reference that awful fanfic?

To make rape jokes?

Street smart, quick on his toes, savvy, but barring his knowledge of the Falcon, not really 'book smart'

Aside from it also being message fantasy, I found it to be better than average fanfic.
But that's like a better than average 3rd grade musical; it's not saying much.

>Plane of rosebuds
So it's a plane full of nothing but child sized sleds and nostalgia?

no

Would this little dude from the old Bionicle Flash game count?

I suggest r/animorphs, if you want something arguably better by most standards

There are several reasons why thats retarded

Because it's funny, user. Nothing complicated about it

11 year old Draco leisurely planning out his rape dungeon because he's literally been raised to be evil is hilarious to anyone with thick skin and a sense of humor. You're missing one or the other.

And making the worst decisions, like messing with the hutts, going outside for the night in a deadly snowstorm, believing his psycho son.

WIS is clearly his other dump stat. He is a pure DEX/CHA character

>Knows parsecs aren't a unit of time, hopes desert yokels he's scamming won't know

Chewie really is the brains between the two of them.

There's nothing funny about rape, except clown rape, but aside from that, nothing funny about it.

They've clarified this. The Kessel run is about finding the shortest route through a very dangerous part of space, not the fastest.

I don't have much of a sense of humour, no, but there is nothing humourous about that. I'm not saying that it offends me or makes me feel awful in some way (though it is quite tasteless), I'm saying that there's nothing clever or amusing about it.

>Rape
>Funny ever

I'm literally shaking with rage user

>Rape
>Funny never

I'm literally shaking with mirth user

Well, the moment wasn't supposed to be funny. It was supposed to be a "wow why does he think this is okay" moment.

Sure, if by "They've clarified" you mean "EU writers took it literally rather than Han being a liar"

Any subject can be made funny
There are volumes of jokes about prison rape.
Lighten up and live longer, or don't.

>Because it's funny, user
But this wasn't.
Don't confuse being tasteless with being funny.

Specifically, the entire "kessel run" is literred with black holes, and gravity can yank you out of hyperspace. Black holes being giant gravity machines, seriously fucks up travel. By disabling safety features, you can get closer, and by extreme calculation, even beyond the normal amount done by the nav computer, you can cut down on time/distance. Han probably did it mostly by feel, and likely dropped out more than would be optimal to "see" where he was.

look user

the seriousness of the topic has very little to do with humor that can potentially be derived from it

There are all manner of jokes wherein the comedy comes from an immensely horrifying power, like murder, racism, so on, and so forth.

>I met a girl in the park. Immediately, there were sparks between us. As we made love, I thought to myself, 'damn, this taser was a good investment'.

The comedy comes from the bait and switch, and the shock. The rape itself does not generate the humor, it is merely the vessel. Some people simply are too close to an issue, have too many painful associations, and so the joke cannot be funny to them because it is linked to pain. Which I get, but hey, I don't stop people from making short jokes or bipolar jokes or hoarding jokes or PTSD jokes. They're funny if well structured, even if they carry extra sting for me because of my own personal associations.

I'm sorry but this post may have high wisdom, but it has far too much intelligence to be on thread topic.
Good effort though.

Sam Vimes. He's not really low INT, but he definitely has higher WIS.

Also arguably Rincewind, who's something of a dolt and is profoundly unlucky but manages to get out of scraps constantly using common sense. His curse (and sort of Vimes' as well) is that he's a person with decent sense who lives on a disc being carried through space by 4 elephants and a turtle.

Also maybe Death? Not so much unintelligent there as much as naïve.

And Carrot, too, now that I think about it.

And obviously Nanny Ogg. Weatherwax is uneducated but smart, so she doesn't qualify.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say one of the best things about Pratchett was his ability to make uneducated and unintelligent people good, sensible characters without being patronizing.

God, I miss him.

Luna has low CHA, her INT is basically normal and her WIS is through the roof.
She's a creative, abstract thinker, and observant to the point that people think she's crazy. They just can't see what she sees, but she does a poor job of communicating what she's seeing, partly because she doesn't know, nobody knows, or it's unknowable, but mostly because she's not so great at communicating it.
INT is mostly what you know, how fast you learn.
WIS affects your ability to work around what you don't or can't know.
CHA can determine your ability to teach or convince others
a combination of the three will make a person seem "smart"
at least that's how I see it

INT = "Could I?" = knowledge.
WIS = "Should I?" = decision-making.

Any detective or shrewd businessman has high WIS, no matter his INT score.

While high INT affects your overall pool of decisions (what you can do), it doesn't affect the optimal decision which can be judged to be so only via high WIS (what you should do).

But user.
Clown rape.

Agreed user.
You could also make the argument that Wizards are characteristically High Int low Wis, while Witches are characteristically High Wis Low Int, and despite the fact that they're often doing basically the same kinds of magic this dichotomy characterizes how they go about their spells. Witches and Wizards can both do the same scrying spell but a witch will do it with a pen knife, half her lunch, the nearest flat surface and a dead rat, while the Wizards will do it over the course of five hours using esoteric components collected from around the world because that's just the way it's done.
Also, Leonard de Quirm is the quintessential High Int Low Wis character, since the man literally invents WMDs because he believes whole heartedly that no-one would ever use them and thus would bring about world peace.

The fact that clown rape is a /nonzero possibility/ in the states right now.

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Any sports commentator.

Right stat, wrong class.

He's not a Bard, but a Paladin.

I would put him at catastrophically low levels of intelligence and charisma, standard wisdom, and occasionally he just gets a great roll out of nowhere.

I forget the exact quote, but in Small Gods they say something similar to "Being "Simple" is not the same thing as being dumb." when describing Brutha.
Who is very low int, but arguably very high wis.

maybe that's just because most people are active during the day.

It makes perfect sense for Han to make up an obvious lie. All scam artists do this to weed out everyone but the dumbest and weakest before trying to make money off of them to waste as little time as possible on people who would eventually be able to see through the hoax.

>You are aware she's in the House for brainy people right?

>Ravenclaw
>house of brainy people

Fell for the meme, did you. It's the house of weirdos and obsessive nerds.

It genuinely is, it's known for their quirkiness and curiousity rather than their straight knowedge.

how does he have high wis?

>inb4 "A lot of what he says is actually geniuse if you think about it"

It really isn't, it's FUNNY, and it's often internally consistent, but it's not insightful in any way that jellyfish should be made water.

Darius

samwise gangee

Pterry used that description a lot, really. Pretty sure he described carrot with almost the exact same phrase.

I seem to remember some variation on "Simple doesn't mean dull. A blade is simple."

Luna has a very high WIS, arguably higher than her INT.

>Methods of Rationality is a well written

kek

get the fuck out of here Yuddy

Yeah, it's fun and interesting and all, but I wouldn't call it well written. Structurally, it's a mess.

Obi-Wan's reaction to it makes it clear he knew Han was spinning some bullshit, but he also knew they didn't have a choice.

Bloody EU missing the point again

It just has so much cringe in the early chapters too, man. The most hated on excerpt, but quite deservedly so:

"You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That's not just an arbitrary rule, it's implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling! And cats are COMPLICATED! A human mind can't just visualise a whole cat's anatomy and, and all the cat biochemistry, and what about the neurology? How can you go on thinking using a cat-sized brain?"

that's amazing