Veeky Forums board discussion

I've been wondering something.

Assume a strategic Game, not like Risk, but a proper strategy game run in the same way as a Quest.

Assume this would be a parallel and adversarial game, where you'd want to have two different decision making populations.

What I'm saying is:
/qst/ -vs- Veeky Forums strateg boogaloo,

would that be allowed ,to have the relevant threads of one conflict side on /qst/, and the other side on Veeky Forums, provided that on the Veeky Forums side of the thread there is
> Worldbuilding
> Ruleswriting / System Creation
on Veeky Forumss side of the game?

Would this be allowed?

I'm going to do this with Kingdom Death.

Settlement Competition and ends with a blood orgy where both settlement survivors fight.

Or something.

to addon, I even contemplated doing it 3 way split, but I'm not sure I'd like /pol/ or /k/ on the other side of this game (for one), but mostly I don't think it'd be feasible to run what would basically be three concurring quests which interact with each other

>to do this with Kingdom Death.
>Settlement Competition and ends with a blood orgy where both settlement survivors fight.
>Or something.
lovely idea, I really like it.

Wanna share any details about the technical side of things?
What do you exactly wanna do?
What's your plan?
What's the timetable?

Nope, because you are not allowed to have fun.

>don't delete my shit
>delete other things just because I don't like them
>protect me from opinions I don't like.

It sounds like the Floors game that's (currently) allowed on Veeky Forums. Seems like our mod only has a hateboner for quests, so you might be okay.

I guess, I'm about to sleep though.

Not much to it you just run two settlements, one on each board. Have the board make important decisions or vote.
One thread per hunt.
Probably more just due to the fuck off huge amount of shit nature of KD.

I'd probably just take pictures with my phone at 3mb or some shit to fuck over mobile users and speed shit up and only use my comp when replying to gorillion posts at once.

The survivor fight just no survival allowed final destination who knows.

Probably have to pitch it to /qst/ but I'm not a idiot namefag and it'd be hard to run as user.

namefagging is, honestly, what's putting me of /qst/ as well.
Being one who is regularly travelling and regularly restricted to GPRS, I really detest your choice for 3MB pictures! :D

Sounds like a good plan.

# Mine will be to make alternating threads, one day on /qst/, one day on Veeky Forums, progressing the joint timeline of both, them leapfrogging over each other.
# Intime intervalls will be as large chronologically as can be allowed for, i.e.; if the tow boards' Factions ingame are within 3 days travel distance of each other in important regards, they'll only be leapfrogging about 3 days each,
# if realistic travel and action distance is 3 weeks, the chronological intervall will be 3 weeks each.

threads would be distributed as this:

> /qst/ on tuesdays and thursdays
> /qst/ will have control of their faction and that's it

> Veeky Forums threads on Wednesdays regularly,
> second thread either monday, friday, sat or sunday, date as to be determined
> Veeky Forums will control it's own faction
> Veeky Forums will do worldbuilding and stuffs in it's threads
> Veeky Forums will talk about mechanical side of things

> Rules System will be a lighter variant of the dark eye
> logistics, money, trade etc will be present
> loyalty, allegiance and politicking will be most important
> warfare rather abstract

in Worldbuilding, Veeky Forums will be able to populate less densely populated areas of the gameboard/region. this will be unproblematic, as attitudes of lesser and newly created NPCfactions will be determined randomly, larger NPCfactions have these determined by their background

ya, that's about my vision :)

of course, the player factions will be enemies by default, while they might be able to ally for short term ,the system will not accomodate for the tow boards being allies ( as the Idea is for them to be adversarial to each other ).

This is a very cool idea

Just popped in to say that you're doing a great job, mods, and I hope you'll keep it up.

Last thread was a great example of why metathreads should never be allowed. Dramawhores can git gone to /soc/.

Post yfw quests are still no longer allowed on Veeky Forums.

...

ya know, I'm the dude above who want's to actually do the dual-parallel quests described three posts above you,

but I'm in agreement. Quests as they were actually did clog up this board.

HOWEVER

Veeky Forums still isn't great (again),
I'd even argue, Veeky Forums was better in "elf slave wat do" and dragonporn days. Most discussion is stale, creativity is diverted.

Veeky Forums was best when ALL the things related to traditional gaming were discussed, when creative cross pollination from Veeky Forums and /v/ and Veeky Forums and /h/ and /d/ etc were all at a high.

the way it is now, Veeky Forums just isn't as good as it could be, I feel like it isnt producing nearly as much creatively original content as it used to do "back in the day"

Questthreads on Veeky Forums were a symptom ( of an otherwise growing stale and empty board ),
Questthreads were not themselves the Cancer.

This entire site creates less content than in the past.

I think we just got demographically older of a board. Four years ago I used to participate in story times but now I work 14 hours a day (except sunday which is my one game night) and come home and just go 'fuck it, I'll skim a thread, watch my youtube subs, and go to sleep.'

Its harder to be creative or to share that creativity or stories of game night when you're tired.

So, you want to take the argumentative force that is Veeky Forums, and have it discuss itself?

That's like finding the most cynical person you can find, giving them a plastic jug full of the shittiest kind of vodka, and telling them to drink until they they turn to self-loathing.

Meta discussion doesn't work unless everyone is willing to be nice, sit down, and weigh all the decisions equally.

Though if we're going at it like this, can we make a request for a weekend Smut thread that comes on Saturday, and Janitors Sage by Sunday Night?

Anime quests clogged up the board because moot decided all quests belonged on Veeky Forums, and they're what really soured a lot of people on quests in general ("Panty Sniffing Quest #84518257").

The average number of non-anime quests was about the same as the number of 40k threads.

Fuck off nigger

>This entire site creates less content than in the past
See, I feel the same way, however I'm not sure it's just the rose coloured goggles of nostalgia

>I think we just got demographically older of a board. Four years ago I used to participate in story times but now I work 14 hours a day (except sunday which is my one game night) and come home and just go 'fuck it, I'll skim a thread, watch my youtube subs, and go to sleep.'
>Its harder to be creative or to share that creativity or stories of game night when you're tired.
And this was status quo for me eve 6 years ago. I remember working from 6 in the morning to 6 in the evening, coming back to Veeky Forums, and then wasting basically the entire night. As with voidquest for example: I'd get into the voidquest thread after work, participate until like 2 in the morning, get to sleep, and the next morning I'd get up and catch up while on the shitter, went to work and posted some stuff while in the tram, and then continued participating whenever I had a break basically.

Nowadays, I don't see quests of that quality. And I think mostly it's got to do with an inflationary influx of not-good questmasters. (as an example for deteriorating quality in regards to quests and a counterpoint re:activity)

If discussion were higher quality, content were better, it'd be a motor for activity. Instead, creativity is spread about:
> Wanna Game of thrones general with some shitposting? go to /tv/
> wanna look at Veeky Forums vidya? go to /v/
> wanna read a quest? Go to /qst/
> wanna talk medieval weapons? /k/
> wanna talk Veeky Forums literature? go to Veeky Forums

Now, the last point ( Veeky Forums ) is important. We had a literature thread here a couple of days ago, and it was brilliant, because we were discussing phantastic literature - from the point of view of a neckbeard, with neckbeards.

the way Veeky Forums has grown and the way boards have been added since 2006 (when I joined), has had this detrimental effect all across the board.

yeah, that's probably it, as I described here , anime quests should be on /a/, and RISK should be allowed on every board. Limit it to one thread each,

the approach of segregating and compartementalizing eeeeeeverything however hurts all boards in essence.

>there were fifty quests up at all times back when they were allowed!
>never post proof

No board on Veeky Forums is great when taken as a whole.

The simple fact is that OC Anime Waifu Quest # 928928 and Derivative Seasonal Anime Quest # 37376 were content written at a middle school level that had nothing to do with Veeky Forums and attracted exactly the wrong kind of poster to this board.

And, for the record, I browse /a/ frequently. I like anime, but Veeky Forums is not the board for anime FFRP. Pushing those to another board was for the best. Stuff like that and the endless ERP general from some time back bring in people more interested in wanking or cringeworthy fix fiction than discussing actual Veeky Forums content.

I don't think that specific claim requires truth,
most people know it to be an exxageration, but true in essence

>I don't think that specific claim requires truth,
requires *proof
is what I wanted to write

Underrated post.

kill yourself, my man.

OnTheWrongWebsite.person

>it's a redditor thinks he's among fellow cucks episode

It kind of sucks now.
I can't think of a period of Veeky Forums history with lowerpost quality thannow,other than maybe nazimod days.

It's pretty terrible, tbqh.

I notice that eversince people acting like things being "cringeworthy" was a major deal, quality dropped sharply everywhere.
I think the cringefags are an import from tumblr or something, not realizing how Veeky Forums games themselves are some of the most "cringeworthy" things out there.

Can't we let quests go finally? They are gone and /qst/ is here to fucking stay. Veeky Forums didn't implode and /qst/ even has fucking features to accomodate quests.

Quests themselves were never the issue, the problem was that every second questfag thought he was hot enough shit to run his own quest. They were fine as an occasional thing, like Ruby Quest or Lego Quest. Hell, Lego Quest especially, because there was a lot more effort involved in that than in most other quests.
And then questfags killed a good thing by overdoing it.

Threads running games are and always will be fine because they run GAMES. With actual rules and shit. I don't play them, but at least there seems to be some actual effort in there to make it a game.

Other barely related shit like CYOAs, towergirls shit and other stuff is probably only allowed to bottomfeed here because it sticks to one thread.

There were usually 10 to 15 quests at most. However, that's still an appreciable fraction of the whole, especially when the writing of so many of them would embarrass the average tween self-insert fanfic writer.

But user, most people when pressed cut the number down to 15 tops.

...

Nah, quests won't belet go.
They were running games with rules, and it is pretty obvious they belonged on Veeky Forums. Even outsiders like moit knew that.

Them being removed was the result of people crying for literally ten years, and the new manager caving. I expect literal decades of unhappiness over the quest transfer given how many native Veeky Forums posters loved 'em.

as I said:
> 50 questthreads!!!!1111oneeleven
is an obvious exxageration, but even
> 15 Questthreads
is still a lot, it was alot, and it was bad,
and the argumet of "there was too many shitty questthreads" stands, as this guy explains.

> >50482006
>>This entire site creates less content than in the past
>See, I feel the same way, however I'm not sure it's just the rose coloured goggles of

See, I haven't been coming to this board that long, almost 2 years, but even I feel like Veeky Forums has gone down hill. I don't know, when I first started coming here it felt like there was always something new and exciting, but now it just feels all the same. And I get that quests were filling the board and needed to be dealt with, but I don't get the "Fuck ya!" attitude people have about it, since it feels like they just got replaced with more shit posting. The board actually feels kinda worse since they left, since at least Quests felt like they were creative. I'm not saying I think quests should come back or anything, but I do think we need to actually do more with the space they cleared. The other day there were 3 simultaneously running "stat me" threads.

Complainers in this thread generally don't know how to define problems so that they can be analysed efficiently and draw out people's opinions in a functional way.

What is the actual problem anyway? I scan the catalog and a dozen threads, people are discussing games.

I repeat, what exactly do you think is the problem?

You should hang out on /toy/

quests in Veeky Forums, are like WWE wrestling in /sp/.

I'm glad they're gone.

The fuck ya attitude comes from the fact that the majority of anti-quest folk throughout the board's history were self admitted trolls. And now they are reaping their eight year whine harvest.

What happened to the Winter Ball threads?

People that don't play games don't know what to do with this board anymore. They want this to be their "make shit up" board.

Look, Quests aren't the issue we need to be dealing with here. What's done is done, and nothing is going to change that. If we really wanted to get them back, some of us would try and contact the mods over IRC, but we don't. Instead we get all passive-aggressive on here.

What we should be working on is finding good content to displace the shitposts on the board. I've been discussing with various writers, artists, and homebrewers and encouraging them to post their work, and various groups to start getting shit done, and encourage the overall board to be more civil. It's seemed to work so far.
/pfg/ has been trying to kick the faggot who keeps posting kitsune bait, we've got a Love and Krieg in the works, and Night Shift may finally become playable.

this
there are very few cases where increased moderation is a good thing for anything

Don't forget how they have been breaking board rules and getting banned for over five years!

wrestling should go with the plays on
wait where the fuck do stage shows go

Even that is not really a problem. There are mechanisms in place to deal with detrimental posting on their part resulting from that situation; if they were here for something that was removed there is a place for them to go that contains said thing; and a limited amount of their presence felt here isn't some kind of absolute evil anyway.

Are complaining as someone who DOES play games and their plight is offensive to your sight, or someone who doesn't play games who feels lost and disenfranchised? What actual outcomes stemming from your described situation do you find undesirable? What makes them undesirable?

I don't know about you but I enjoyed every hour of my bans for posting in quest threads and telling them to get out.

Did you finally have a chance to go outside?

A big problem I notice with this board is that actually playing games are taboo. Storytimes are viewed as cringey, and if you have the gall to play a game on the board itself, it will be removed.
It seems people on this board want it to be as far removed from actually playing games as is possible.

He ban evaded too quickly to go outside.

/sp/ is the one board generals are necessary, because otherwise it's impossible to find shit in the metric ton of divegrass threads.

You post reminded me of something that was posted in Veeky Forums yesterday that made pretty good sense, so I'm reposting it here (edited for my understanding):

>For future reference, you need to do more than name a thing and imply that it is good or bad to consider it criticism:
> 1. Identify the overall work you are criticizing, or the context of the issue.
> 2. Describe and name the element of the overall work that you want to ascribe value to.
> 3. Specify the nature of the value you are assigning to said element
> 4. Explain which specific mechanisms or attributes of said element cause that element to be desirable or undesirable.
> 5. Describe the outcomes caused by those mechanisms or attributes, and connect them to the basic principles by which the people you are communicating with can agree that the outcome is desirable or undesirable.

This boils down to:
- ground your criticism in some sort of context;
- use specific and exclusive names for the things you discuss;
- explain HOW and WHY, not just WHAT;
- and explicitly tie your argument together with an underlying principle or principles that people can readily grasp and evaluate.

>you can read comics on /co/
>you can fap on /hc/
>but you can't play RPGs on the RPG board

Imagine if the mods said that /co/ was only for DISCUSSION of comics, rather than reading or creating comics.

I just want shitposting to go, but at the same time I know I'm on fucking Veeky Forums, so it'll never go away.
Other than that, people seem to long for some mystical antediluvian time, when Veeky Forums was a content creation machine churning out amazing stories, systems and art on a daily basis. Even though that was never really the case and nowadays we at least get threads for more stuff than just system wars and 40k.

Quality control is important.

A lot of Veeky Forums "content" is extremely cringeworthy and calling it out is important.

I'm not complaining, don't mistake me for someone that wants quests back. I haven't even played traditional games in a long time due to personal reasons and started to browse other boards more because of this. This is just how it goes and I will not try to forcefully change this board into something that makes me browse it more.

They might. Newmoot cares not for what is and is not related to the board.
He inly seems to care about shitposters.

I think you mean all Veeky Forums content.
Nothing here is cringeless.

You're right, I can't imagine why anybody but a troll would dislike the proliferation of poorly-written quests which allowed questers to self-insert into the FOTM seasonal anime.

Why do you people keep talking about quests when they've got their separate board?

>tfw we won

Also loving the irony of a questfag telling someone to get outside more.

This is false.

Anything else I can let pass by, but not this.

Veeky Forums has made good content, and I will fight you tooth and nail on this.

Ruby Quest is near the top. So is quite a bit of the more memorable 40k writing, in its own way. What about Noh? Or Kobold Camp? Mother fucking Chapter Master.

Don't say we never made anything good to try and make up for the fact that we don't now, or you don't now. I'm working on several different projects with other board members that I firmly believe in, none of them bad at least as a premise.

The only people who seem to have disliked them are people who shitpost repeatedly until banned and chereypick to start arguments.
As a neutral non-quest party, it is pretty obvious the vast majority of anti-quest sentiment was trolls.

Don't particularly like quests, just dislike people who are negative for the sake of being negative more

Literally all the good content you described is called cringey by modern Veeky Forums posters.
And they're not wrong.
It's just we can enjoy things that are cringey.

user, I suppose you don't remember the site-wide poll in which roughly 50% of voters wanted a separate quest board.

All trolls, eh?

But of course you're a "neutral" party despite these ridiculous claims. You're right, nobody would ever dislike crappy self-insert fanfiction in the thinly veiled guise of roleplay.

Questfags actually seem universally more busy than antiquestfags.

It is possible to enjoy something cringeworthy but well-done (see: the incredibly rare actually competently written HFY).

If you enjoy cringeworthy content that's poorly executed on top of being cringeworthy to begin with, well...

>Don't particularly like quests,

I remember several polls, many of which turned out pro-quest.

And it's not hard to be neutral and recognize antiquestfags are mostly trolls. Even in this thread, most of their posts are about how much they enjoy the salt, or even that they are glad they shitpisted and got banned.

Really, the op and all antiquest posters should be permabanned, but it would never stick since they all ban evade.

If questers were turning quest threads into places to talk about their lives, that's yet another point in favor of their ejection from Veeky Forums.

>Everyone who hates ban evading shitposters is a questfag
Jee, nobody would hate the gus who celibrate how much they shitpost and get banned. No sir. People love it when people break board rules constantly and without end for years and ignore all mod rulings.

funny thing, in the last 24 hours I have seen the creation of 3 fully formed ttrpgs, 1 of which I contributed to significantly. stories that made me laugh out loud and remember similar good times from my own past. and 1 or 2 pieces of drawfaggotry that were worth using as character art. 2 out of 3 in a random single day ain't bad, right? and I wasn't out looking for it like I was checking off a list or something, I just spent time in threads I liked.

it's not like anyone is able to deep dive and really absorb every thread on the board every day, right? most of us just don't have the time. plus the line between what we like and what we respect as quality is naturally blurred as fuck, so it makes us biased as fuck as rational agents for determining the real state of posts on the board.

I dunno man, I feel like each person could improve their experience of the board by focusing on things they control directly, ie. themselves. I get that "be the change you want to see" is cheesy as hell but goddamn it actually works. you contribute to things you like, draw like-minded people together and introduce a creative energy that others can grow and transform and get all kinds of things done.

You can be busy every second of the day and still accomplish nothing of value. For example, /pfg/ has been organizing their little roll20 game for weeks now, but it's always discussion about how to make the most fetish-bait character they can think of.

Questfags wouldn't have been nearly as obnoxious if they'd just fucking fap before opening their browser. So much of the shit was animu-inspired "lewd" garbage, and it'a funny how the pro-quest crowd isn't doing anything to deny this. They're just trying to alter history and convince people "anti-questers" were a minority and that the threads were always small in number; both blatant lies.

>crappy self-insert fanfiction in the thinly veiled guise of roleplay.
While I agree that this describes more than half of quests that were up at the time, I personally think that there were definitely a decent number of quests, civ and evo games that fit the bill of playing an actual game and produced decent content.

Also, you have to realize that not every neutral party took tabs on that vote and likely don't have all the information, it doesn't make them not a neutral party.

Hey, you have to schedule around work and shit to actually play games, user.
Not all of us can be unemployed.

Then you fucking Normies can GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEE

>Disliking shit posters means you're a questfag

you're delusional

all of that is fucking unreadable cringe

>Trying to revisionist history this hard
Im not even a questfag and I know you are bullshitting.
Antiquestfags are obnoxious to everyone because they can't go one conversation without lying ir shitpisting.

Is arguing from the premise just a hobby, or something you do professionally?

I agree that some quests were well-done stories structured like an actual game, with a heaping of original content to boot.

For those quests, /qst/ will do just fine, and offers them added functionality.

For the 90% of quests that were poorly written, quasi-FFRP fapfiction garbage, Veeky Forums is well rid of them.

>Chapter Master is "fucking unreadable cringe"
Just curious, do you have any idea what Chapter Master is?

The thing /qst/ is missing is "an audience who likes to play RPGs", which is why they were so popular on the RPG board.

>Antiquestfags are obnoxious to everyone because they can't go one conversation without lying ir shitpisting.

Calling someone a liar without proof is very bad.

Please prove, with evidence, where the lies are.

I'll wait. If you can't, retract your allegations.

Not him, but would you care to rebut the charge that a significant minority of quests revolved around inserting an OC into /a/ content?

Please move CYOAs, jump chain, Risk, etc to /qst/ now.