Space wolves BTFO

>Primarch thread

Black Libary and the people who do this shit were a mistake

Why could we just say the emperors sons did shit but noooooo we gotta expand on 30k

There hasnt been a good BL book in ages the last good one I read was Xeno Hunters and that was just fucking short stories

Oh my god

The plot is moving

ITS A FAMILY REUNION OF THE MILLENNIA BROTHER VS BROTHER ITS THE SHOWDOWN OF THE AGES

IT ALL TAKES PLACE ON CADIA MAKE SURE TO BUY YOUR TICKETS NOW

>Black Libary and the people who do this shit were a mistake
Black Library was/is a mistake, however this is pure GW skub this time around.

Do you think he is pissed at Tzeentch for all that happened?

>Magnus wins and steals the power of fenris
This needs to be better explained. What is the power of Fenris? Is it their belief in their gods? If so then how was it stolen? Why was this power being stored? Why are there no scans?

Undoubtedly, but I'm pretty sure Tzeench owns his Soul now so I don't think there's much he can do about it.

You know all the hot air about Fenris being Magic, and the Wolf Priests not drawing from the Warp but instead magic from Fenris?

It's all true. The world itself is one big magical realm, and Magnus steals it so he can drain Fenris dead and bring Sortiarius to realspace.

>especially getting your ass beat by Abbadon because ADP gets a hard on
Magnus was still all sharded at that point, and it wasn't Abaddon it was the mary-sue khayon who 'bested' him.

DON'T ADVANCE THE PLOT OF A SETTING

JUST WRITE MORE SHIT LIKE CAIN, GAUNT'S, OR EISENHORN

WRITE STORIES IN A SETTING, DON'T HAVE THE SETTING BE A STORY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

That was my first thought, too.

Fuck you I enjoy this, and I'm happy it's happening and what you like isn't happening.

Agreed 100%

A setting is not a story. Autistic fucks that get caught up on 'advancing the time line' just end up shitting the bed with stuff like Age of Sigmar.

Post source mate because that still doesn't explain everything.

>The world itself is one big magical realm,
This still relates to the warp as draining it allows Magnus to bring Sortiarius into real-space.

Belief shapes the warp so if all Magnus did is corrupt that then it still makes sense.

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have we actually got source for this? considering the book isn't out for another week yet?

He still got banished and laughed at by Khorne before it was all over though

Blood god still the best

>You know all the hot air about Fenris being Magic, and the Wolf Priests not drawing from the Warp but instead magic from Fenris?
>It's all true
I can't believe people still inironically look forward to GW fluff when GW's current writers are certifiably retarded.

It's gotten so bad company wide I suspect even the next Imperial Armour will be shit

>The world itself is one big magical realm
>plannet of Furries
>magical realm

Intentional or not user, that made me chuckle.

>The world itself is one big magical realm,
>This still relates to the warp as draining it allows Magnus to bring Sortiarius into real-space.

Actually it has nothing to do with power or the warp, it just means it's a place full of people with bestiality fetishes.

How much focus does Tzeench need to keep him at bay, with how powerful Magnus is would it be possible for him to get his soul back?

The only people who still buy from GW are the mentally handicapped living off their parentally supplied stash of NEETbucks. It's only natural a company panders to its buyers

H doesn't have an option at this point. Armageddon he was on an even footing and he still almost lost.

Now his home system is fucked, the population of Fenris is decimated and his chapter face excommunication.

Impossible. Tzeentch doesn't just own his soul, it's a part of Tzeentch. He is simply an extension of Tzeentch now whether or not he realizes. That's what being a daemon is.

Nah mate your just making shit up now. Youre offering no evidence for your claims and they make no sense.

Pretty good bait though.

Other important point, remeber how in a Thousand sons he said he could have destroyed the space wolf fleet of he wanted to? Well that's exactly what happens this time. Magnus won this campaign so hard it isn't even funny. Furries truly and utterly BTFO

Fenris only lost 10% of its population? That's not too bad.

Mixed feelings about this.
On one hand, the setting seems to be advancing and that only portends terrible things. GW is way to incompetent right now to be trusted to do anything like that, nevermind that it's a setting not a story.

On the other hand. The yiffs dying is pretty fucking hilarious

0/10.

Damn shame, I'd love to see him break free and forge his own psyker empire.

Every person who was exposed to the daemons in any way was executed by the inquisition. Logan agreed to this.

You forget the Tzeentch is the most schizo of the Gods.

He literally schemes against himself.

Is the Inquisition so murderhappy because they want to keep daemons a secret or are they afraid of taint?

He shouldn't have sold his soul to the devil then. I don't care that he didn't know what the Chaos gods were at the time. What fucking culture doesn't have a story of hubris and the Faustian bargain going horribly awry? That's like basic shamanism tier narrative. Magnus was dumb as a bag of rocks from the start. He reads books. He should know damn well what he was getting into just on common sense alone.

Both. If people know about daemons, they will inevitably become tainted just by thinking about them. Your average person just doesn't have the strength of will to not be corrupted.

Not saying he didn't make mistakes I would just like to see him at least try to make up for them.

Because they have to be. Go look up what happened after Logan let the survivors of Armageddon escape.

Yes, but anything he does is still Tzeentch doing at this point. If he breaks off and forms of a splinter group, it's still Tzeentch just punching himself and he could stop at any time if he really wanted. Ahriman is kinda in the same boat, but not quite. He still has the presence of mind to not become a literal psychic extension of the Dark God.

The Volscani are the best example. They were allowed to live after fighting daemons and then sold their souls to chaos and massacred the Cadian High Command

Oh no arguement against that, he fucked up hard. It's just that, him being one of the most human Primarchs and his life both before and after Heresy has been a series of unfortunate events, it would be nice to see him give the middle finger to the manifestation of Fate itself and try to redeem himself.

I'm pretty sure it's 1/10.

Redemption is good, but it doesn't really mean much if no one actually gets punished at some point. Magnus reportedly fucked up the absolute hardest of anyone in the whole setting, he got what he deserved. Ahriman is a better story of redemption, because he's fucked up on a much smaller scale and isn't literally a dead man.

The inquisition is like chemo therapy.
>Drink this poison and we'll hope the cancer dies before you do.

Except the cancer is immortal on grows stronger from your suffering.

>The dark Angels get exposed by the changeling.
The what?

>Go look up what happened after Logan let the survivors of Armageddon escape.
I can't find it. What DID happen?

The plot and setting need to change a little bit every now and then, otherwise every story ends up being "status quo: the wargame: the novel"
Now that those fat furry fucks are at Cadia, what will they do now?
Now that Sortiarius is in realspace, how long before Magnus starts his own empire, with knowledge and hookers?
Will Emps finally fart another warp storm up?

>Magnus reportedly fucked up the absolute hardest of anyone in the whole setting, he got what he deserved.
Sure he did.

The Emperor is a rotting corpse and his golden empire is a metaphorically rotting corpse. He also got his. That said, Magnus played an enormous and almost entirely independent part in the Emperor's downfall. There are arguments to be made about the Big E not telling him or trusting him with enough, but it all boiled down to Magnus's tragic hubris. It's sad and unfortunate, but sometimes things have sad and unfortunate endings.

This is bullshit, we see demons everywhere in 40k - even basic guardsmen are and can be exposed to them. They're constantly fighting chaos whether it be traitor legions, renegades, insurgencies etc.

Even then, how do you explain places like Cadia? The Imperial population must know about chaos, at least like we know heaven and hell. Otherwise this is lore that is contradicted constantly, or is kept secret from inner, inner core worlds that don't have to deal with war.

This secret is cracked open the moment a guardsmen fighting chaos goes "yeah bro, demons n sheeeeit" while on tour on another planet.

GW needs to establish if chaos is treated as a grave threat to the Imperium - something it's populas is aware of, or is completely in the dark and any who encounter them are mind wiped/killed.

Basic guardsmen are exterminated after fighting demons. The Inquisiton knows it's too dangerous for that knowledge to get out.

What about for Cadia, are they given special treatment, I mean they don't have the time to tell anyone and will die before any heresy happens.

I thought it was generally stated that those guardsmen are generally executed unless they already have a long history of fighting Chaos.

People like the Cadians all know about Chaos and the Inquisition trusts them with that knowledge, but if one of them went to your average hive world like Necromunda and started telling people the Inqusition would come down hard and none of the people there would have any idea what he's talking about. Chaos is fairy stories for your average citizen at most, literally unheard of for a great many.

>How do you explain Cadia
Eisenhorn does:
>This is Cadia, you silly fool! Cadia! Right on the doorway of Chaos! Right in the heart of everything! The seepage of evil is so great, I have a hundred active cults to subdue every month! This place breeds recidivists like a pond breeds scum. This is Cadia! This is the Gate of the Eye! This is where the bloody work of the Inquisition is done!"
If Cadia wasn't so strategically crucial it would have been exterminatusd 10000 years ago

But chaos warbands summon strange shit all the time and are using all kinds of demonic magic.

denying chaos exists seems like a very old piece of lore, because the extent of chaos shit these days is wide spread, they're the bread and butter of the setting and always posed fighting space marines.

>but it all boiled down to Magnus's tragic hubris.
Yes and I never want that to change.

I just don't accept people saying he 'deserved' it. Youre missing the point of the tragedy if you simplify it like that.

>People like the Cadians all know about Chaos and the Inquisition trusts them with that knowledge,
That's fucking dumb. There are literally millions of Cadians deployed around the Imperium, and the Inquisition trusts literally all of them to keep their mouths shut? That's either bullshit or Cadians are the specialist snowflakes in the setting.

They are literally trained from birth to be soldiers, the brain washing for them is probably strong as hell.

There are two levels of it, same with us.

Most people know about the Betrayals in general, but probably see the Demons as allegories for co-conspirators. They probably think that people who were 'corrupted' were just convinced to fight for the other side.

When you meet an actual 40K demon on the battlefield, even if you win, it's too late. You know it exists, it did things that should not be done, and probably has access to lost technology. It's probably branded in meme weaponry, where even trying to just recall what it looks like imprints in your mind how to summon it. This is the part the Inquisition doesn't want.

>They are literally trained from birth to be soldiers
That can be said for so many armies in this setting, it means nothing.

Like pretty much all such details, this varies from writer to writer and book to book. Sometimes you have chaos mutants on every street corner, sometimes there is only subtle internal corruption. Whatever the story needs.

I thought that "Brain-washed Mr. Roboto" was the Kriegers whole stichk while the Cadians were the "G.I. Joe Bland Band". Or was that changed at some point?

Cadians have been raised from birth to defend the Cadian Gate since at least fifth edition.

>People like the Cadians all know about Chaos and the Inquisition trusts them with that knowledge
no they don't

Cadians that go up against full out daemonic incursions get """retired""" unless there are special circumstances that require an excess of veteran fighting troops. And even then, they'll go for a mind-scrubbing if they have the time and resources available because holy shit that is just a time bomb waiting to explode.

People way high up on the totem pole can get away with knowing about that shit despite the risk because their knowledge is irreplaceable, but regular grunts are expendable and get treated as such.

How does it not, for Guardsmen that is not the norm, Cadians don't have a normal life and are very far from the norm, much like the Death Korps.

Not saying they are entirely brainwashed but the whole chaos thing needs to be kept under wraps somehow.

>the mary-sue khan
Holy fuck he really is. His wiki article is hilarious. and reads like a bad fanfic character.

>During the Great Crusade Khayon served with the 548th Expeditionary Fleet. He was nearly killed in battle while bringing a world named Varayah to Imperial Compliance, when his Drop Pod was shot down.

Khayon was also present at the Battle of Prospero, where he defeated a Space Wolves warrior Eyarik Born-of-Fire, and acquired his Power Axe, Saern, that would serve him well in the centuries to come. Being gravely injured in his fight with Eyarik, Khayon once again survived near-death experience when a Fenrisian Wolf came close to tearing him apart. He was saved, however, by his familiar Gyre, which possessed the wolf, obliterating it and assuming its shape permanently. Khayon was not taken by Magnus the Red to Sortiarius, and wandered the surface of Prospero until he was found by Lheorvine Ukris of the World Eaters.

Khayon later made his way to Sortiarius and stood against Ahriman as he was trying to cast his eponymous Rubric of Ahriman. Khayon failed to interrupt the spell, and the Rubric was cast nonetheless. He departed from Sortiarius on the warship Tlaloc with his brother Ashur-Kai Qezremah and the newly-turned Rubricae Mekhari and Djedhor. Together they formed the core of the Ka'Sherhan warband.

Khayon was present at the Siege of Terra, and bears grave resentment towards the Emperor's Children for their flight from battle and leaving the Thousand Sons without reinforcements.

>Hamfisted into all important TS battles
Check.

>Special snowflake circumstance during all important TS events
Check.

>Special demon familiar otherwise known as plot device
Check.

>Is super powerful (despite not being important in the legion) and goes against the wishes of the Legion and Magnus
Check.

I wonder if this fuckers eyes change colour lmao.

>he mary-sue khayon
Fucking auto correct. I even copy pasted that ffs.

So the wolves are kill?
Fuck, fuck, fuck. Fuck you GW. Not the wolves.
Fuck you.
At least give them back Russ then.

Well there's rumors that russ and the other surviving primarchs will return, and Logan is contacted by russ at one point in the story

Talon of Horus book? I vaguely recall it setting the record for "how special is YOUR character?" in WH40K.

Holy shit, when I reached the part where Abby made all the Daemon primarchs tap out and say uncle, I almost puked ... but was a little glad inside. I never liked primarchs ... or space marines.

Did Ragnar Blackmane stab Magnus in the eye again?

>The dark Angels get exposed by the changeling.
What go exposed? The existence of the Fallen or something darker?
Any chance that they are going to turn to chaos?

No, this time he stabbed him in the ass with frostfang to distract him from killing another wolflord. He almost gets killed but lukas goes all jackalwolf and saves him with an epic troll which leaves Lukas's current status unknown.

If we go by some of the earlier fluff, "His chapter face excommunication and the population of Fenris decimation" was something Logan was VERY willing to accept over Armageddon. Like, the Inquisition was straight-up knocking on Fenris' door with a fleet and about to launch a crusade against it with Logan still going "Fuck you I'll drag you down with me".

Then again the fluff re: Armageddon and whatnot changes with every new story so...

How many characters were killed off?

Got proof?

>this whole thread

Khayon could be Ygethmor or Zaraphiston. So he there before.

war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1416

war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1418

Same guy has posted pictures of the book on Dakka and B&C.

You too.

The Plot moves...

Ehh if the story can be done well (and there's one or two writers at BL that can write well) than I am fine with more story development; show needs to move on at some point.

ive been busy the past few days, what the fuck happened?

magnus won, space furries blown the FUCK out.

>yfw Magnus is Trump

decimation means reduction to one tenth.

>decimation means reduction to one tenth
No it doesn't, it means removal of a tenth.

I'll just be over here coping with the knowledge that GW is actually fucking advancing the story.

I mean, it isn't even tragedy if they truly deserve what happens. It can be the result of their actions, but no what they deserve. Did Othello deserve what happened? No. Was it still his part? It was as much as what happened to Magnus was.

No, it means removal of a tenth.

It's 10% more than magnus has accomplished in any other operation.

So it does. At least in the roman understanding. The meaning has changed over the millennia to mean grievous losses at this point.