Imperium Asunder

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KASHALN EDITION.

What's his homeworld like guys?

Was he a rising star sorta warlord on there, or was he taken in by a ruler and eventually fill his shoes?

Was he fighting mostly against other humans or was there some other threat present?

Kashaln should be around. He might be able to give us some insight.

I'd been imagining something dry and hilly, with fertile river valleys and forests. The sort of climate that lends itself to city states and the occasional steppe Empire that manages to bind river valley to river valley.
I'm imagining a very stereotypical Indo-European feel to it. Where Anshul has all the Indian stuff to happen post Vedas-- Upanishads, Shiva, Brahma and the like, Kashaln is more Indo-Aryan, Vedic/Gathas. He'd be more about Aryaman and Indra and Ares.

I also like the idea of borrowing from Sub-Saharan north Africa, like the Mande society organized around the Sunjata epic. Non-Bantu stuff never gets enough love. Would mean that there would be two special classes, the jeliu, which would be story tellers and sorcerors and the traore? Smiths and sorcerors.

On the subject of everyone's favorite evil space Buddhists, how about a cult of the Varja from Space Tibet. They'd have a thing for lightning that dispels ignorance, but paradoxically have an intense interest in those who unknowingly serve chaos and those who resist.

They'd have gotten their start as an exchange with the Sky Serpents.
They weild warp lightning and thought constructs. Blades of pure thought, paradox lances, etc. But also things akin to the Abomination Engines of the Behemoth Guard. They ride demonic versions of wind horses.

Sorry for interrupting the topic at hand, but I was thinking about writing a story about Idrias Stern and I was wondering what timeline you'd like to see: Crusade Era, Heresy Era, or M41 Era.

heresy pls

Also did you get the reference I put in his blurb on the wiki?

41st Millennium.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the intent to go through a systematically have the primarch stuff posted - worked on - and move to the wiki.

If thats correct we shouldnt skip anyone or they will be left behind. Even if we think they are "mostly finished"

I don't read the wiki

Storm Hammers will soon have all the fluff I wrote up on the wiki. Can't say for sure about the other things people invented for them.

Rolled 1 (1d2)

Storm Hammer culture now has an entry on the wiki as well as sample names, or at least their real-world origin, which are primarily Norse, Norman, Briton, Gaul and Medieval french names.

I agree with all of this, though it might be worth asking Kahalnanon when he next appears.

I was on board until
>space Tibet
After that it was just more of the same.

I think the Space Tibet stuff is about the Arms of Asura, not the Spears.

>On the subject of everyone's favorite evil space Buddhists, how about a cult of the Varja from Space Tibet. They'd have a thing for lightning that dispels ignorance, but paradoxically have an intense interest in those who unknowingly serve chaos and those who resist.
Personally I'm cool with whatever, as their original creator made them a decentralized force. That and chaos worship+various eastern religions is bound to create an eclectic mess of mix-and-match beliefs...which also suits well the nature of chaos, including their belief that paradox is an inherent and crucial part of Chaos and the Warp.

Yeah I know, its just nothing new to add, more lightning, more seeing through deception, more 'picked it up from the serpents/serpents picked it up from x'

Just not new.

Okay, so Kashaln's homeworld, [INSERT NAME] is an arid, hilly planet run through with long, fertile river valleys and dotted with thick, high-canopied forests.

It's primarily populated by various warring city-states that cling to the waterfronts.

Is Kashaln a 'rising star' type figure in his homeworld's history, advancing through the rank and file of some warlord's warriors until he stands at the top spot? Is he taken in by one of the warlords early on his life and raised as a prince, eventually having to defeat his 'brothers' for the warlord's seat? What's his childhood like?

That's legit. Mostly I was bringing it up as a potential force to have fighting the Serpents.

I imagine he would be. Probably brought to a local warrior chief and ends up leading the warband before expanding aggressively and pulling a Cyrus the Great.

>dispels ignorance, but paradoxically have an intense interest in those who unknowingly serve chaos and those who resist.
How is that a paradox?

I imagine but the time he is 10 he would be physically superior to just about everyone, so I think it makes more sense for him to be found early on in the ranks, then taken out and adopted by someone who wants to use him to further their own agenda.

At first he serves them, until he figures out that he is infact the power, and takes control for himself.

Those with the strength and charisma to rule do so, as is their rights. Those without the strength, serve, as is their place.

It's not, really, but it's a sharp contrast between the study of chaos in its pure form and observing those who attempt to thwart chaos and serve it by denying it.

What do you guys think about the name "Divgharan" for the planet?

Pronounced (div-gar-ran)?
I like it.

Emphasis on the first and third syllables, yes.

Bump for the night.

stop doing this sarco-sama

nou

yus

So the Silver Spears are all about being the best at a certain skill, and they use teamwork to make sure that this doesn't bite them in the ass.
Could that translate to close knit squadrons back on their homeworld? Like the standard five-man team is normal operating procedure?

lifetime squadmates could be cool

I think its more macro than that.

Like you dont have a guy who focuses on swords in the same squad as the guy who focuses on flaming and the guy who focuses on bolters.

You have entire squads of bolter only, entire squads of flamers only, squads of swords only.

It only comes together on larger engagements.

But yeah I like the idea of life-time squad mates.

Interesting; I can see that being something Kashaln cooked up after he took over the Legion as a way to get his kinsmen and the Terran Legionnaires to work together and ensure that no one aspect of the Legion could ever become a threat to him - they all need to work together so there's no point in infighting.

>>Imperial Record
>>Ordo Malcador
>>ca. 784.M30

The skies of the Alban hives were black, as were the stone and iron used to build them. Plumes of black smoke churned out of cold iron chimneys. The hivers, however, were bone white. After conquering the caucasus wastes and subduing the europan warlords, the Emperor sent Malcador across the doggerland to bring the Alban hives to heel.

Malcador came with a cadre of Thunder Warriors, who already were showing signs of genetic decay and madness. Their brutality in Europa and on other fronts was growing, and Malcador knew that soon they would be retired for the greater Astartes warriors and eventually the Custodes.

Tha Alban hives stood on great peaks above the doggerland and pan-pacific lowlands. The hives were highly fortified, with guardsmen and anti-air towers keeping watch over their manufactorums and deep feral mines.

The thunter warriors made many attempts at assaulting Alba, but still the fortress hives held resolute. Eventually, Malcador sent messengers under parlay, and to his surprise they were accepted.

Malcador and his escorts ere brought to the great chamber at the capital of the Alba hives. It stood at the peak of the tallest hives of the Tem. At the edges of the chamber stood dozens of men in gothic coats and high hats, members of the Alban hive's ruling body. They called themselves the Overseers. At the center of the chamber was an empty throne.

Malcador aproched the throne as though it were occupied, addressing the assembly. He told them of the unification of the planet under one Emperor, and of the lost colonies of the stars. Many of the Overseers argued, but they did not always argue aloud. Instead, they sometimes passed printed papers to each other, carried by pages and servitors. They would surroptoutsly whisper in groups, and scheme during "recesses." in the end they came to an agreement to serve the Emperor, under a unified Terran monarchy. The Alban hives agreed to join the Emperor in subduing the pan-pacific empire and eventually the whole of Terra.

At the end of the proceedings, Malcador approached one of the parliamentary pages. It was a boy of no older than ten years, or so he seemed. The boy bowed, and Malcador spoke to him. "I saw you during the proceedings, boy. My eyes see much. When messages went between rivaling groups, it was often you who carried the scroll. When men were whispering in circles, you were always close enough to hear. How many scrolls did you manage to copy? How many did you change? How many did you not deliver at all? I saw, boy. Tell me, what is your name?"

The boy had pale white skin, dusted with the soot which coated all of Alba. His eyes were a glimmering orange, a single spark of color among an otherwise grey boy. The boy spoke in quick whispers, "Names have power, Malcador. Sigilite. You call me boy, so I am that." The boy had an uncannily long body, as though he had been stretched. He wore only simple clothes, clean and practical, but good enough to be worn in the presence of the Overseers. "I know the names of every Overseer," said the boy, "and so I have power over them. I know who they are. I know what they want. I know what they do." The boy looked at the door the Overseers had left through with disdain. "They cannot say the same of me."

Malcador furrowed his brow at the boy, "I know your name, boy, even if you will not give it to me. I know you better than you know yourself. You are one of twenty sons of the Emperor, stolen from birth though not so far as we had thought. " The Sigilite turned away from the boy, as though he were adressing the chamber again, though it was only them. "The thunder warriors are unstable, their gene was not meant to last. They will conquer Terra but no more. They were promised the future, and will conquer Terra for that future, but they will conquer no further. The stars bristle with human life, boy, and humanity does not kneel easily."

The boy moved to sit on the throne at the center of the chamber. He did so quietly, behind Malcador, and the sigilite did not see or hear him do it. Sitting upon the throne, the boy spoke. The hall''s acoustics spread from that very point, and his voice filled the whole of the chamber and echoed down the halls to be heard by all the Overseers. "Who will conquer my father's empire then, Sigilite?"

Malcador turned to face the boy, looking him sqarely in the eye. He spoke by psychic means, his lips not moving, "They are not the future, REDACTED , you are."

Good stuff.

Also, I've edited Balthasar's backstory with what was discussed in the previous thread. Does everyone agree with this?

pastebin.com/rHq33Af2

Yep, good to go

Then I'll update the wiki when I get home. I kind of want this level of backstory for all 20 of them, including REDACTED, if it were up to me. We should only move on to the next primarch when we have everything written up for the one we're doing now, otherwise this will all be kinda pointless. We're losing a lot of great stuff by being disorganized and neglecting the wiki.

I agree. 1 down 19 to go.

Noice.

Shall we give his adoptive warlord dad a name?

Should he be in the process of warring over Divgharan when the Emperor finds him, or have brought pretty much the entire planet under his heel?

How does he interact with the Emperor when he arrives?

So we're doing Kashaln next?

I believe we've already started.

Seconded.

Mitra
Varun
Bharata
Khyrus
Padisha
Zarath Astram
Virasena
Ksatriyam
Zurvan
Aurangzeb
Mitradad
Jayapur

Hmm, this gives me an idea for a character. Got to check some PIE reconstructions...

Fair enough. I do wanna wait until Kashaln himself is around. Seems kinda vital.
Fuck posting on my phone by the way. I keep getting banned for Ban Evasion. Waiting for it to be fixed sucks.

He's posted a suggestion for a homeworld name and not much else, which leads me to believe that he has no problem with this stuff.

I would expect him to have the most knowledge of his primarch's origin though. If he shares that, we can work from there.
It's just very unfortunately that it's nowhere on the wiki.

Updating the Bloodhounds' page now.

Just so everyone knows, that not!protoss faction is still up on the wiki for some reason.

Khyrus and Aurangzeb are the best imo.

Okay so, Kashaln is taken in by one of these warring city states. He grows dramatically quickly under the watch of one of Khyrus/Aurangzeb's wives, and the warlord is soon teaching him to fight. He gets stronger by the day, and Khyrus/Aurangzeb intends on controlling him by pretending to be his flesh and blood father, but Kashaln can tell from how the warlord's wives act around him that none of them is his mother.

He conquers many other city-states at his 'father's' side, and, later, when the man is growing older, in his name. Eventually an old and guilty Khyrus/Aurangzeb tells him the truth, and Kashaln reveals that he had known for some time, but deemed his 'father' a worthy lord - he provided for his warriors and enshrined them upon the common masses, gave them wars to fight and spoils to claim, and lead well while he still had breath in him. Kashaln may have never thought of him as a father, but he respected him as a lord. Khyrus/Aurangzeb, still feeling guilty by the deception, greatly moved by his son's revelation, and finding a little religion on his deathbed, proclaims Kashaln a truer heir than any of his biological sons. The result is that many of Kashaln's 'brothers' rally against him, splitting apart his father and tutor's realm, and he leads a long war to stabilize and expand the realms Khyrus/Aurangzeb and he had carved out. It during this period that the Imperium arrives.

How does that sound? Do we want the Emperor to come for him, or do we want first contact to be via another Primarch?

Kill it.

While we're on the subject of the wiki, do we have a category page?

I want the first alien he meets to be Anders, if that is possible.

Initiate Exterminatus.

I'm not sure how to delete pages and I'm on mobile so I'm not logged in anyways.

I don't see why not.

Anders and some of his legion could arrive to bring the world into the Imperium with offerings of peace and penicillin and other cool shit. He starts negotiating goodwill between city states and setting up a unified world government based on truth, justice, and the Cydonian Way.

Eventually, Kashaln stands in the way, and Anders realizes this is one of his brothers. He offers to make peace between all of Kyrus/Aurangzeb's sons and Kashaln is like "No, I don't want to make peace with them, I want to grind them beneath my heel for the sin of standing against me. I was charged with keeping my father's house in order after his death, and I will keep order my way."

So Anders is like "It doesn't have to be like that, my way involves less death and suffering."

And Kashaln is like "I don't care."

I imagine Anders sends the Emprah a "wat do?" message, and Emps either turns up personally or sends another son to help bring Kashaln to Terra. Either way, it could be the start of a particular rivalry if Anders is left to restructure Kashaln's homeworld, and he turns it into a progressive, democratic society where the warrior class serves the people.

>and he turns it into a progressive, democratic society where the warrior class serves the people.

That's a nice shot in the balls. I say we do it. Also, it should be the Emperor just so he can serve as a reasonable middle point between the two primarch extremes.

"You are made of gold. That is a valuable commodity. I feel my servile instincts kicking in."

Would you say he'd return later to pull apart Anders' demoracy and return Divgharan to its roots or that he'd just move to another planet for recruitment?

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We could go two interesting ways with Divgharan being restructured by Anders, by the way.

1. 'Cydonian' democracy, which I imagine a lot like Athenian democracy, doesn't work for it A psyker cult blooms from one of the old regimes and puts the world in peril, and Kashaln and maybe someone else has to come and kill half the world's inhabitants. This strengthens Kashaln's resolve in his point of view and nurses his hate for Anders.

2. Cydonian democracy works perfectly, Divgharan is a utopian paradise by the time Kashaln returns. This stokes his hate for Anders EVEN HARDER.

If in doubt hate Anders EVEN HARDER

>"I knew wearing my Bling Suit today was a good idea. Fucking Amon thought he knew better, but look how that turned out. I should hold a meeting next while I'm on a roll. A long meeting."

I'd like for the world to be in the middle of the process of changing when Kashaln comes back. That way he and Anders can tear the culture in two, allowing [REDACTED] or maybe Alexios to step in.

I think it's better for REDACTED to interfere. That would lay the foundation for their relationship. I also think that if Alexios were to step in the entire situation would escalate tremendously between him and Anders, which would in turn distract from this being Kashaln's origin. Plus, Anders can't keep getting screwed over, he needs the occassional (slight) win.

>Anders can't keep getting screwed over

You're just not trying hard enough.

>Anders can't keep getting screwed over
Then why are we even here

I kind of expected that reponse when I posted that, lol. Thing is that, for Anders to be a proper character, he needs the occassional win. Personally, I don't want any primarch to just be a joke.

That's cool. I like the idea of a Primarch homeworld being in a perpetual state of cold war because another Primarch rested his huge golden nads on it for a while.

Some manage just fine with not actually doing much for the setting as a whole. See: Engerand.

[REDACTED] works better.

When we were going through Anders' backstory, one of the points was that Alexios tried to fuck his home system, and he beat the elder Primarch into the dirt for it, promising that if Alexios ever got his nazi on in front of him again he'd finish the job.

Which is great foreshadowing for when Anders DOES run Alexios through, but it means their interactions have to be limited in the Great Crusade.

Yeah, but Engerand doesn't spend his entire career getting screwed over by his brothers and getting rediculed for his beliefs. Anders is kind of an odd man out, but he has to have his glorious moments.

I agree with this.

Anders beats Kashaln in a duel and teams up with Phoenix Lords iirc. That's pretty great.

Engerand wins a Crusade and declares another. He's also the military head of the loyalist forces for the first 2-3 Crusades. And he becomes King Arthur, perpetually threatening to return from Avalon to beat everyone up.

That said, his exploits post-Heresy are much more well fleshed out than pre-Heresy.

Nice.

Much yes.

I can get behind this, yes.

So how about Anders is hard at work when Kashaln gets back.
When they call for dad to settle things his response is "Anders, didn't you have a crusade to lead? Only boys who conquer get to do Civics projects."
Problem is that it's the Heir who delivers the message and he's a dick about it.

Alexios wants to get into a pissing contest and gets involved.

>That said, his exploits post-Heresy are much more well fleshed out than pre-Heresy.
He was found rather late into the Crusade so it seems like he didn't actually do much during that era and only became more powerful/influential once the Imperium broke up.

He is only elected supreme commander for the 1st crusade. (unless something changed when I was away, in which case disregard)

STILL seeing Anders as Superman.

>Kashaln: "I was bred to be a warrior, Kor. Trained my entire life to master my senses. Where did you train? ON A FARM?"
>Anders: "Yes, but I'm not a farmer. I'm a quarterback.[/spoilers] Played college ball, you know."
>Kashaln: "At some cushy Ivy League school."
>Anders: "TRY UNIVERSITY OF CYDONIA."
RUGBY TACKLE
>"Kashaln: "Bgdhfdhshhs that's illegal, that's not a football mo-ffgsgaaaaugghhbb!"

I love how this starts at one reference, but that reference isn't strong enough to keep the post to itself, so it eventually gets consumed by some kind of alpha-reference.

kek

By the way, how about Anders using a jump pack? That would allow him to do the superhero landing and everything.

YES

I imagine [Redacted]'s initial verdict is the planet should stay however it works best in the Imperium.

Kashaln argues that he can't get proper warriors off this peaceful lalaland. Anders argues there are much more valuable exports coming off the planet now. Kashaln objects that this is his home. Anders goes "Hey, do you remember what you said when I offered you a bloodless way to resolve everything? I recall it was something like 'I don't care'." Kashaln is like YOU MOTHERFUCKER this place is MINE.

At this point season 2 of King of the Hill is sort of slowing down and [Redacted] peers up at them over his teevee, and tells them both this is fucking pointless, just build a wall or something, you both get half the planet. Now go do the Great Crusade you fucking mongs. Goddamn this shit wouldn't ever happen if Malcador or maybe I was in charge.

Yes!!

Seems legit and it's also nice how Anders construes Kashaln not caring about bloodshed as not caring about the world and the society.

>TFW you have a whole new primarch backstory to read when you wake up

Spoonfeed me on Kashaln boiz

I'd be interested to see a Primarch-as-superhero story. Granted it would probably look more like Miracleman than Superman.

I think there's still a few things left to hash out.

Like, who teaches Kashaln how to Imperium? I know Emps generally delegates that task to senior Primarchs.

Exactly that, lead by Malcador obviously.

Alexios? I think maybe "how-to-imperium"ing new primarchs is one of his major jobs

I think its kind of reducing options to have the "how to Imperium" lessons all taken by the same Primarch.

Besides the fact he seems like a poor choice of mentor.

I think he might be a good choice, youre right though - not for all new primarchs, but I think for many if not most.

Primarchs that would just ignore him, I think he would struggle to deal with, being so quiet. So maybe they get palmed off to others or something.

I think Alexios would be the default choice, though he might end up handing dudes like Kashaln off on someone else when they become too irritating.

In one of the early threads there was a prompt about how a Primarch would respond to confrontation or issues with one of their brothers / subordinates.

IIRC Alexios' response was to remain silent, and remove himself from the room/situation. Which is not what I would think makes for a great teacher for arrogant/determined primarchs.

It does sound pretty hilarious though.

>Alexios: "Things are done this way."
>Kashaln: "Why?"
>Alexios: "Because that's how we do this."
>Kashaln: "But that's stupid, THIS way would be better."
>Alexios: "No, it would not, I know better as I have been serving our father better. Now listen."
>Kashaln: "But that's not a reason at all. My way is definitely better, I can tell via logic."
Alexios quietly puts aside his quill, stands up, combs his hands through his hair, and leaves the room.
>Kashaln: "Is... is that it? Did I pass? Guys?"

I can imagine Alexios doing that, haha.

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So does anyone else think Anders and his Legion *should* abide by the concepts in a superhero origin story but twisted to fit 40k? I mean, if Konrad Kurze/Night Haunter was Grimdark Batman-Punisher then perhaps Anders can be made into Grimdark Superman.

>adopted
>grew up pretty normally on a forge world
>wise old father killed for being a heretek, despite only trying to help people
He's pretty much halfway there already.

[spoiler' Because that's how I wrote him.

Kashaln underwent VERY few changes in mindset from his warrior-prince days to his primarch ones. Whoever taught him (and I guess it might have been Malcador) would basically have been talking to a brick wall right up until the point where they got to battle tactics, troop dispositions, and equipment.

Oh shit

Is that Kashaln done then, or do we need more?

Dunno, gotta admit I haven't particularly kept up. I was really busy. Point is that we shouldn't move on until it's written out as well as Balthasar's origin.

What should definitely be in there:
>Description of the homeworld
>Arrival of the primarch
>Events that shape him
>General awesome primarch stuff
>Arrival of the Emperor
>Imperial compliance